AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Strangeworld]

Alot of these new headlines are a bit misleading and click-baity. When you read the articles, am I correct that they are saying they have a DNA profile on a glove and the GLOVE is what is visually similar to what the person at Nancy's front door was wearing. Not that they have matched DNA on the glove to DNA at Nancy's house.

The headlines make it sound like they have matched DNA to this person.

Am I correct?

 

[Cristofori406]

Good question. I'll take a stab at answering it. MOO only. If matched to a known individual, they would locate that individual and question him. They would also match him to any DNA they may have recovered from NG's house. Now, if the DNA on the glove so happens to match any DNA found at the house, they might arrest him. If the DNA doesn't match anyone in the CODIS database or any DNA that the FBI has collected so far, we are back to square one.

They’ll hope to find NG’s DNA, too, to know if this is a real lead.

 

[RedHaus]

I am stuck on LE's early assessment that the blood splatter on the front porch was possibly aspirated.

"Blood aspiration, which is based on an intact breathing activity, is one of the forensically most important vital reactions."* So, this implies some sort of trauma with the inhalation of blood, such as a severe nose bleed or thoracic injury to lungs. Especially if NG was on blood thinning / anti clotting medications, as I suspect given heart conditions we're told she has. She'd bleed very easily.

But I also wonder if the splatter was post mortem, limiting the bleed event, and occurred as she was being removed from her house. Could / did (without notifying the public) LE determine if the NG porch blood splatter was post mortem?

*https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073804006310
IMO.

 

[aamillaa]

I've been thinking about the gloves. The gloves shown in the video are so thick, ie., multiple layers of gloves IMO, that it would be IMO impossible to remove a glove without using your teeth to help peel it off. Your other hand would be layered also, so could not be used to remove the other glove. Here's to hoping that the driver of the vehicle took off his outer layer of glove by using his teeth, then threw it out of the window. DNA

Good thinking!

That would align with some of the discussion on here about the Lantana man - seems to have prepared based on what he thought he needed vs actual experience/common sense. MOO

 

[Kapua]

Another misleading headline!!!

That's why it's important to read below the headline, always. MOO

 

[blackmagicx]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on why they’re even telling the public about the gloves?

In my opinion the recent investigative paths are unlikely to yield success, but they're going public in the hope it forces a mistake.

The helicopter with the bluetooth scanner might scare the suspect to move NG.

If there's multiple people involved in the kidnapping, you only need 1 weak link. Did one of the suspects throw the gloves out the window/do they all trust each other that these aren't any of their gloves? Maybe one of them is panicked enough to confess for a deal or flee and be caught... Just my opinion.

Also it's somewhat better PR for the investigation than saying they've done nothing for the day.

 

[Cristofori406]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on why they’re even telling the public about the gloves? Maybe they’re pretty sure of a suspect and purposefully putting pressure on them? Public pressure for results? It just seems senseless to tell any of this to the media at this stage.

What am I missing?

They may simply want to give the impression that they’re making progress, bc it’s not really clear they’ve made any…

 

[tbgo]

RSBM
Morbid alert.

Unless that occurred post mortem, then there'd be less blood. But I doubt a perp would consider removing NG's pacemaker post mortem at NG's home. That would take an incredible amount of foresight, personal knowledge of NG, and medical knowledge.

That said, did LE, as OPs have posited, announce the pacemaker tracker effort to flush a perp out of hiding to remove the device?

I would more so guess that they’re looking for a body, not a pacemaker that’s been removed. Unfortunately, and this is morbid too but the reality, very little may remain if she was deceased and left out in the desert. If she’s no longer alive, I doubt someone kept her in their home. Chances are they went out into the desert given the location. It’s like perps who live near a wooded area. They’re always searched. These areas are vast. It’s so hard to find someone and murderers know it. This is another reason I find it hard to believe this was the first murder the person committed if it wasn’t personal (someone close to Nancy who spent months planning it out). The perp may be connected to other (unsolved) crimes. I’m sure they’re looking at similar crimes in the area or close to it. As AB just said, who has a balaclava in Arizona? Maybe a skier who travels but generally speaking, this was someone who purchased specific items to commit this particular crime and/or others. It’s not something someone has in their closet who lives in Arizona. It’s hot. It points to a career criminal or a crime which is personal in nature. It’s not impossible that the person travels and has winter clothes but there’s a good chance they purchased items to commit this type of crime.

 

[New Penny]

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Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully this leads to the perp, or they can see if it connects to one of the individuals from Friday

I am sure LE would be able to recognize there own gloves, it is just incredible to think LE were just discarding there gloves when they didn't need them anymore

Aren’t that what pockets are for?

MOO

 

[MollyHarps]

I will be shocked if the glove has anything to do with the case.

I can’t see whoever did this dumping a glove within miles of the scene.

Surely they’d burn it? Or dump it in a water source.

 

[WizPro]

My opinion:
Finding a glove in the desert with DNA on it, not very interesting.
Finding a glove in the desert similar to the one in the video, worthy of testing, but a long shot.
Finding DNA is male, still a long shot.
However, good fodder for headlines.

 

[Fargo]

This is the most obtuse click-bait headline.

How does it MATCH the person "seen"? The DNA does not match anything, they are saying there is DNA on a glove that "LOOKS" like the generic disposable black gloves seen in the Nest footage. That's it. That's what the article (and others) are currently saying.

I think entertainment and tabloid sites do that deliberately for clicks. People jump on it thinking a perpetrator has been identified and come flooding in. The site of course has plausible deniability. IMO

 

[Kapua]

Alot of these new headlines are a bit misleading and click-baity. When you read the articles, am I correct that they are saying they have a DNA profile on a glove and the GLOVE is what is visually similar to what the person at Nancy's front door was wearing. Not that they have matched DNA on the glove to DNA at Nancy's house.

The headlines make it sound like they have matched DNA to this person.

Am I correct?

Correct. But all headlines are click bait.

 

[K.jill]

The dna from the glove can not be entered into CODIS right away but can it be compared to the dna samples the lab has already right away? The samples from family and house staff.

 

[rebel123]

If you’re referring to the backpack then it appeared as if it already had something packed in it. It could have been another bag if this was a robbery or far more sinister things.

However, a simple break-in and robbery is unlikely turn into a kidnapping. Even if she had been killed in the process, it’s unlikely the body would have been removed in that scenario.

I don’t currently believe this was a kidnapping for ransom but doubt it started out as a simple burglary either. Given the guy wasn’t even equipped to quickly deal with a doorbell camera then it’s hard telling how well thought out any of it was as well.

But that is exactly it, the person decides to rob the property, he makes his entrance, has his little 'flashlight', Nancy is a sleep. He continues looking around at what he could steal. As well as looking at things, he looks at 'photos', he recognises Savannah Guthrie; ah 'bingo', more then just objects to steal. I won't speculate on what happened next.

 

[submarine7]

In my opinion the recent investigative paths are unlikely to yield success, but they're going public in the hope it forces a mistake.

The helicopter with the bluetooth scanner might scare the suspect to move NG.

If there's multiple people involved in the kidnapping, you only need 1 weak link. Did one of the suspects throw the gloves out the window/do they all trust each other that these aren't any of their gloves? Maybe one of them is panicked enough to confess for a deal or flee and be caught... Just my opinion.

Also it's somewhat better PR for the investigation than saying they've done nothing for the day.

My guess is the helicopter equipped with the sniffer is searching the desert and probably much less in town? I was thinking of it as more a recovery technique but what do I know?

 

[shonyakay]

Alot of these new headlines are a bit misleading and click-baity. When you read the articles, am I correct that they are saying they have a DNA profile on a glove and the GLOVE is what is visually similar to what the person at Nancy's front door was wearing. Not that they have matched DNA on the glove to DNA at Nancy's house.

The headlines make it sound like they have matched DNA to this person.

Am I correct?

They could have saved everyone the confusion by simply saying the gloves appear to "visually" match the gloves of the suspect.
Sheesh

 

[HoveringWombats]

Apologies if doubled

A question I have is , we have one of those ring doorbell cameras and I realised the other day ( when we lost it ) it needs a special screwdriver to remove and charge it
Surely he didn’t just rip it off ?

The doorbell was a Nest, not a Ring. It has a "tool" to remove it, but it's basically just a metal stick that you push into a hole to release it. Many other things will work, and I'm also sure that you can remove it without any tool with some force. It's not screwed in.

One source for it being a Nest: Investigators wrangled video from Nancy Guthrie’s Google Nest camera out of ‘backend systems’
Nest doorbell tool: Amazon.com

 

[maskedwoman]

This shocks me. It should not take this long or be this difficult. They need to build a relationships with tech.

Later on they said that the "emails" were actually submitted through tip forms to the tv stations. I don't know what would be involved in tracing something like that. Definitely outside my wheelhouse.

What we know about the ransom notes in the Nancy Guthrie case

Both TMZ and KOLD representatives said wording in the messages suggests the sender has familiarity with the Tucson area.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Stunned]

Could this have been a home invasion that went bad so they tried to turn it into a missing person without even realizing who she was?