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Jonny Grusing worked in the FBI’s Denver Division for 25 years, investigating violent crimes, missing persons, serial killers and more. He coordinated the behavior analysis unit for the division for 13 of those years.

Grusing said he believes the FBI is likely behind Savannah Guthrie’s messaging. Since Nancy Guthrie went messing, several related videos have been posted to the TV anchor’s Instagram page. She personally delivered messages in three of them: the first directed towards a suspect in what Grusing described as an attempt to humanize her mom, the second, a plea to bystanders to come forward with information, and Sunday night’s video.

Grusing does not believe the suspect in the Nancy Guthrie case is a sophisticated criminal, and believes that Savannah Guthrie’s Sunday message was coached by FBI profilers with that in mind to try to get the suspect to turn himself in.

“I think he got in way over his head with whatever happened with Nancy, and they’re hoping that he is panicking enough since his family and friends haven’t turned him in,” said Grusing. “They’re appealing to him directly, like, ‘Look, guy, this is not going away, you just need to summon up the courage in any humanity you have left and do it.’”

Drawing on his decades of experience, Grusing noted the signs of the suspect’s amateurishness. The suspect, who was already masked, kept turning his head away from the doorbell camera, and even attempted to obscure the camera’s view with brush pulled from a front garden.

“If you look at him and the awkwardness of this guy walking up there, this guy is not a professional,” Grusing said. “So I don’t think whatever happened in the house is what he intended to happen. What I would say is that he didn’t plan for this sort of news coverage, for this sort of intense searching, for the FBI to come in and for this to be going on two weeks later.”

He also told Fox News Digital that no matter how long the investigation takes, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff’s Department are committed to seeing through, and that it’s only a matter of time before the suspect is taken into custody.

“He’s going to be arrested. At one point, he’s going to get turned in, something’s going to break. So the SWAT team is going to come through his door, and I think that’s what they’re saying. Even if it’s not [an appeal to] his humanity, he needs to get the courage to turn himself in and be proactive with this.”
 
  • #32,582
How could Savannah and her team know what movie quotes were meaningful to a stranger/kidnapper?
I don't know, but it bugs me, I do hope there is some smart strategy to it. jmo
 
  • #32,583
I wonder if the reason LE thinks the person is local is because NG recognized and man and he decided that she would turn him in if he left without her. Why else would you take a barely mobile older person with you?
BBM. Ran$$$$$$om, and to hide evidence

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #32,584
1.5 miles away is in the area IMHO .. that is just a slight walk I walk one mile every day in my mall ... it's not a long walk at all.
I have not seen any closer than 5 miles away (link below). Which was 1.5 mile away? Obviously that would be close, same neighborhood even, depending on the direction. Jmo

 
  • #32,585
In the Adelson case, LE employed the "tickling the wire" technique when the guy approached DA on the street and passed off the note about his family member needing more payment for the murder (my words) and DA went home and called CA who called KM who called SG etc. It put all the conspirators together in order of how things were carried out. I think they are tickling the wire here.
Absolutely agree.
 
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Jason Pack, a former FBI special agent and crisis negotiator, spoke with the Daily Mail about the use of "celebrate" in Savannah's speech and what the one-word phrase means in the context of negotiations and ransoms. "The word 'celebrate' stood out to me immediately. Savannah didn't say 'surrender her' or 'give her back.' She said return her so we can 'celebrate'. That's the language of resolution, not confrontation. In any negotiation, you want to offer the other party a way to see this ending positively and peacefully for them too," Pack explained. It comes after an expert revealed a chilling truth that the kidnapper is "known to the family."
 
  • #32,587
Jonny Grusing worked in the FBI’s Denver Division for 25 years, investigating violent crimes, missing persons, serial killers and more. He coordinated the behavior analysis unit for the division for 13 of those years.

Grusing said he believes the FBI is likely behind Savannah Guthrie’s messaging. Since Nancy Guthrie went messing, several related videos have been posted to the TV anchor’s Instagram page. She personally delivered messages in three of them: the first directed towards a suspect in what Grusing described as an attempt to humanize her mom, the second, a plea to bystanders to come forward with information, and Sunday night’s video.

Grusing does not believe the suspect in the Nancy Guthrie case is a sophisticated criminal, and believes that Savannah Guthrie’s Sunday message was coached by FBI profilers with that in mind to try to get the suspect to turn himself in.

“I think he got in way over his head with whatever happened with Nancy, and they’re hoping that he is panicking enough since his family and friends haven’t turned him in,” said Grusing. “They’re appealing to him directly, like, ‘Look, guy, this is not going away, you just need to summon up the courage in any humanity you have left and do it.’”

Drawing on his decades of experience, Grusing noted the signs of the suspect’s amateurishness. The suspect, who was already masked, kept turning his head away from the doorbell camera, and even attempted to obscure the camera’s view with brush pulled from a front garden.

“If you look at him and the awkwardness of this guy walking up there, this guy is not a professional,” Grusing said. “So I don’t think whatever happened in the house is what he intended to happen. What I would say is that he didn’t plan for this sort of news coverage, for this sort of intense searching, for the FBI to come in and for this to be going on two weeks later.”

He also told Fox News Digital that no matter how long the investigation takes, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff’s Department are committed to seeing through, and that it’s only a matter of time before the suspect is taken into custody.

“He’s going to be arrested. At one point, he’s going to get turned in, something’s going to break. So the SWAT team is going to come through his door, and I think that’s what they’re saying. Even if it’s not [an appeal to] his humanity, he needs to get the courage to turn himself in and be proactive with this.”
IMO, the guy in the video is nothing more than the stooge. The master Perp is sitting at his computer while watching Harvey Levin talk about him on T.V. I'm sure he enjoys that a great deal.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #32,588
Probably bugged the home as well.
DOUBTFUL. The fourth amendment protects against unreasonable search and seizures. A hidden listening device is considered a search and your home has the highest level of privacy protection. Your need a court warrant for starters. JMO
 
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Colby L from OTHRAM will join us tonight at 10:30 PM Eastern on Websleuths YouTube Live.
He will explain what type of testing will be needed if they don't have a match in CODIS.
Join us tonight. CLICK HERE if you have trouble watching it on the video below
 
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DBM
 
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SG, .SEND THE MONEY..This cloak and dagger, Instagram, click bait, video strategy is losing it's luster and credibility. MONEY TALKS. You still don't know who the perp is and what you are dealing with. Your stalker might be well barricaded and dug in. IF the ransom writer has info, take the gamble for your mom's life. JMO
Exactly. I don’t want to judge. But please just send the money.
 
  • #32,592
I can’t even imagine being pissed that the police are looking for a missing woman. WTH is wrong with people?
But if you're innocent and inconvenienced and had nothing to do with it I can understand that. Put yourself in their shoes.
 
  • #32,593
Former FBI profiler thinks guy is clearly an amateur and in over his head.

Grusing does not believe the suspect in the Nancy Guthrie case is a sophisticated criminal, and believes that Savannah Guthrie's Sunday message was coached by FBI profilers with that in mind to try to get the suspect to turn himself in.

"I think he got in way over his head with whatever happened with Nancy, and they're hoping that he is panicking enough since his family and friends haven't turned him in," said Grusing. "They're appealing to him directly, like, ‘Look, guy, this is not going away, you just need to summon up the courage in any humanity you have left and do it.’"

Drawing on his decades of experience, Grusing noted the signs of the suspect's amateurishness. The suspect, who was already masked, kept turning his head away from the doorbell camera, and even attempted to obscure the camera's view with brush pulled from a front garden.


 
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1.5 miles away is in the area IMHO .. that is just a slight walk I walk one mile every day in my mall ... it's not a long walk at all.

2 miles in between neighborhoods in Tucson can make a huuuge difference. You can live in a $2M home and 2.5mi away is a bus stop where people are nodding out. It’s a weird place here 😌
 
  • #32,595
My friend's still on the job have a saying about upscale neighborhoods : "It's where the bad guys shop."

Working class neighborhoods get more of the petty stuff, tweakers grabbing tools to pawn for a fix, and high crime neighborhoods, well usually only trap houses or someone who comes into a stack of cash gets hit.

Upscale neighborhoods with elderly populations (jewelry, cash) in secluded, wooded, spaced out estate style living is prime shopping ground. And workers and cleaning ladies are sometimes contacts for a tip after casing a house.
Upscale neighborhoods are often in primary shopping grounds for criminals. "Where bad guys shop" is a great phrase and describes these neighborhoods well.

Often more cars than fit in a garage and apparently enough people leave their cars unlocked in my neighborhood that the bad guys can just come here to shop for their new cars rather than bothering with a car dealership. A bonus for the criminal is that people often leave valuable things in their cars because the "neighborhood is so safe".

Can't necessarily see houses from the street, houses are spread out and there are often many older people who are more vulnerable and do have valuables including cash, jewelry etc.

Upscale neighborhoods are likely much less safe than many of the people living in the neighborhood think.

JMO
 
  • #32,596
I noticed this just now. Look at his droopy upper eyelids. They look to be almost covering his upper lashes. I thought he was quite young at first till I noticed this.
Some of us have looked that way since birth. It's just a feature some people (several in my family) have.
 
  • #32,597
In my opinion they got the results back but are telling the public otherwise to give a potential suspect a false sense of security. JMO
Yes, and it wouldn't be the first time they've done that ?

Was also considering an employee or a friend of one.
Still think it might have been someone Nancy knew by sight at least and they knew she saw them (botched robbery, maybe, but am still leaning towards planned abduction); so they took her !
A crime with a personal element.
How sickening -- and frightening for her ! :mad:

There are some crimes that deserve the harshest penalties possible, and imo, kidnapping ranks right along with outright murder.

A survivor of an abduction might never be the same and at Nancy's age could cause her health to severely decline, even if released.
Still hoping she's alive !
Omo.
 
  • #32,598
Sheriff clears Guthrie family and spouses
I hope this brings an end to the baseless implication of TC


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DOUBTFUL. The fourth amendment protects against unreasonable search and seizures. A hidden listening device is considered a search and your home has the highest level of privacy protection. Your need a court warrant for starters. JMO
They could have a warrant. LE and the FBI use listening devices.
 
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Yes, and it wouldn't be the first time they've done that ?

Was also considering an employee or a friend of one.
Still think it might have been someone Nancy knew by sight at least and they knew she saw them (botched robbery, maybe, but am still leaning towards planned abduction); so they took her !
A crime with a personal element.
How sickening -- and frightening for her ! :mad:

There are some crimes that deserve the harshest penalties possible, and imo, kidnapping ranks right along with outright murder.

A survivor of an abduction might never be the same and at Nancy's age could cause her health to severely decline, even if released.
Still hoping she's alive !
Omo.
I think her whole family is going to have some serious PTSD over this, no matter the outcome.
 

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