• #32,821
The camera was removed. Crime scene photos show the camera missing with just the bracket remaining.
Speaking of which, I wonder if when NG was dropped off, there was any footage of the vehicle dropping her off or of her walking towards garage.
 
  • #32,822
In Tricia’s chat people have said that LE has cleared the family but the FBI has not.
Yeah I only heard that from the sheriff's office. The FBI hasn't said anything.
 
  • #32,823
IMO, the backpack may have been purchased at Walmart originally, but I feel suspect would have procured it 2nd hand…garage sale, thrift shop. I also feel this suspect and any others involved had no cellphones on them that night. I’m thinking if they did this case could possibly be solved by now. Too much for thought, (double masks, double gloves, mouth light, gun full backpack and again, probably no cell phones) they’re not gonna pick apparel from their personal closet….but I hope they did!
So maybe they are not the idiots they are being made out to be?
 
  • #32,824
Speaking of which, I wonder if when NG was dropped off, there was any footage of the vehicle dropping her off or of her walking towards garage.
This….so much! All we heard from the start was that nothing was recorded. Now I’d like to see all that they have.
 
  • #32,825
Certainly appears they exited out the front door (Nancy's blood drops) but perp may have entered another way.
 
  • #32,826
There was unknown male DNA found at NG’s house, though we haven’t heard much about it since the sheriff’s announcement and he wouldn’t say where it was found. And if the Range Rover yields something, that would be significant. So it’s not just the glove.
I think the unknown male DNA found in NG's house is the best lead they have atm because it's linked to the crime scene. In saying that, we don't have enough information to determine how important this DNA is as it's dependant on where it was found and what type of sample it is, i.e. hair, skin, blood or other bodily fluids.

If I were LE, i'd be wanting to try and identify the donor by using genetic genealogy on the sample. I'm sort of hoping that they're being quiet about it because they are working on the sample.
 
  • #32,827

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The Pima County Sheriff's Office and the FBI have launched new web pages to facilitate the sharing of any relevant information.

If you have a camera and reside in the area investigators want to review your footage. This includes smaller streets within the area.

They are focusing on cars between 10 p.m. January 11 and 1 a.m. January 12, as well as 11 p.m. January 31 to 4 a.m. February 1, the morning Guthrie went missing.

The areas of interest extend from Ina Rd. to La Cholla, then down to River Rd. and over to Roller Coaster Rd.
 
  • #32,828
Ok, There is no apparent sign of forced entry on the front door. No glass or apparent broken door in the back. So how did they get in?? Is it possible that whoever did this had a key? Not necessarily that they SHOULD have had one. Maybe they "borrowed" one and made a copy. Either that, or it was someone she trusted and she let them in. I can't imagine her letting them in, unless she knew and trusted them. Does anyone have other ideas?

Maybe NG didn’t lock the back?
Maybe somebody in on this was in the house earlier and left a window unlocked. Although unlikely since I think this case would have been already solved.
Maybe he had an extra key?
Maybe picked a lock?

Like you I find it hard to believe NG let this person in. Not with him looking like that.
 
  • #32,829
Here is my glaring question. Ca you see anything at all after he puts flowers on the door? Who removed them? If there is even a sliver open, we should see them leave with Nancy or atleast blobs unfocused shadows moving by, right? I almost feel like the video was staged, by who I dont know. It’s all so fishy!
Maybe there is footage that has not been shared with the public, that shows more of what happened that night.
 
  • #32,830
Are we sure there was someone inside with her?
If you’re already inside the house, why go up to the front door camera? Just block it and remove it from inside the front door so you aren’t seen by camera.
Some have said that it was to make it appear like a break in, from the front door. Even the way lantana guy makes sure his gun is "showing" (in the front) to the camera, and perhaps pretending this was not planned-- like oh my gosh! A camera? Oh no, I should cover this up! With what.....uuuuuuuuh, a plant! Yes, a plant.
 
  • #32,831
Maybe NG didn’t lock the back?
Maybe somebody in on this was in the house earlier and left a window unlocked. Although unlikely since I think this case would have been already solved.
Maybe he had an extra key?
Maybe picked a lock?

Like you I find it hard to believe NG let this person in. Not with him looking like that.
In a large house like that I think it's very possible to unintentionally leave a door or window unlocked.
 
  • #32,832
Ok, There is no apparent sign of forced entry on the front door. No glass or apparent broken door in the back. So how did they get in?? Is it possible that whoever did this had a key? Not necessarily that they SHOULD have had one. Maybe they "borrowed" one and made a copy. Either that, or it was someone she trusted and she let them in. I can't imagine her letting them in, unless she knew and trusted them. Does anyone have other ideas?
Was it a warm-ish night where she might have cracked a window open for the night air to come in? Just a thought. I don’t know.

I recall reading in a NYTimes article that she’d open her windows during the summer.
 
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  • #32,834
I think it takes a lot of time. In Arizona there are over 120 Walmarts or Walmart affliliated stores. Let’s just assume there are 500 purchases per hour on average each 24 hours. Thats over a millions transactions to review per day. If they can pinpoint by product, lets just say each store sells 10 backpacks per day. If you looked back 5 days before the event, that is still over 6000 transactions to review. It is a lot of data to parse for sure.

If we add in California, There is over 300 stores.

All they have to do is look at the sku and time/date purchased and pull up the camera footage for that transaction.
 
  • #32,835
I see downturned lashes.
Agreed I think this suspect just has some really weird eye structure. Really big and upturned eyes, lots of room in bleph area, lots of space between corner of eye and nose.
JMO
 
  • #32,836
I don’t know about her credit/debit cards, but this older article says: (bbm)

“Nancy Guthrie's belongings, including her purse, wallet, cell phone, and vehicle were at her home. PCSD said she suffers from limited mobility and her medications that she needs are still inside of her house.”

Occasionally elders (particularly with dementia, and the like) 'wander off'.

I wonder if that was the thinking of the perp. And look, she took nothing with her!

Except NG is sharp as a tack.

They thought wrong.
 
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  • #32,837
Nah. She left behind blood.
 
  • #32,838
Agreed I think this suspect just has some really weird eye structure. Really big and upturned eyes, lots of room in bleph area, lots of space between corner of eye and nose.
JMO
The things your mention are what made me think this is a mask/disguise. Really unnatural. Brow does not arch towards the nose, it goes straight across all the way to the center of the nose, but not in a unibrow sort of way.

Almost looks like they shaved or covered their own brows with tape, and then glued on fake brows. And also fake lashes, with mascara and eyeliner.
 
  • #32,839
Leaving everything behind is likely a strategy to avoid losing track of something of hers that would give them away.
 
  • #32,840
I think the unknown male DNA found in NG's house is the best lead they have atm because it's linked to the crime scene. In saying that, we don't have enough information to determine how important this DNA is as it's dependant on where it was found and what type of sample it is, i.e. hair, skin, blood or other bodily fluids.

If I were LE, i'd be wanting to try and identify the donor by using genetic genealogy on the sample. I'm sort of hoping that they're being quiet about it because they are working on the sample.
Brian Entin did a great interview of a genetic genealogist about this case.
 

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