• #32,801
Ok, There is no apparent sign of forced entry on the front door. No glass or apparent broken door in the back. So how did they get in?? Is it possible that whoever did this had a key? Not necessarily that they SHOULD have had one. Maybe they "borrowed" one and made a copy. Either that, or it was someone she trusted and she let them in. I can't imagine her letting them in, unless she knew and trusted them. Does anyone have other ideas?
 
  • #32,802
Still chilling ~ a week after its release. There's something very nonchalant and unconcerned in his behavior.
Someone (here) once mentioned that it looked like he was showing up to an assignment and that description has stuck with me..
 
  • #32,803
Here is my glaring question. Ca you see anything at all after he puts flowers on the door? Who removed them? If there is even a sliver open, we should see them leave with Nancy or atleast blobs unfocused shadows moving by, right? I almost feel like the video was staged, by who I dont know. It’s all so fishy!
The camera was removed. Crime scene photos show the camera missing with just the bracket remaining.
 
  • #32,804
Can we assume that the fact that the backpack was sold exclusively at Walmart is a significant breakthrough? Apparently, Walmart is known for their comprehensive “tracking” of purchasers, even having video of cash purchases.

Also, although the rest of the items could have been purchased elsewhere, I’d think that since they’re also sold at Walmart, and the backpack is only sold there, the perp may have purchased some of the other items there as well,

I wonder how long it takes Walmart to track down these purchases?
IMO, the backpack may have been purchased at Walmart originally, but I feel suspect would have procured it 2nd hand…garage sale, thrift shop. I also feel this suspect and any others involved had no cellphones on them that night. I’m thinking if they did this case could possibly be solved by now. Too much for thought, (double masks, double gloves, mouth light, gun full backpack and again, probably no cell phones) they’re not gonna pick apparel from their personal closet….but I hope they did!
 
  • #32,805
Just thinking about it, I wonder why he needed to go to the front door anyways. If he entered through the back door to get inside then he didn’t have to break this camera from the front. Before taking her out the front door, he could’ve placed something over that cam to break it without ever being seen.
I'm confused why he went to the front door too, especially if it is true that the sliding glass door was wide open... the sliding glass door faces the road/driveway on the left side of the house (when viewing from driveway). It didn't even look like there was a wall or fence impeding access to that sliding glass door. And earlier in the thread I think someone mentioned a neighbor said NG's bedroom is where the sliding glass door is. So much doesn't make sense. I hope soon it will.
 
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  • #32,807
Can we assume that the fact that the backpack was sold exclusively at Walmart is a significant breakthrough? Apparently, Walmart is known for their comprehensive “tracking” of purchasers, even having video of cash purchases.

Also, although the rest of the items could have been purchased elsewhere, I’d think that since they’re also sold at Walmart, and the backpack is only sold there, the perp may have purchased some of the other items there as well,

I wonder how long it takes Walmart to track down these purchases?
I think it takes a lot of time. In Arizona there are over 120 Walmarts or Walmart affliliated stores. Let’s just assume there are 500 purchases per hour on average each 24 hours. Thats over a millions transactions to review per day. If they can pinpoint by product, lets just say each store sells 10 backpacks per day. If you looked back 5 days before the event, that is still over 6000 transactions to review. It is a lot of data to parse for sure.

If we add in California, There is over 300 stores.
 
  • #32,808
I never see the perps eyes blink but that could be from adrenaline....
This brings to mind --

Although we can only see the black-and-white (or close) infrared camera result, I'm wondering if the metadata on the video allows the techies to identify what color various items are in the video?

For example: I've missed most of the posts recently but saw someone refer to the backpack as black -- do we know that definitively?

The reason I'm asking is I'm wondering if LE knows what color eyes Lantana Man has?

MOO
 
  • #32,809
The camera was removed. Crime scene photos show the camera missing with just the bracket remaining.
So after the bush was put on it, or later by law enforcement or as they were leaving?

I would like to see the crime scene photos if you have a link??
 
  • #32,810
The camera was removed. Crime scene photos show the camera missing with just the bracket remaining.
Speaking of which, I wonder if when NG was dropped off, there was any footage of the vehicle dropping her off or of her walking towards garage.
 
  • #32,811
In Tricia’s chat people have said that LE has cleared the family but the FBI has not.
Yeah I only heard that from the sheriff's office. The FBI hasn't said anything.
 
  • #32,812
IMO, the backpack may have been purchased at Walmart originally, but I feel suspect would have procured it 2nd hand…garage sale, thrift shop. I also feel this suspect and any others involved had no cellphones on them that night. I’m thinking if they did this case could possibly be solved by now. Too much for thought, (double masks, double gloves, mouth light, gun full backpack and again, probably no cell phones) they’re not gonna pick apparel from their personal closet….but I hope they did!
So maybe they are not the idiots they are being made out to be?
 
  • #32,813
Speaking of which, I wonder if when NG was dropped off, there was any footage of the vehicle dropping her off or of her walking towards garage.
This….so much! All we heard from the start was that nothing was recorded. Now I’d like to see all that they have.
 
  • #32,814
Certainly appears they exited out the front door (Nancy's blood drops) but perp may have entered another way.
 
  • #32,815
There was unknown male DNA found at NG’s house, though we haven’t heard much about it since the sheriff’s announcement and he wouldn’t say where it was found. And if the Range Rover yields something, that would be significant. So it’s not just the glove.
I think the unknown male DNA found in NG's house is the best lead they have atm because it's linked to the crime scene. In saying that, we don't have enough information to determine how important this DNA is as it's dependant on where it was found and what type of sample it is, i.e. hair, skin, blood or other bodily fluids.

If I were LE, i'd be wanting to try and identify the donor by using genetic genealogy on the sample. I'm sort of hoping that they're being quiet about it because they are working on the sample.
 
  • #32,816

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The Pima County Sheriff's Office and the FBI have launched new web pages to facilitate the sharing of any relevant information.

If you have a camera and reside in the area investigators want to review your footage. This includes smaller streets within the area.

They are focusing on cars between 10 p.m. January 11 and 1 a.m. January 12, as well as 11 p.m. January 31 to 4 a.m. February 1, the morning Guthrie went missing.

The areas of interest extend from Ina Rd. to La Cholla, then down to River Rd. and over to Roller Coaster Rd.
 
  • #32,817
Ok, There is no apparent sign of forced entry on the front door. No glass or apparent broken door in the back. So how did they get in?? Is it possible that whoever did this had a key? Not necessarily that they SHOULD have had one. Maybe they "borrowed" one and made a copy. Either that, or it was someone she trusted and she let them in. I can't imagine her letting them in, unless she knew and trusted them. Does anyone have other ideas?

Maybe NG didn’t lock the back?
Maybe somebody in on this was in the house earlier and left a window unlocked. Although unlikely since I think this case would have been already solved.
Maybe he had an extra key?
Maybe picked a lock?

Like you I find it hard to believe NG let this person in. Not with him looking like that.
 
  • #32,818
Here is my glaring question. Ca you see anything at all after he puts flowers on the door? Who removed them? If there is even a sliver open, we should see them leave with Nancy or atleast blobs unfocused shadows moving by, right? I almost feel like the video was staged, by who I dont know. It’s all so fishy!
Maybe there is footage that has not been shared with the public, that shows more of what happened that night.
 
  • #32,819
Are we sure there was someone inside with her?
If you’re already inside the house, why go up to the front door camera? Just block it and remove it from inside the front door so you aren’t seen by camera.
Some have said that it was to make it appear like a break in, from the front door. Even the way lantana guy makes sure his gun is "showing" (in the front) to the camera, and perhaps pretending this was not planned-- like oh my gosh! A camera? Oh no, I should cover this up! With what.....uuuuuuuuh, a plant! Yes, a plant.
 
  • #32,820
Maybe NG didn’t lock the back?
Maybe somebody in on this was in the house earlier and left a window unlocked. Although unlikely since I think this case would have been already solved.
Maybe he had an extra key?
Maybe picked a lock?

Like you I find it hard to believe NG let this person in. Not with him looking like that.
In a large house like that I think it's very possible to unintentionally leave a door or window unlocked.
 

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