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With that in mind, what is the main objective in your opinion?
Finding NG, or catching the perpetrator?
Your argument seems to be about the chicken or the egg...
How would you go about finding NG if you were in charge?
 
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Yes.

But I am also thinking of how many persons' DNA could be in my house, just under ordinary circumstances. Even if they tested routine service providers, friends and family, there is still probably plenty of DNA here from delivery drivers, handymen my family doesn't know I employed, recently purchased groceries and merchandise, etc.
My thought on this is they found it somewhere either inside or out that they could tell was connected to the crime, maybe where there was obvious evidence of a struggle. JMO of course.
 
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More on DNA efforts. This is from Newsweek via MSN.
 
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I’m not positive, I thought it was Unknown DNA found in bedroom. Anyone remember where inside it was found?
JMO
AFAIK they haven't even confirmed it was IN the house vs on the property. I may have missed something on that though. It seems to be all over the place with where DNA was found. JMO
 
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It does not seem logical to me that he would try to still remove her if she was deceased.

If ransom was the objective, I think he would remove her regardless of whether she was dead. If the objective was to extort money from the family, that would presumably remain the objective even if she died accidentally in the home.


IMO so far, ransom is still the motive, though I tend not to believe the TMZ letters are from the actual kidnapper.

Leaving Nancy’s dead body in her home would have ended that in minutes, as it would obviate the need for ransom at all.

JMO
 
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Yes.

But I am also thinking of how many persons' DNA could be in my house, just under ordinary circumstances. Even if they tested routine service providers, friends and family, there is still probably plenty of DNA here from delivery drivers, handymen my family doesn't know I employed, recently purchased groceries and merchandise, etc.
Source: NY Post 02/21/2025

Chilean robbery gangs have been operating across the US for years — but ignored by the feds until they started targeting star athletes like Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes, according to a California district attorney pushing for a legal change to crack down on them.

“These Chileans have been coming here for years and everybody knows about it,” Orange County DA Todd Spitzer told “Fox & Friends” Thursday, calling it “tourism burglary.”

Tucson??? Tourism Burglary?
 
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If ransom was the objective, I think he would remove her regardless of whether she was dead. If the objective was to extort money from the family, that would presumably remain the objective even if she died accidentally in the home.
This crime bears the hallmarks of a burglary gone bad and escalated, rather than a kidnapping. There was no planning, a single offender who knew that she lived alone, and haphazard efforts at covering his tracks.

A kidnapper smart enough to demand bitcoin, which is largely untraceable, would surely be smart enough to avoid a doorbell camera and putting a flashlight in his mouth to illuminate the scene even brighter.
 
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I’m so confused are they cleared or not? Btw Brianna Whitney is pretty respected here locally so I’m very confused
Note the dates on the post day 13 not cleared per interview Now saying clearing after few days.

Which is it, conflicting information. I’m confused as well.
Moo
 
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  • GUTHRIE FAMILY 'INNOCENT': Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said yesterday that no family members are considered suspects in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance and that they've been cooperative. "I’m not going to sit in silence when others are attacking the innocent," he told NBC News.
  • LEADS GROW BY THE THOUSANDS: The sheriff's office and the FBI have fielded around 40,000 to 50,000 leads, Nanos said yesterday. Authorities had previously said they had fielded around 30,000 leads in the case.
  • TESTING GLOVES: Preliminary testing on gloves found about 2 miles from Guthrie’s home point to the DNA of an unknown male, authorities said. Those gloves appear to match gloves worn by a person seen in surveillance video from outside Guthrie’s home. The FBI is awaiting official confirmation before it puts the unknown male's DNA into a national database to try to identify him.
  • TRUMP WEIGHS IN: President Donald Trump has again weighed in on the investigation, telling the New York Post that he'd want the Justice Department to seek the death penalty if Guthrie were found dead. It is not clear whether a case against her abductors would be brought in federal court.
  • Nancy Guthrie live updates: Police clear family as more tips roll in
 
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I agree, but most here are emphasizing identifying the DNA, which in my opinion is secondary to preserving human life.
Sheriff's motivation is going after the bad guy(s). IMO organized searches around Tucson would be helpful - nothing planned.
 
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Your argument seems to be about the chicken or the egg...
How would you go about finding NG if you were in charge?
Organized Tucson searches. Outside.
 
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Forgive me if I am not up to speed but how on earth do they find 'unknown' DNA in a large house like that?

I guess if there were bodily fluids left in the bathroom, it would be spotted and tested. But elsewhere - a hair? A used tissue? A used glass or cup? Surely they aren't just swabbing random surfaces? That would be like finding a needle in a haystack. It's hard to imagine that a fully-dressed, possibly masked intruder would leave much of anything behind, let alone leave behind something that could be noticed, tested and identified.
The video posted a few pages back with BE interviewing the retired female FBI investigator along with another lady investigator (sorry don't know their names) explain how they go about collecting evidence. Essentially, they look for areas that are out of place like something knocked over, or obvious places a perp would touch/use and work systematically through the home to collect it.
 
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Obviously, SG and family are facing an unimaginable situation. However, it must be so difficult on the other members of the Today Show if LE still hasn’t ruled out SG’s media ties as a motive.
 
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This crime bears the hallmarks of a burglary gone bad and escalated, rather than a kidnapping. There was no planning, a single offender who knew that she lived alone, and haphazard efforts at covering his tracks.

A kidnapper smart enough to demand bitcoin, which is largely untraceable, would surely be smart enough to avoid a doorbell camera and putting a flashlight in his mouth to illuminate the scene even brighter.
Was something stolen from the home, other than NG? Why would he take her if it was a burglary gone wrong (assuming going wrong was that she was killed)? If I recall, she had a hearing impairment; if that's true, it seems as though it would be relatively easy to break in to the home and take whatever without even rousing her.
 
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Can't the emails that been sent to TMZ be traced to an IP address? That's what LE did in this recent case: Colorado woman's stalker turns out to be husband in shocking murder case
They can absolutely get the IP address that an email was sent from. But most likely, if the person who sent it has any idea what they're doing at all, that IP address will dead end at something like a compromised computer on some innocent person's home internet connection. Or, at best, a VPN in a country where they are either slow to respond or just don't respond to requests from US law enforcement.

BTW, If anyone reading has one of those "free TV" boxes like Superbox or Vsee, it may very well be part of a botnet that allows criminals to obscure the origin of their internet traffic. (Certainly not the only way it can be done, but something to be aware of. Cite: Is Your Android TV Streaming Box Part of a Botnet? – Krebs on Security )
 
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Note the dates on the post day 13 not cleared per interview Now saying clearing after few days.

Which is it, conflicting information. I’m confused as well.
Moo
Cleared by Sherriff, not by FBI. If new evidence is found, new ballgame. For now, they are considered cleared. jmo
 
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