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The Pima County Sheriff's Office and the FBI have launched new web pages to facilitate the sharing of any relevant information.

If you have a camera and reside in the area investigators want to review your footage. This includes smaller streets within the area.

They are focusing on cars between 10 p.m. January 11 and 1 a.m. January 12, as well as 11 p.m. January 31 to 4 a.m. February 1, the morning Guthrie went missing.

The areas of interest extend from Ina Rd. to La Cholla, then down to River Rd. and over to Roller Coaster Rd.
I wonder what Nancy was doing on January 11th. I don’t see any posts on her Facebook until January 13th.
January 11th was as Sunday night


Weather: Jan 11- 45 degrees, 8 mph winds
Moon- waning crescent

Jan 31- Saturday night to Sunday morning
Moon- waxing gibbous

Both visits are weekends. Why? Does perp work during the week or have kids during week?
 
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I don't know if this has already been posted. If so apologies.

William Bratton: There’s a large ‘range of people’ investigators have to look at in Nancy Guthrie case​

Former NYPD Commissioner William Bratton and legal analyst Rikki Klieman discuss Savannah Guthrie’s pleas for her mother’s return and share legal and investigative insight into the case on ‘One Nation.’
 
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I wonder if the Guthrie family lawyers have had a pointed word with him? While I agree some of the baseless accusations thrown at the family are unfair, clearing them after several days seems premature. Yeah, that's great they were cooperative but several days doesn't seem like enough time to test and sift through all that evidence. If I were running the show my policy would be that no one is cleared until there's an arrest.
Good point. To me the problem isn't when people are cleared. The problem is saying no one is cleared on day 13, then saying the family was cleared after a few days.
 
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I don't know anything about how this field operates (and to be clear this is not intended as a criticism of working with that particular lab), but it's kind of wild to me that there isn't some provision for weekend work when what's at stake is potentially finding a kidnapping victim, where not just days or hours, but minutes count IMHO...
 
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This crime bears the hallmarks of a burglary gone bad and escalated, rather than a kidnapping. There was no planning, a single offender who knew that she lived alone, and haphazard efforts at covering his tracks.

A kidnapper smart enough to demand bitcoin, which is largely untraceable, would surely be smart enough to avoid a doorbell camera and putting a flashlight in his mouth to illuminate the scene even brighter.
Meaning the two may not be related. Very possible. No proof has been given that Bitcoiner really has info. If a burglary went wrong, moving her would cover-up - no body. This could explain the 41 minutes in the house. And, if a body was taken into the desert, Mexico, elsewhere, locating a body would take a long time, definitely long enough for the culprits to be long gone. I can't see anyone keeping a body for long.
 
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Was something stolen from the home, other than NG? Why would he take her if it was a burglary gone wrong (assuming going wrong was that she was killed)? If I recall, she had a hearing impairment; if that's true, it seems as though it would be relatively easy to break in to the home and take whatever without even rousing her.
Nothing was stolen that I heard of, but she could have encountered him just as he got inside, before he had a chance to act. Was she still up, maybe?

I do not believe he planned to kidnap her but felt he had to to avoid getting caught. If he was an incompetent burglar, he was no longer thinking rationally, just about self preservation. He probably thought on the fly what to do with her, and dropped her somewhere in very short order..
 
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An obsessive perp would be a loner and not hire someone else to do this crime. Which obsessive person with no personal connection to the object of their obsession has ever hired anyone else to influence or hurt said object? I can't think of any. Follow the money trail. I am almost sure this crime is related to money. JMO.
You know, I think you're right, Agatha, about an obsessive individual only working alone. Thanks. I still don't think money is the motive, though. A serious money person would understand how essential collateral would be, and, unless the Guthrie children are seeing more than the public, there's been no proof of life.

I also wonder if the family hasn't been contacted more directly than through TMZ, and we just don't know about it.
 
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I don't know anything about how this field operates (and to be clear this is not intended as a criticism of working with that particular lab), but it's kind of wild to me that there isn't some provision for weekend work when what's at stake is potentially finding a kidnapping victim, where not just days or hours, but minutes count IMHO...
I think it's as CiCi Moore stated in her interview with BE, the vast majority of DNA research cases are for long ago crimes that require very intricate work, such as cold cases. When there is an urgent need, it would make sense to open during off hours and I'm certain any DNA lab anywhere would be happy to assist.
 
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The reason behind my response is that you mentioned that you “wished” the FBI had paid the ransom early on and then followed up my saying that the FBI certainly has the tools to find the perpetrators of this terrible crime.
While those are certainly things that many are hopeful and wish could happen, however the cold reality is that even with the latest science and technology these crimes take time to solve, gathering and analyzing evidence. Law Enforcement has to have their facts 100% straight in order to get a conviction and make the charges stick.
LE knows a lot more than you think and a lot more than they let on. I am not arguing about their due diligence. But their capabilities are more than you give them credit for. They will solve this case and have it wrapped up in a tight bow for you.

I stand by what i said about the ransom but that’s just my opinion.
 
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Cleared by Sherriff, not by FBI. If new evidence is found, new ballgame. For now, they are considered cleared. jmo
This is exactly what’s been throwing me off. I don’t understand how one can clear them, but not the other.
 
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NO POLITICS
NO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SHERIFF.
PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC. NANCY GUTHRIE.

THANK YOU
 
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NO POLITICS
NO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SHERIFF.
PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC. NANCY GUTHRIE.

THANK YOU
 
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NO POLITICS
NO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SHERIFF.
PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC. NANCY GUTHRIE.

THANK YOU
 
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we haven't seen any footage of NG being dropped off that night, but there is a record of the times the garage door opened and closed. She was probably dropped off inside the garage and went directly in the house. The doorbell camera wouldn't necessarily record that.
If that's the case then it also wouldn't record the perp pulling car around driveway to garage to hide until they were ready to use it to remove NG out the front door.
 
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Good morning,
What I keep hanging up on is, if it's not a kidnapping for money, exactly what kind of serial offender is it? LE says it is not a robbery gone wrong, and it doesn't feel like a home invasion because there doesn't appear to be any forced entry. I can't figure it out. Gah!
It's not serial. It's targeted. It is a male, delusional, lovesick, celebrity stalker of SG. He watches her daily. he thinks everything she says has a hidden meaning between the 2 of them that is cementing the fact that she loves him too. He hungrily scans all media, looking for mention of SG's name..THUS the TMZ (entertainment based outfit). That's why the TMZ ransom emails. He probably has a little area in his home dedicated to her..A poster, some magazines etc. He maybe is emotionally docile. A deep-thinking, loner and suffering from lack of self esteem and unable to have a real life encounter with a woman in his peer group. Possibly lives with his MOM and deeply enmeshed with her. He has been suppressing his fixation on SG for sometime and can no longer do so. He's an SG stalker. That's been my opinion from the first day and I am sticking to it! JMO..MOO
 
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Was it similiar glove to the one found near the road or did they have DNA from the perp in the house?

The statement I saw was very confusing and buggered the English language.
They have unknown DNA in the house.
[Not from a glove; no gloves were found in the house.]
The glove that was found was a couple of miles down the road and looked similar to the one worn by the masked man in the video footage.
 
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Nothing was stolen that I heard of, but she could have encountered him just as he got inside, before he had a chance to act. Was she still up, maybe?

I do not believe he planned to kidnap her but felt he had to to avoid getting caught. If he was an incompetent burglar, he was no longer thinking rationally, just about self preservation. He probably thought on the fly what to do with her, and dropped her somewhere in very short order..
Old people always get up during the night to use the bathroom. They also sleep odd hours, sometimes just get up during the night for a bit. She could have encountered the burglar, attempted to react, fell, unconscious or traumatic brain injury. The force that causes a concussion can frequently lead to a nosebleed, which could explain blood found. Lots of ideas. Agree a body would be soon dumped.
 
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LE knows a lot more than you think and a lot more than they let on. I am not arguing about their due diligence. But their capabilities are more than you give them credit for. They will solve this case and have it wrapped up in a tight bow for you.

I stand by what i said about the ransom but that’s just my opinion.
I never said that I doubted LE’s abilities! I am 100% confident that it will be solved, however it may take more time that some people think. I agree with your viewpoint 100%, apologies if I come across as argumentative!
My opinion only.
 
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