AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[elmomom]

Right. Walmart catches almost as many criminals LE. I’m assuming even big box home stores have the same tracking and video abilities, although they don’t have clothing and gun accessories.

I can’t think of where a criminal could put together a crime kit besides Walmart while thinking he’s staying anonymous.

One could easily put together a kit by shopping at multiple places like HD, Lowe’s, Walmart, Target Dick’s and the local supermarket. Purchase of one thing at each location would make tracing a “kit” much more difficult.

 

[Laura Avery]

I’ve also floated the idea that he used the flowers to try to lure her to the door but I’m just not sure. If she saw something weird on the cam would she really open the door to see what it was, as an 84 year old woman living alone at 1-2am? But I suppose it’s possible, if she’s felt comfortable and safe in that house and neighborhood for all these years.

moo

Yes..I don't know if I would either, and I live in a very safe area of the UK, with a husband and three young adult men, and an A-hole cat! But they can also pick up audios..one way I believe, so not recording if not linked to a sub, so she may have recognised the voice or maybe someone lied?

 

[cherryleaf]

He is not a verified source.
He is a convicted fraud IIRC.
Just google him, should tell you all you need to know.

JMO

Too bad we can’t trade him for NG safe return

MOO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I wouldn't read too much into whether people have been "cleared" or not... I've heard detectives on podcasts and shows say many times that their policy is to never "clear" suspects, at least not until their investigation is finished. I think the FBI is saying the professional thing to say. I think Nanos does not prescribe to that particular train of thought. All MOO.

IMO, the Sheriff was able to clear the family--all 3 children & their spouses--because they have zeroed in on a suspect(s) for whom they have evidence of them being at the crime scene.

It seems there's a good chance that LE has got these suspects under extensive surveillance while LE continues to gather and confirm their evidence to prove in court that these suspects committed this crime and to ensure they have a rock solid case that will lead to a conviction.

JMHO

 

[SMK777]

If the perp were born in another country would Codis have his DNA in their database if he had committed a previous crime here and was detained?

Probably, if the crime were committed here.

 

[Former Reporter]

Imo we should report a post that is a violation of the rules here. Every time you reply to that post or quote is it another one mods have to deal with.
Report and move on is what I do.

Excellent point. I will model your behavior going forward.

 

[Molly's Mom]

That will only work if they actually have the perps DNA, which I'm still skeptical of.

As am I. And, is anyone else a bit annoyed to learn that the FBI is just throwing their searching gloves on the ground? I cannot imagine that the ONE unknown DNA they happened to find is the perp.

 

[maskedwoman]

Was it a warm-ish night where she might have cracked a window open for the night air to come in? Just a thought. I don’t know.

I recall reading in a NYTimes article that she’d open her windows during the summer.

Good idea! Accuweather says the high that day was 77 but the low overnight from Jan 31 into Feb 1 was only 45.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/tucson/85716/january-weather/346936

 

[Han]

Anybody else notice the news about Mark Kelly’s thoughts concerning future aspirations? For those who consider SG milquetoast I urge you to reconsider her pertinence through her political affiliations and her presence on NBC. Is any of this relevant to NG’s disappearance? It’s doubtful it would be disclosed by investigators if true. Just my own musings and opinions.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m just hoping this is related to the dna in the house and not on that glove.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023879222457164059

 

[ab01]

That will only work if they actually have the perps DNA, which I'm still skeptical of.

I’m skeptical as well, as the DNA at the home was found early on per the Sheriff. I can only deduce that it’s likely not a complete sample or it would have been run in codis and genealogy websites much sooner imo.

The fact that the sample on the gloves can be ruled out as being from the same source of DNA found in the home leads me to believe that genealogy likely will identify the source of the glove DNA but I doubt the source is the perp.

 

[stmichael]

I’m not sure what you mean by “back-tracing 4473s”… this is basically what they’re doing. 4473s are paper forms retained by dealers. The only “tracing” that can be done is with a serial number and hopping from manufacturer to 4473 to 4473.

I’m also not sure how effective refusing compliance would be… probably just wind up with an ATF agent showing up to inspect your records and at that point you’d better start praying nothing is amiss.

JMO

Well, correct. FFLs keep 4473 forms in their bound books. There is no database or other record of it (so they say). ATF can audit an FFL's bound book any time. They can legally trace or "back-trace" a 4473 is once a crime is committed w/ a serial number. Now investigators here apparently have a list. I wonder how they complied that and if they had some serials in this process. There are investigative ways to get (maybe actually found said guns on POI, pics on socials, etc.). Again, proving someone bought a gun from a gun store doesn't mean that much. Even finding a gun on a POI doesn't say anything in this case if they are not a prohibited person. They have to have some other idea here.

FFLs have no obligation to volunteer this info, without a serial linked to an actual crime. It's a huge slippery slope among gun guys. Whether the ATF would step in to audit your bound books as a response is possible but also slippery.

I am curious how they are asking for sales cause they can't tell much about the gun except assume it's a small frame prob. late gen semi auto. It can also be a replica for all we know. So they are going off of people-- a list of people. I am assuming these are POIs or match some other link (the backpack sales, really?) , all long-shots as this case seems to have a lot of that. The whole thing seems like another circumstantial tactic just like testing random gloves on the side of the road miles away from the scene.

Now all this is predicated on what we know, and of course they may know a lot more that they aren't disclosing.

 

[SlimPickens]

FBI guy is right. Sophisticated criminals steal their gear or pay with cash at flea markets.

If Walmart is the perps “Criminal Depot”, he’s not sophisticated.

MOO

Unless he steals his gear from Walmart.

JMO.

 

[Former Reporter]

I clicked that "Rules - Etiquette" link but I don't see an approved list of sources we can link to? Did I miss it? Is there a comprehensive list of approved sources somewhere? I did see someone state Fox News was banned from sources BUT allowed for this case only.

BBM: Quoting an outside source is allowed when the content is intended to substantiate a post. Examples are a snipped portion of a mainstream media (MSM) news article or a legal or scholarly article. While Websleuths does not prohibit quotes from sources outside of WS, we reserve the right to remove the quote and link if the source is deemed inappropriate. Random blogs and podcasts are not allowed without prior approval by a Mod or Admin.

This particular "journalist" has, from what I understand, repeatedly posted inappropriate posts and misinformation. MOO Edited to add: the source we are debating is a random blog.

 

[LarryLujack]

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It sounds like a response based on semantics to me too.. I just watched Will Cain interview a Tucson gun shop guy who responded about an FBI visit to his business asking about individuals, Maybe the sheriff was unaware of what the FBI was doing at the time of his interview. Maybe not 40 persons or dozens as he was asked?

link?

 

[Cristofori406]

Yes..I don't know if I would either, and I live in a very safe area of the UK, with a husband and three young adult men, and an A-hole cat! But they can also pick up audios..one way I believe, so not recording if not linked to a sub, so she may have recognised the voice or maybe someone lied?

Yeah, I've wondered if someone familiar to her lured her out of the house somehow. As in, "S has been in an accident. She's asking for you. We have to get there immediately. Come now!" Something like that.

 

[soap mama]

People can certainly choose what they want to watch, but while you can mention the guy, as far as I know, this site does not want you to link to it. That would in effect be posting something from him. (Also, did you see the Wikipedia page about him? Yikes.)

JMO

Runs to Wikipedia...BRB

 

[GuyfromCanada]

VIDEO: Here's a look at the two investigators who were just at Nancy Guthrie's neighbor's house.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023880165542293928

 

[MsMatlock]

I understand, I thought others might enjoy watching him too. Don't use him as a source, understood.

link?

Will Cain Show. It just finished live so I doubt it is available online yet but I’m sure it will replay.

 

[turaj]

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link?

In his latest interview with Fox sheriff did not confirm any list of 40.