• #34,721
I think annoyance is just human nature. It’s ok to be annoyed. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about Nancy. When someone with video cameras blocks your driveway and is filming you on your morning walk with your dog, or random people are in your yard or parked outside your home for over 2 weeks pretty much anyone would get annoyed. I would. This is a super quiet neighborhood and they aren’t used to this. It’s perfectly natural. The frustration with not knowing what happened or where Nancy is, is palpable at this point.
 
  • #34,722
True, but should the taxpayers be paying for polygraphs done for PR purposes? I hope the government would shut down that idea.
Yes, it doesn't matter who we are, or if we're famous. If we can identify the bad guys and illuminate them, then it's worth the cost.
 
  • #34,723
I would milk it too if I was TMZ. That's how they make their money. I don't think they can help that they are the chosen one in this case.
Yeah regardless of what we as compassionate people would consider the proper response, TMZ is a business and acts accordingly.
From a business perspective i understand completely, from personal perspective i don't find it responsible 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
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I note Patel says there:

“Additional recovered images from the same camera at Nancy Guthrie’s front door the morning of her disappearance, including two videos of the individual.”

So, “the individual”. Implies the same one person in all those images.

And, “same camera”, and “the morning of her disappearance”. So, same camera, and same date.

jmo
 
  • #34,726
I would milk it too if I was TMZ. That's how they make their money. I don't think they can help that they are the chosen one in this case.
What's so very odd is that the family doesn't seem to have been contacted, but TMZ, which is viewed by a younger population, was contacted. I feel the ransom demands are a diversion, and the FBI are chasing all those 'leads', taking away from finding poor Nancy, whether rescue or recovery.
 
  • #34,727
Has there been a verified report that it's Guthrie family members that are taking polygraph tests? The last I saw they knew testing was happening but didn't know who or what case. I probably just missed the announcement it was family.
 
  • #34,728
I note Patel says there:

“Additional recovered images from the same camera at Nancy Guthrie’s front door the morning of her disappearance, including two videos of the individual.”

So, “the individual”. Implies the same one person in all those images.

And, “same camera”, and “the morning of her disappearance”. So, same camera, and same date.

jmo
Good point 👍🏻
 
  • #34,730
I think annoyance is just human nature. It’s ok to be annoyed. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about Nancy. When someone with video cameras blocks your driveway and is filming you on your morning walk with your dog, or random people are in your yard or parked outside your home for over 2 weeks pretty much anyone would get annoyed. I would. This is a super quiet neighborhood and they aren’t used to this. It’s perfectly natural. The frustration with not knowing what happened or where Nancy is, is palpable at this point.
Absolutely and it's important to note their annoyance is with media, not law enforcement. It isn't just Fox and CNN camped out on their street. They're probably tired of being harassed by YouTubers, tabloid reporters, clout chasers and all the other assorted ghouls who come to gawk at tragedy. I don't doubt they want Nancy found just as badly as the rest of us.
 
  • #34,732
Maybe the family want to do them, to get the pressure off their backs.
IMO, the Sheriff received push back for clearing the entire family. Polygraphs are also part of the department's due diligence , imo.
 
  • #34,733
Ok. I took a copy of the photo and played with the light levels sharpness contrast and definition. There is a pattern on the jacket! I'm confident that's a different jacket than lantana guy. It looks like swirls or the way light plays off of rip stop nylon. View attachment 646386
Camera noise. At low light levels, the camera uses high gain (high ISO), which amplifies the signal but also the noise. You can see noise patterns in the sky, too. Very low contrast in this image – you can barely see the eyes and the holes for them in the mask. Detail is being obliterated.

The camera is in night mode and emitting infrared from its own LEDs. In this still, I suspect those LEDs weren’t at full brightness so the image (and the video it was taken from, which hasn’t been released) is noisier. Heavily cropped, too, before release.

More on Google Nest’s modes and its IR LEDs here:


Interesting note on that page about the use of torches to attempt to ‘blind’ a camera.
 
  • #34,734
I think annoyance is just human nature. It’s ok to be annoyed. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about Nancy. When someone with video cameras blocks your driveway and is filming you on your morning walk with your dog, or random people are in your yard or parked outside your home for over 2 weeks pretty much anyone would get annoyed. I would. This is a super quiet neighborhood and they aren’t used to this. It’s perfectly natural. The frustration with not knowing what happened or where Nancy is, is palpable at this point.

Their homes are some of the safest in the country right now. They’re basically getting free security. That’s the way I’d feel if I was living there.

MOO
 
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Does anyone know who dropped her off, and why so late? I wonder if it was a special celebration. Usually elderly people don’t stay up that late.
9:45 or 10 pm is not "late" for many seniors.
 
  • #34,738
Just an indication that Sheriff Nanos is not that into putting his face on everything as some think basing on his media appearances 😅
The man just has to navigate in a very complicated case and IMO is trying his best. JMO
 
  • #34,739
The more sophisticated the ransom notes get, the more LE can run them with AI through AI filters..Evidence - adjacent artifacts like chatbots for example allow for an investigative force multiplier. Good!

Cheers,
Nin
 
  • #34,740
I think this is their article on this….

Such confusing words-
In a follow-up message, 12News asked Nanos if (LD) remained under investigation by the sheriff's office. He said, "We do not identify persons of interest. We met with the person of interest and he complied with our court order and he was released," Nanos said.

And of interest to me: BBM- I don’t understand why he needed a vehicle as he would likely be headed back to prison when his case goes to trial in may. The last part of the bolded sentence doesn’t match what court records say. Maybe he is out on probation UNTIL his trial— in May 26. Pima County Superior Court - Agave Online (Public Record Search)


….in 2022, he was arrested and would later be convicted of drug distribution charges. He was sentenced to four years on probation. He was arrested again in early 2025 by Marana Police in possession of fentanyl and a gun. A probation officer has filed to revoke his probation, but a judge has allowed him to continue on probation in the community.
 

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