This is really sad. The more you think about it, the more you realize she probably didn't make it out of her house alive.We've never heard about (AFAIK) the state of the inside of Nancy's house, and particularly her bedroom. Possibly there was so much blood (sorry) that medical people said she couldn't have survived it.
Personally I feel it’s irrelevant to Nancy’s case unless the victim is elderly. Not to minimize the awful nature of assault, but this looks more like your standard grab and rape attempt.
Here in the US people 1. kidnapped, 2. out of their homes, 3. (possibly) for ransom, 4. and an elderly woman is off-the-chart rare. Women being grabbed off the street and dragged or driven off to be assaulted is unfortunately not. I want to say the majority of kidnappings here are for rape or custodial issues.
Nancy’s could be sexual in nature assuming the ransom notes are fake. Elderly sex assault is typically a weird fetish or an inexperienced criminal, however, even those are in-house events as far as I can remember.
Regardless, surely LE has looked this other crime. Better to leave no stone unturned.
In this scenario, would the ransom note a day or two after her disappearance have given the family a shred of hope that perhaps she did survive it? I need to find the link*, but IIRC, Nanos mentioned calling in homicide.We've never heard about (AFAIK) the state of the inside of Nancy's house, and particularly her bedroom. Possibly there was so much blood (sorry) that medical people said she couldn't have survived it.
I kind of thought it was the equivalent of "no comment" - neither a confirmation nor a denial. In my opinion nothing can be gleaned from that particular statement.I agree. The Feds are notoriously tight-lipped but they do manage to get a message across.
This is really sad. The more you think about it, the more you realize she probably didn't make it out of her house alive.
I see your point. You think the gloves are not from the villain. Why would he leave them, right?BBM. Respectfully disagree. There are all sorts of misguided individuals who might see it as a prank and sit back and watch the police activity. If caught, they should be given 90 days in county jail with toilet scrubbing duty. I dare say that would cure their prankster impulses.
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Harvey Levin Outlines Possible Search Radius In Nancy Guthrie Case
The alleged ransom letter in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping has a few details that make it seem like she hasn't been taken too far from the Arizona home where she was abducted ... and that should narrow the search radius for law enforcement.www.tmz.com
He’s saying here that the radius is based on the ransom note’s promise to return Nancy to Tucson within a certain time after payment. In a later video (because time invariably loosens Harvey’s lips), he reveals the specified time to be twelve hours. The radius is huge, crossing into adjacent states.
Thank you. The discussion is moving so fast, and so many reporters and bloggers are covering this, I thought I missed something.They were responding to my post. I should have stated LE should "focus" on the radius mentioned in the first ransom note. I didn't mean to imply that they didn't even try to.
We've never heard about (AFAIK) the state of the inside of Nancy's house, and particularly her bedroom. Possibly there was so much blood (sorry) that medical people said she couldn't have survived it.
Was it common public knowledge Before NG’s disappearance that she had a Pacemaker or ICD ( or some sort of heart care device ) ?Excellent info, thanks. Sounds like it'd be important to know whether Nancy has an ICD or pacemaker. The only reason I can think of for someone wanting to put her's device into magnet mode is if it was be important to the crime, e.g., to prevent event reporting or otherwise disrupt the remote connection.
Maybe @Jade means that Cross etal should keep their traps shut until there's a definitive ending to this. In whatever way that happens. Quit diverting attention and time. It's not about Nanos, nor Cross, just Nancy.After watching Mr. Cross' interview with Brian Entin, it's not that people don't want him to succeed. There is apparently a pattern of demotion or retaliation against officers who disagree with him at all. Mr. Cross is able to speak more freely as union rep, which protects him in the cast of information for the public good, so he is speaking up for his union members. There has been a steady exodus of people leaving the department and currently, the most experienced homicide detectives have only 3 years of service. That is not much. MOO
Phew at least I know who was doing the interviews. Back to trying to figure out who was driving the RR. It is like info overload and so much at once to play catch up on and then nothing. Thanks for trying to help an old gal out here.
I can’t get it to play tonight for whatever reason. The video image certainly makes him look a lot fatter if that’s who I’m seeing past the vehicle.I don't think the man resembles Lantana man but I just want to point out that Marc O'Leary assaulted women in a wide age range from a teenager to women in their 60's.
I would've agreed in the past.I agree. The Feds are notoriously tight-lipped but they do manage to get a message across.
In this scenario, would the ransom note a day or two after her disappearance have given the family a shred of hope that perhaps she did survive it? I need to find the link*, but IIRC, Nanos mentioned calling in homicide.
All JMO/MMO
*Searchers were using drones and search dogs to look for Guthrie, officials said. Search and rescue teams were supported by volunteers and Border Patrol and the homicide team was also involved, he said. It is not standard for the homicide team to get involved in such cases, Nanos said.
Editing to add - from the same article:
"“You don't typically get the sheriff out at a scene like this, but it's very concerning what we're learning from the house…” he said. “The only thing I can tell you at the scene is it's concerning to us.”"
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Sheriff Nanos: Disappearance of Savannah Guthrie’s mom continues, case investigated as a crime
Authorities say 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson home over the weekend as deputies deploy drones, dogs and homicide investigators.news.azpm.org
It’s been alledged since the beginning that she took an Uber to her daughter’s house so she would have been seen by the driver if that information is true. Edited to add around 5:30 Saturday evening.Hypothetically, let’s assume there was no dinner at AG’s that night. Who was the last non family person to see NG alive? Let’s set the timeline from there.