• #36,741
From the scripted notes, what I observed is CG holding back his emotions and being stoic because he was told to. I saw him as a bull in a china cabinet and rightfully so!

I saw SG as a professional news reader, staying calm because she is in front of the camera.

I saw AG as a mess not wanting to be there.

We have no idea of the dynamics there. They all live in different cities from each other. They all love “mom” and want her back and this has to be difficult at the least.

I do wish they would come forward, especially since Nancy, if she is well, has to be worried about them also. That would be a mother’s greatest concern. I would be thinking if someone did this to me, they might do it to one of my children.
In her most recent plea to the kidnappers - IIRC, February 15 - SG's delivery was much different than the previous "scripted" replies to the alleged ransom requests. SG is visibly drained and has aged over the last three weeks. I saw the pain and sadness in her eyes and heard it in her voice. I'm sure that SG's brother and sister are equally distraught. I have been praying daily for the Guthrie siblings because I believe that they are grief-stricken by the disappearance of their mother and the distinct possibility that they will never see her again.
 
  • #36,742
Very promising to find and look for DNA on blood-stained gloves found within 1 mile of NG's home and found on a possible escape road (Campbell Avenue).

If they still had NG in their car, wouldn't they wait to get NG out of the car before disposing of their blood-stained gloves.

One possible idea is that NG was no longer alive and they got rid of her body in that one mile between NG's house and where these blood-stained gloves were found. Once they left her body somewhere on that mile stretch, they got rid of their blood-stained gloves so that they wouldn't have evidence of NG's murder and her DNA in their car.

JMHO
Is this report of gloves found just a repeat of what we heard 10 + days ago?
We heard that gloves(multiple) were found and tested and no hits on DNA.

These blood-stained gloves were found on Feb 11-- so I assume they already had the results?
Or am I wrong on this?

When I first read the headlines I got excited, but I'm afraid this might be old news being recycled? JMO.
I hope I'm wrong.
 
  • #36,743
Hadn't heard about the shovel.
Gray Hughs was an accepted source here but I seem to remember that having changed. Anyone know?

I have no clue if he's an accepted source here but I find him to be incredibly rude in the rare live feed I've listened to and will not watch any of his videos.

IMO
 
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  • #36,744
Hadn't heard about the shovel.
Gray Hughs was an accepted source here but I seem to remember that having changed. Anyone know?
FYI, someone posted Hughes video, upthread( just earlier today),
Sorry, I’m not sure if he is allowed, I assumed he was.
Thank in advance if someone knows?

JMO
 
  • #36,745
All of the distractions are not fair to Nancy who desperately needs to be found.

Find the creeper at Nancy's front door Sunday morning and you will find her.
 
  • #36,746
What happened with the ransom money? I thought SG said they were willing to pay.
There was never any follow up from the perps with proof of life, which is what SG asked for.
 
  • #36,747
I have no clue if he's an accepted source here but I find him to be incredibly rude in the rare live feed I've listened to and will not watch any of his videos.
I've interacted with Hughes in the past and agree.
 
  • #36,748
Mods I hope it’s okay to say this. It is not a criticism of anyone. I will report my post so that mods can view it, since I am often misunderstood.

I would like to hear more from the Guthrie family. Nothing scripted. Maybe raw anger that confirms rumors that authorities are not working together, maybe putting some fire under them.

Or, maybe they could give a statement, not scripted, of total confidence in where the investigation is headed and their support of authorities. It’s 21 days out and we have only seen scripted statements and the one video of Savannah expressing her belief that everyone has good in them.

I would like to believe Nancy is safe and alive.

It seems something is very “off” here.
Personally, I don't think anything is "off," except for the huge fact that NG was kidnapped and is likely to be deceased. I realize that others may feel differently.

Statements by the family lead to lots of media coverage, but also to many accusations, which may be why they aren't making them. I think every family responds to such a situation differently.

I realize that though the Sheriff said members of the family and their spouses were cleared, some may not believe that. Of course, sometimes new info changes things. But I'll leave that to LE. As far as I'm concerned, and I believe as far as Websleuths site is concerned, they are victims of this crime.

I realize that the lack of a resolution in this case is very frustrating. I worry that there may be a tendency to take that out on the family or on LE (not that either is necessarily perfect). Just to be clear, I'm trying to make a general point about trends in this thread, more than responding to the above post.

JMO
 
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Today street in front of NG home is now one way and msm have been told no cars parked on the street so just tents. This change seems random given some are packing up anyway...but some are speculating that the family may be coming to the house today. I think that would make some sense. Keep the story moving at a quiet time in the investigation.
"The Pima County Department of Transportation, at the request of Catalina Foothills Estates Neighborhood Association residents, and in coordination with the Pima County Sheriff’s Department and Rural Metro Fire, is temporarily restricting the direction of travel on Camino Escalante to eliminate or reduce parking and traffic congestion related to the investigation of the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, mother of NBC “Today Show” anchor Savannah Guthrie."

More at link: Transportation
 
  • #36,750
Investigation IMO has been problematic.

Cessna aircraft is outfitted with high-resolution thermal imaging cameras capable of detecting heat signatures in rugged terrain. After argument, sheriff had re-assigned pilot to ground duty. No one else could fly plane. Valuable time lost.
NG home area searched, then left. Neighbor alerted missed roof cameras.
Home area not off limits yet revisited by investigators.
Pizza delivery guy walked right into investigation.
Rio Rico man detained because of Door Dash/door broken down. Nothing.
Nearby mother/son home searched. Why? Nothing.
Man/home searched wth no evidence except he was previously in prison.
Found glove revealed no results.
Backpack currently no evidence.
APS left card left in door.
No requests for "people" organized searches for NG.
No ground searches of desert near Tucson.
Reward has not yet worked.
NG not found. Criminal(s) not found. Bitcoin continual demanders not found.
What has a search with no results cost so far?
this is mostly fair, IMO.
 
  • #36,751
Since LE determined that a crime was committed in NG's disappearance their priorities instantly shifted from finding a missing person to finding the culprit or culprits who caused the person to go missing. Indeed, the location of the missing person or the grief of the family becomes secondary or even tertiary to identifying and successfully prosecuting the culprit or culprits. So if they thought that paying a ransom would've impeded the identification and prosecution of the perp(s), even if it meant a strong chance of successful reunion of victim with family, they would've probably dissuaded family from paying.

Heck, until they saw a masked man on her front porch they appeared to have not taken the ransom angle very seriously at all, and perhaps even had tunnel vision on a member or members of her family. That bias likely costed them valuable time and resources, and if the case grows cold that will be the primary reason it does, IMO.

JMO.
 
  • #36,752
I think we are done here until an arrest or discovery of Nancy.
 
  • #36,753
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I could almost bet they are being told what to say and what not to say by FBI Profilers or someone else. With SG resources, she is no dummy and probably called in favors as soon as this happened. No doubt.
 
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  • #36,754
Totally disagree with this. They WERE allowed to walk up to the door and leave the amazon package and the card. The media was there, they saw it, it was after that, that some of the media decided to walk up there themselves and take photos/videos. The house was released to the family on the Monday after her disappearance, Feb 2nd.


It is unclear whose blood it is, but it is being tested. Investigators and analysts combed through Guthrie's Tucson, Arizona, home in search of clues to the 84-year-old's disappearance. During a news conference on Tuesday, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said the house was turned back over to the family on Monday.


LE was informed that Nancy was missing at 12:03 p.m. Sunday afternoon.

Nanos said his team processed the scene for about 20 hours.

That would mean LE had finished processing that scene Monday morning around 8:00 a.m. - If they worked overnight.
 
  • #36,755
Since LE determined that a crime was committed in NG's disappearance their priorities instantly shifted from finding a missing person to finding the culprit or culprits who caused the person to go missing. Indeed, the location of the missing person or the grief of the family becomes secondary or even tertiary to identifying and successfully prosecuting the culprit or culprits. So if they thought that paying a ransom would've impeded the identification and prosecution of the perp(s), even if it meant a strong chance of successful reunion of victim with family, they would've probably dissuaded family from paying.
my understanding is there would or should have been two investigations, one missing person's and one aimed at the crime. and that given a choice between getting the missing person back alive and solving the crime the protocol is absolutely to prioritize saving the missing persion.
Heck, until they saw a masked man on her front porch they appeared to have not taken the ransom angle very seriously and had tunnel vision on a member or members of her family. That bias likely costed them valuable time and resources, and if the case grows cold that will be the primary reason is does, IMO.

JMO.
 
  • #36,756
Blood drops could be from wrist / forearm area. One photo of her shows a bandage on her wrist forearm area. If someone grabbed her arm and led her out of the residence, they could have broken the skin under the bandage, hence the drops of blood.
The blood seems to be a nose bleed pattern. If it was her arm, it would likely trickle down her arm first. The drops would be larger and not as round.
 
  • #36,757
Welcome @Old Jim .

I tend to agree with this theory, makes no sense to go to the front door unless you were expecting someone on other side to open for you. Or you had opened it from inside already.

I listened to Gray Hughes today and he had similar theory as yours.

Gray Hughes is an approved source
 
  • #36,758
Maybe I missed it here but trucks are now putting up barriers on the street in front of and near NG home. Why at this time 3 weeks later? Anyone really know.?
 
  • #36,759
  • #36,760
Personally, I don't think anything is "off," except for the huge fact that NG was kidnapped and is likely to be deceased. I realize that others may feel differently.

Statements by the family lead to lots of media coverage, but also to many accusations, which may be why they aren't making them. I think every family responds to such a situation differently.

I realize that though the Sheriff said members of the family and their spouses were cleared, some may not believe that. Of course, sometimes new info changes things. But I'll leave that to LE. As far as I'm concerned, and I believe as far as Websleuths site is concerned, they are victims of this crime.

I realize that the lack of a resolution in this case is very frustrating. I worry that there may be a tendency to take that out on the family or on LE (not that either is necessarily perfect). Just to be clear, I'm trying to make a general point about trends in this thread, more than responding to the above post.

JMO
I agree with you and I’m not talking about the family when I say something is off. I feel terrible for them. Something seems off in the way the case is being handled. I will be the first to admit I don’t know how to handle the case. I’m just praying for Nancy.
 

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