AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Soccer Hooligan]

I respectfully disagree.

I do too. Our major city’s network was hacked. IMO - just anything can be.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

He should have used the lab at Quantico Va-- I would trust the FBI lab more than a lab in Florida

If you watched BE's interview with CeCe Moore, she had stated that she's worked with the lab in Florida and has confidence the lab can get the job done and that it is a good lab. In most if not all investigative genetic genealogy cases, that have been solved---its been by a private lab and not the FBI lab.

So, we should not knock the expertise of the FL lab, because in my opinion, it appears they may have 2 male DNA profiles they are trying to separate.

To understand this better, here is an article which does a good job explaining it. While the whole article is a good one to read, if you scroll all the way to bottom it explains forensic significance.

Y chromosome Definition and Examples - Biology Online Dictionary

The Y chromosome is one of the 2 human sex chromosomes involved in the determination of biologically male sex and manifestation of the male attributes. Learn more and take the quiz!

www.biologyonline.com

 

[Trish51]

I wish Tim Miller and Equusearch would come in. I know it’s hard area to be searched - but he’s the man - imo.

I doubt this Sheriff would allow it. It’ll be interesting what happens today with search party.

 

[Lebowski]

This theory was briefly touched on earlier but not talked about much. I'm thinking more that the criminals found the wrong house, that this was a robbery attempt related to the gem show. The Tucson gem show is HUGE, draws from all over the U.S. It is from mid-January through mid-February. The dates/timing is right.

I lived in Tucson for a while, have been there. It is open to the public, part is by invitation, part is in buildings, part is under tents. Anyway, the gem neighbor would have had real cash, would have had a home safe, a place to store valuables.

this would fit the theory of burglary/robbery aimed at something specific.

edit: though I don't know why they would take her with them

 

[BigCityAccountant]

MOO - I am certainly no expert on DNA and not saying I have any knowledge or insight to suggest what specifically makes this separation complicated but here’s what came to my mind when i heard this. Separating mixed DNA can be complicated by several things including whether or not it is transfer DNA and what percent of the sample each person contributed. But one of the things that could also make it more complex is the possibility of the contributors being related to one another which really complicates separating each individual’s dna because they would have multiple shared markers. Many of us have long suspected multiple perps were involved in abducting NG. If there were two of them and they were brothers and each contributed equally to the sample they would share about 50% of their DNA in the sample which would be more complex to separate and if one contributed significantly more DNA to the sample than the other I would think that might make it even more challenging to separate and come up with 2 distinct DNA profiles of 2 unknown individuals. And what if there was a 3rd contributor? And what if that person was a cousin of the other 2 meaning there would also be shared markers but about half as much? I think of it like sorting socks - if I have identical twins it’s pretty easy to match them. If I have some black ones and some white ones, it’s pretty easy to separate them. But if I have several pairs of black socks which are slightly different in their designs it is more complicated to separate them. Not necessarily impossible but certainly means I have to take more time and a closer look to do so. A lab has to take a closer look at mixed DNA and perhaps use more than one method of separating the sample and use different - more expensive - equipment. Again MOO

Very well said and love the anology.

 

[SMK777]

Nancy Guthrie investigators issue cryptic 6-word update on blood-covered clothing

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/199958/nancy-guthrie-bloodied-glove-updates?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

 

[Napoli]

I remember in the Delphi case, one tip that came in, was entered into the database and was missed for years. Thus the delay in identifying the perp. I believe it was due to who it was reported to, how it was entered, sorted, cataloged or something to that effect. JMO because I didn't follow that case in depth so I'm going off memory.

When I read the headline about LE telling people to stop calling 911 with their suggestions, opinions, theories, or whatever they were speculating on, it made me think of how the tips are being tracked.

In this case the sheer volume of tips have to be entered into software, at least I would think so. I know from working in Excel for decades, sorting data and putting it into tables and picking pieces out to put into a chart, is very involved.

I wonder if they have people entering the information, someone verifying it was not only entered, but entered accurately and sorted and maintained with proper spellings of names, streets, etc. It has to be overwhelming and very stressful on the data team.

Good post. I was trying to address this yesterday. Pretend I am one of these average everyday citizens who "see things". Not a psychic who does card readings etc. for profit, just a person who gets "flashes" I'm not, just pretending for the sake of explanation for this post.. However, these people exist. So, I call up. I give them my "theory" I don't say.."sometimes I see things". My call will go into the nutso, not to be followed or believed, pile. Who sorts out credible vs psychic vs possible, etc? I believe the name of the perp has already been called in. It exists in one of those data sheets. It was NOT considered actionable. If the DNA becomes a dead end, then this case will grow cold. manpower of the amount needed in an ongoing basis just wont be available. JMO

 

[aamillaa]

Maybe??
This could tie the ransom note in (someone familiar with tech, etc). If you’re not familiar, “investigations suggest that its members' misanthropic worldview and sadistic tendencies are more significant drivers, with group dynamics playing a key role in further radicalization. Members of 764 frequently adopt the corresponding symbolism but are primarily described as being motivated by sadism”

Been active for a few years and lots of crimes that don’t really connect other than violence.


I randomly stumbled on an article about this cult early on in this investigation and it hasn’t left my mind.

Picture below of one of their many, many crimes.
MOO

764 (organization) - Wikipedia

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025588709438132645

 

[FaviousM]

Never expected that search to be anything other than a few folks who want to at least do something to help find NG. Though it seems like it's almost as much for attention than it is to find NG. IMO

 

[scandiamerican]

This theory was briefly touched on earlier but not talked about much. I'm thinking more that the criminals found the wrong house, that this was a robbery attempt related to the gem show. The Tucson gem show is HUGE, draws from all over the U.S. It is from mid-January through mid-February. The dates/timing is right.

I lived in Tucson for a while, have been there. It is open to the public, part is by invitation, part is in buildings, part is under tents. Anyway, the gem neighbor would have had real cash, would have had a home safe, a place to store valuables.

I don’t typically follow cases closely, so perhaps I’m just clueless. Aren’t those kinds of burglaries typically in the daytime? Why would they come equipped heavily for someone to be at home?

 

[hotchilli]

Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.k
I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...

There was a case in the UK where TV presenter Holly Willoughby was targeted in a kidnap and murder plot, but the guy was arrested before he could carry it out - she was the presenter of This Morning a day time show. She's a similar level of celebrity as SG so this was major news.

Story here.

Holly Willoughby: Gavin Plumb guilty in kidnap and murder plot

Gavin Plumb created a tool kit for sexual violence against the TV star to fulfil an "ultimate fantasy".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Just in case you didn't listen to this podcast. Cece Moore w/ Parabon is Ashleigh's guest and really explains the blood evidence and states that Nanos made a great choice in the lab because the lab can do all types of analysis, unlike the FBI's lab. Really important listen. She states the first person to make a statement against his choice owned a competing lab.

Also, Ashleigh states that a source told her the blood pattern outside was the same inside.

 

[Marzipan]

This theory was briefly touched on earlier but not talked about much. I'm thinking more that the criminals found the wrong house, that this was a robbery attempt related to the gem show. The Tucson gem show is HUGE, draws from all over the U.S. It is from mid-January through mid-February. The dates/timing is right.

I lived in Tucson for a while, have been there. It is open to the public, part is by invitation, part is in buildings, part is under tents. Anyway, the gem neighbor would have had real cash, would have had a home safe, a place to store valuables.

How on earth would they do all the planning for a gem and cash heist, getting to know the address and property, and get the wrong house?
I do not believe this happened, nor SA, nor any of these theories. They abducted Nancy Guthrie as they planned to do, whether for ransom or for murder for another reason.
The only possibility I see for this is if NG and gem guy were close and they believed he trusted her to keep something in her safe for him (if we are sure she had a safe).
I haven’t been following much since there’s been so much excessive criticism about the sheriff (I scroll and roll until I finally just stop bothering to come here at all). So I may have missed it and have to ask: What happened with the white van? Was it identified as a lock and safe company that had good reason to be there or is it of interest? Would appreciate any update about that.

 

[Laura Avery]

At least shes on Namus..I missed this The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[GatorFL]

Yes. Someone asked if sexual assault would leave DNA off body. Well it likely would. But his backpack appears to contain tarps.
One goes under the victim.

This was so preventable. For example, she was just one loved German shepherd away from safety…

Not a chance somebody in her physical state could handle a German Shepherd. JMO

 

[Trino]

I don’t typically follow cases closely, so perhaps I’m just clueless. Aren’t those kinds of burglaries typically in the daytime? Why would they come equipped heavily for someone to be at home?

No idea why, but the question as to why they would they go after NG has not been answered either.

 

[Trino]

How on earth would they do all the planning for a gem and cash heist, getting to know the address and property, and get the wrong house?
I do not believe this happened, nor SA, nor any of these theories. They abducted Nancy Guthrie as they planned to do, whether for ransom or for murder for another reason.
The only possibility I see for this is if NG and gem guy were close and they believed he trusted her to keep something in her safe for him (if we are sure she had a safe).
I haven’t been following much since there’s been so much excessive criticism about the sheriff (I scroll and roll until I finally just stop bothering to come here at all). So I may have missed it and have to ask: What happened with the white van? Was it identified as a lock and safe company that had good reason to be there or is it of interest? Would appreciate any update about that.

A fresh look at this theory? The Gem Show has IMO always had "an element." This show brings in 65,000 outsiders. Here's a quote and source:

"On February 16, 2026, vendors at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show reported the theft of a prized “native gold” specimen from the Harvard collection, housed in a Riker mount box. Security video captured a person in white attire swiftly removing it at 4:02 PM, with screenshots circulating widely on social media. Observers noted striking similarities to Guthrie’s intruder: flat nose profile, facial hair, shoe style, and average build, despite the different clothing." Source: mebaneenterprise.com Feb 16, 2026.

And from a poster: "I went to the gem show last week; lots of very expensive jewels being sold but also quite a few shady looking ‘shoppers’ there. Nancy’s house is not easy to get to; dark roads winding thru the hills so maybe it was the wrong house."

 

[Napoli]

Brian Entin’s latest will make @Napoli very happy.

See! I think like an FBI profiler! I get NO RESPECT! lol Thanks for posting. My unhinged, lovesick, delusional stalker is a viable theory! So THERE! lol JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

From interview aired on NBC Saturday 2/21:

Investigators press ahead nearly three weeks on from Nancy Guthrie's disappearance

Asked about his message to Guthrie's family, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said: "We're not quitting."

www.nbcnews.com

I found something interesting: apparently separating DNA is not new but there are many variables that can complicate it. This AI summary was very helpful to me. It becomes more difficult with more than 2 contributors, small amounts of DNA, degraded DNA, and equal amounts of DNA contributed by multiple people. Now I'm concerned the decision to send the samples to FL could end up making the case go cold.

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