AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Ghostwheel]

Me too. What was the covert phrase?

In that article, linked several quotes above, is another link to another article and another link to another article that the word "celebrate" was considered a "covert phrase". It was something like "Release her and we will celebrate together". There were so many phrases that had to have more than one meaning or were specific to something in the notes, IMO.

 

[aafromaa]

Dude, we're no longer trusting of anything you say.

Unfortunately I do not think we can trust anything anyone says about this case.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Isn't it possible that LE/Sheriff has a primary suspect(s) but don't have enough physical evidence to arrest them? Search warrants are one thing if LE feared NG was captive in a home, but arresting someone without enough concrete evidence like DNA, weapon, body will jeopardize the case. -- And on this note, isn't it possible the release of the various photos is a way to spook a suspect or accomplice to think they have more evidence than they actually do?

 

[Donswife48]

Help is on the way: United Cajun Navy plans to help search for Nancy Guthrie

Nancy Guthrie, the mother of TODAY show host, Savannah Guthrie, has been missing for three weeks.

www.wdsu.com

The United Cajun Navy is assisting in the search for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of TODAY show host, Savannah Guthrie.

The United Cajun Navy confirms to WDSU there are search and rescue crew members on the way to Tucson.

*Edit to add quotes

I'm glad to read that the United Cajun Navy is searching because family and friends asked them to. MOO

 

[LarryLujack]

Isn't it possible that LE/Sheriff has a primary suspect(s) but don't have enough physical evidence to arrest them? Search warrants are one thing if LE feared NG was captive in a home, but arresting someone without enough concrete evidence like DNA, weapon, body will jeopardize the case. -- And on this note, isn't it possible the release of the various photos is a way to spook a suspect or accomplice to think they have more evidence than they actually do?

Seems like speculation

 

[cady]

Unfortunately I do not think we can trust anything anyone says about this case.

I'm more inclined to believe the sheriff, than Patel. JMO

 

[agnesgrey]

Brian Entin for sheriff!

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

So I was doing some research, and I think the image of Lantana Man without the backpack wasn't recovered from Google's backend servers, but might have been recovered from Nancy's phone.

The reason I suspect this is if you look at the image, it is of lower quality (and smaller image size) in comparison to the still images from the Nest footage. If Nest sends push notifications with an image attached (which I believe it does), then the image could have shown up temporarily on Nancy's phone via notifications before it was overwritten a few hours later by other notifcations coming in on Nancy's phone. Because she didn't have a subscription, she wouldn't be able to check (or even be aware) what that notification was. However, because the image showed briefly on her phone as a thumbnail, it could have been saved--but in a place that she probably never looked, the cache. But someone with some technical knowledge would be able to find these thumbnails, and there might even be more of Lantana Man we didn't see.

Similiar methods have been done before. In the case of Cari Farver, LE was able to recover thumbnail images off of Liz Goylar's (her convicted murderer's) wiped SD card. One of the small thumbnail images appeared to be a part of Cari's body, and probably helped with Liz Goylar's conviction.

I wouldn't be surprised LE has more, but they are probably small 'thumbnail style' images from Nancy's notifications, similar to the one where he is without his backpack. They might have been holding back on sharing them because they would only be still images, with few identifying features. It was only when they were able to recover video from Google's backend they felt like they had enough to share. JMO.

Thanks, @Chainspell! This makes a lot of sense. So if from different retrieval sources, dates may NOT be known for sure.

 

[Ghostwheel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026136438278951188

Interesting turn of phrase. Speculation defined by the Oxford dictionary is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

I always have to wonder if someone isn't speculating, is their mind open or closed to all possibilities that are not ruled out? In this case, this MIGHT be more than one night or MIGHT be more than one person and both are valid speculations because neither has been ruled out definitively.

 

[TIGER0822]

These are the supported facts:

LD and his mother's home was raided by federal SWAT due to a federal judge issuing a federal search warrant that requires the highest threshold of probable cause to obtain.

LD and his mother, a trained medical provider who may or may not still practice, were detained along with one more person. This was confirmed publicly by LD's attorney.

Even though a denial was issued by said attorney, as all attorneys tend to do for their clients, LE has not cleared LD nor anyone associated with that particular SWAT raid and federal warrant.

The RR LD was driving was seized and is reportedly still being processed for evidence related to this case.

LD has a known felony record and extensive criminal past.


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JMO.

Now you have me! I am fascinated.

 

[Chainspell]

Thanks, @Chainspell! This makes a lot of sense. So if from different retrieval sources, dates may NOT be known for sure.

Cached images from the phone should still be able to give a date. I just think the Sheriff/LE doesn't want the second date floating around publicly, for whatever reason. JMO.

 

[warp3dwing]

Thanks, @Chainspell! This makes a lot of sense. So if from different retrieval sources, dates may NOT be known for sure.

I'm having trouble understanding how the image wouldn't at least have a 'file created' datetime attached to it. If it came from Nancy's iPhone, Apple extended metadata is quite robust. If it was carved from some hard drive at Nest, then it might not have the original metadata. I've seen both circumstances when carving images from raw data.

 

[SlimPickens]

These are the supported facts:

LD and his mother's home was raided by federal SWAT due to a federal judge issuing a federal search warrant that requires the highest threshold of probable cause to obtain.

LD and his mother, a trained medical provider who may or may not still practice, were detained along with one more person. This was confirmed publicly by LD's attorney.

Even though a denial was issued by said attorney, as all attorneys tend to do for their clients, LE has not cleared LD nor anyone associated with that particular SWAT raid and federal warrant.

The RR LD was driving was seized and is reportedly still being processed for evidence related to this case.

LD has a known felony record and extensive criminal past.


<modsnip>

JMO.

Building on this, a potential theory could be that LE perhaps compiled profiles that had a son living at home with mom, and that since LD has the criminal past and mindset to likely conjure up a plan to kidnap NG for ransom, and since LD's mother would have the expertise to support her medical care while in captivity, that they could have executed this crime.

That theory alone isn't enough to facilitate a federal search warrant, so there must have been compelling evidence to support the belief that LD, and perhaps even his mother as witting or unwitting accomplice, probably knew about and/or took part in this crime.

JMO.

 

[stmichael]

Now you have me! I am fascinated.

And have you seen Luke's eyes?

 

[TIGER0822]

Building on this, a potential theory could be that LE perhaps compiled profiles that had a son living at home with mom, and that since LD has the criminal past and mindset to likely conjure up a plan to kidnap NG for ransom, and since LD's mother would have the expertise to support her medical care while in captivity, that they could have executed this crime.

That theory alone isn't enough to facilitate a federal search warrant, so there must have been compelling evidence to support the belief that LD, and perhaps even his mother as witting or unwitting accomplice, probably knew about and/or took part in this crime.

JMO.

This is wild. And they were so confident maybe, that they had a vehicle privacy screen ready out of an abundance of caution?

 

[aafromaa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026136438278951188

So either the sheriff isn’t up to date on the info the “source(s)” shared with various media outlets today or the media needs to get better sources. Either way I still don’t know what to think.

 

[Moonchime]

This is such a good question. So do we know which night they attempted to cover the camera. Even without a subscription, would Nancy have gotten an alert that motion was detected and been able to check it?? I'm so confused.

Yes, you still receive an alert even if you don't have a subscription. It just doesn't get saved in the Cloud. If this case has taught me anything, it is that I'm paying for a subscription now.

 

[LRinCA]

BE now relaying the same information:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026143597868015976

 

[TIGER0822]

BE now relaying the same information:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026143597868015976

Odd reply!

 

[Moonchime]

This case is odd but me thinks the sheriff isn't as dumb as people are making him out to be...

Hopefully, you're right about him.