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A federal official says "the FBI and Pima County Sheriffs Office have amassed 5-10 thousand hours of video that is being processed" in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. Although tools can enhance video, each must be reviewed by an investigator in real time to start.

 
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A federal official says "the FBI and Pima County Sheriffs Office have amassed 5-10 thousand hours of video that is being processed" in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. Although tools can enhance video, each must be reviewed by an investigator in real time to start.

This is what NBC Nightly News said as well. The clip is posted above.
 
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I don't recall having seen the 2:12 am time before?! Is that something new?
Must be referring to this:

“2:12 a.m.: The camera software detected a person on camera, but no video is available, the sheriff said. "They had no subscription and therefore it would rewrite itself, kind of -- it just kind of loops right and covers up," the sheriff said. "That's what our analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that." The sheriff said there were multiple cameras at the home.”

I believe this was stated before the masked man images and video was released by the FBI.

jmo

 
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These two things seem to be opposite? Right? What in the world with all these “sources” and flip flop stories! And WHY publish things BEFORE LE can see them!
It does all seem a bit disingenuous. The whiplash continues.
 
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What if they panicked after she startled them and she was injured? At that point all they wanted to do was the cover up, plus they couldn't pawn anything from her home after that.
I don’t think the evidence points to this at all, respectfully. I don’t think you would bust a front door camera, then enter a back door, if you’re just looking to loot a home. They didn’t need to use the front door at all for a burglary. The other cameras would’ve showed motion before, even without a subscription, but they didn’t. The timeline suggests the perp went to the front door first to disable the doorbell camera. MOO
Also, why not burglarize a home when the owner is not there? Not wait for them to be sleeping and risk them waking up or needing to subdue them. It just seems far too risky. MOO
 
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I'm beginning to think the simplest explanation is probably the best explanation. These were a couple of guys who burglarize homes in this area, that got caught off guard by someone in the dark and injured her, perhaps fatally. They wrapped her up in a tarp or blanket to control or conceal her. One ran out to get the vehicle, the other went out front to remove the camera so the car could pull up, They went back in thru back and carried her wrapped body out the front door. I'm thinking in a tarp now because it would allow blood to drip. Perhaps there was no plan and they just got in too deep during a burglary? I am behind in reading posts so apologize if this is a redundant theory.
From what I am reading here, I think a number of people are thinking along the same lines. It was a robbery or kidnapping gone wrong. So a business crime that did not go the way it was intended.

Some others are thinking a personal crime. NG was specifically targeted for some reason.
 
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I can't figure out if the home owner alerted LE along with the media or just alerted the media saying basically "they never asked me".

At what point did they decide to review their video anyway?
LE cant go door to door. People work. LE comes to my door. I'm at work. Wasted trip through the neighborhood for LE. Go door to door at night? Perhaps??? General request through local media, Please check your doorbell cameras etc. Most coverage possible with little effort. Homes on NG's street, sure. Do you have to allow them access to my camera? I dunno. As far as being confronted door to door vs general pleas for footage, I would say this. Stop waiting for an invitation. If you have something , say something.

Considering the way online sleuths, pod casters etc have defamed people who "might" be tangentially connected to NG, would YOU want to even enter this arena? We can all say we would do the right thing BUT what's the right thing for you and yours? JMO
 
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Must be referring to this:

“2:12 a.m.: The camera software detected a person on camera, but no video is available, the sheriff said. "They had no subscription and therefore it would rewrite itself, kind of -- it just kind of loops right and covers up," the sheriff said. "That's what our analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that." The sheriff said there were multiple cameras at the home.”

I believe this was stated before the masked man images and video was released by the FBI.

jmo

1:47am was the time stamp on the doorbell video and when it was disabled/removed
The 2:12am was motion detected without video, but it wasn’t the doorbell camera, because that was busted off already. It was most likely one from the back.
2:28am pacemaker loses connection to phone
 

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Daytime thieves are a different breed than nighttime burglars, especially armed ones. Going into a home that is occupied is another level of brazen and motive.

JMO
What is the thought process of the night time robber? Why not go during the day when people are not home typically?

Why take the higher risk level going into an occupied home. Killing someone even accidentally when committing a robbery is felony murder.
 
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I don’t think the evidence points to this at all, respectfully. I don’t think you would bust a front door camera, then enter a back door, if you’re just looking to loot a home. They didn’t need to use the front door at all for a burglary. The other cameras would’ve showed motion before, even without a subscription, but they didn’t. The timeline suggests the perp went to the front door first to disable the doorbell camera. MOO
Also, why not burglarize a home when the owner is not there? Not wait for them to be sleeping and risk them waking up or needing to subdue them. It just seems far too risky. MOO
Perhaps they needed the home owner there? To unlock a safe, or hand over passwords, etc.
 
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The burglary thing loses a bit of validity if nothing in the home was taken. JMO
Unless there was an altercation and the robbery was interrupted. What are the thieves looking for? Can they grab it quickly and run?
 
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A federal official says "the FBI and Pima County Sheriffs Office have amassed 5-10 thousand hours of video that is being processed" in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. Although tools can enhance video, each must be reviewed by an investigator in real time to start.

I believe this 100%. A few weeks after the January 1 attack on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, an FBI agent contacted us for footage from our exterior cameras (house is about 2 blocks away from where the attack occurred). Even though LE had their guy, they got months of footage leading up to the incident. It is one thing to read about what they're doing in the news — like are they really — completely different to witness it for a fact.
 
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LE cant go door to door. People work. LE comes to my door. I'm at work. Wasted trip through the neighborhood for LE. Go door to door at night? Perhaps??? General request through local media, Please check your doorbell cameras etc. Most coverage possible with little effort. Homes on NG's street, sure. Do you have to allow them access to my camera? I dunno. As far as being confronted door to door vs general pleas for footage, I would say this. Stop waiting for an invitation. If you have something , say something.

Considering the way online sleuths, pod casters etc have defamed people who "might" be tangentially connected to NG, would YOU want to even enter this arena? We can all say we would do the right thing BUT what's the right thing for you and yours? JMO
I have no issue with LE here. I don't expect them to go door to door in a neighborhood that isn't NG's. My issue is the home owner found the suspicious footage their camera recorded and instead of going straight to LE to let them process it they went to the media and made a statement that they were never asked to review their video which IMO was a slam at LE. Why not just let LE know and forget contacting the media?
 
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I wonder if the resident who has the new roadway footage already had submitted it to LE. However, they decided to take matters into their own hands releasing it to the media, because they hadn’t heard back? With 10,000+ hours of footage to comb through, I’m sure it’s a long, grueling process. For all we know they could be sitting on a smoking gun that they haven’t got to yet. I’m unsure protocol for reviewing footage? MOO

I’m suddenly getting Delphi murder vibes when they had “the tip” all along. 😵‍💫
 
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Yes!


I'm not as savvy as many

Here is what I often do:
  • Leave it in the living room
  • Turn it off
  • Forget to charge it
Main reason, to have my phone next to my bed:
  • Alarm
I'm retired...
Ha! I used to have mine on at night until I had a complete conversation with my physician while asleep. It was around 9:00P & I wasn’t expecting him to call me so late. I was too embarrassed to ask at my next appointment what we talked about.
 
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I wonder if the resident who has the new roadway footage already had submitted it to LE. However, they decided to take matters into their own hands releasing it to the media, because they hadn’t heard back? With 10,000+ hours of footage to comb through, I’m sure it’s a long, grueling process. For all we know they could be sitting on a smoking gun that they haven’t got to yet. I’m unsure protocol for reviewing footage? MOO

I’m suddenly getting Delphi murder vibes when they had “the tip” all along. 😵‍💫
That seems possible but then why is LE at their house now? Unless that report is wrong.

EDIT: typo
 
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I could imagine criminal carrying her out of the door over his shoulder face down, feet first so he's in front of the blood and not going to step in it unless he backs up.
That's a standard fireman's carry, I think.
 
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That seems possible but then why is LE at there house now? Unless that report is wrong.
Because they realize it’s valuable footage that’s already narrowed down to time and date. It’s not just sitting in the stack of 10,000 hours waiting to be viewed KWIM?
There also maybe more footage they want or see if it’s not there dvr saved.
 
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