Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[maskedwoman]

Well if there was no vehicle-the offender(s) led/carried a150 lb woman to….where?

Very early in the investigation, Border Patrol sent units containing arguably the best trackers in the world. They couldn’t track a guy carrying a human, or an elderly person stumbling through the desert?

And if no vehicle-where did they go?

Regarding cameras creating security…

Do they prevent an offender from breaching a door or opening a window? No.

Do they prevent an intruder from laying hands on you? No.

Do they physically defeat the intruder? No.

Cameras create good feelings.
And they can help catch your rapist/muderer/torturer after the fact.
And that’s all folks.

Good morning! You are quite right. I don't for one minute think they carried her and per SG she wasn't capable of walking very far either. So, even if they forced her to walk at first, they would have ended up carrying her, unless the walking killed her. Given that the dogs found nothing and the blood drops end just below the porch, it seems reasonable there had to be a vehicle of some kind. MOO

 

[cherryleaf]

I have the same questions, something isn’t right about this. Also, why did LE spend hours at their home and taking pictures in the garage? Maybe LE took financial records that were relevant to people who were hired to work at both of their homes? I wonder if their car having some kind of evidence on it from N’s driveway?

I’m honestly not sure if they have AG car. We have pictures of NG car, CP car, and LD car. When was AG car towed? Where’s a picture of AG car? ( not the one with AG and TC driving) I’ve never been able to find it or much less see it being towed or reported on anywhere on any news site. No sensational headline of -LE TOWS DAUGHTERS CAR- So I ask again, if anyone has a link confirming AG car was towed or a picture of it being towed I’d like to see it please. I said it a few days ago as well but, I honestly don’t know if they even have AG car? Also, If they do actually have it why isn’t a picture of that available in some form like all the others? Idk. Moo

 

[No it's not]

I noticed a couple of things that gave me a weird vibe Towards the beginning of the video, SG is seen in the desert. I wonder exactly where? Did perp study this video? Could perp HAVE PUT NG'S BODY THERE? When her mom went to drink out of the cup, SG said, don't drink the whole thing. Certainly something I would have thought they would have edited out..just odd. Someone said to SG you are a "daughter of the desert".

ugh... moo

Key Locations in the Segment:

• Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum: Featured for its desert landscape and wildlife.
• Saguaro National Park: Highlighted for its iconic desert scenery.
• University of Arizona: Her alma mater.
• El Charro Cafe: A downtown restaurant.
• Murals: Public art by Joe Pagac.

-Nin

 

[su5ie]

I have listened to many podcasts on this case and heard probably over 2 dozen experts weigh in. Ex FBI, LE, etc etc.

The single thing that astounds ALL of them most is LE not taking the doormat away for further testing. Have yet to hear anyone that is not troubled by that.

They came back and took the Nest bracket after the video surfaced.....seems like that would have been the perfect opportunity to take the doormat as well. You would think.

I feel the most astonishing mistake in all of this case is not sealing the whole house as a crime scene from the get go

At one stage media could trapeze all over the property, right up to the front porch when as far as I recall one of which could take the photograph of the blood splatter image we all reference

Flora can be used by forensics to gauge which direction a perp walked ,a broken twig , a bend blade of desert grass , the lantana pollen spores on a perps clothing, the pattern in which they landed can ascertain whether he was the one who covered the camera

All possible evidence that could be gathered from her garden and porch alone was contaminated the minute , the adult services card was left sticking out of her door and the delivery guy left the package not to mention the stampede of people rubbernecking and pizza delivery guy

For such a high profile case of a celebrity's mum there was a massive error in not ensuring the crime scene remained pristine and yes the doormat 100% should have been bagged as evidence, along with quite possibly the barred safety door imo

 

[wibbleflea]

I’m honestly not sure if they have AG car. We have pictures of NG car, CP car, and LD car. When was AG car towed? Where’s a picture of AG car? ( not the one with AG and TC driving) I’ve never been able to find it or much less see it being towed or reported on anywhere on any news site. No sensational headline of -LE TOWS DAUGHTERS CAR- So I ask again, if anyone has a link confirming AG car was towed or a picture of it being towed I’d like to see it please. I said it a few days ago as well but, I honestly don’t know if they even have AG car? Also, If they do actually have it why isn’t a picture of that available in some form like all the others? Idk. Moo

They have it. The car that the sheriff was asked about in the second press conference was AG’s. He said they had the car “from the home”, which sounded ambiguous, but it was before NG’s car was towed, days later. I think it was done on day one or day two, before there was as much video coverage. Briana Whitney followed up a few days ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026814821946241077

And again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027522352968610295

 

[Napoli]

Key Locations in the Segment:

• Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum: Featured for its desert landscape and wildlife.
• Saguaro National Park: Highlighted for its iconic desert scenery.
• University of Arizona: Her alma mater.
• El Charro Cafe: A downtown restaurant.
• Murals: Public art by Joe Pagac.

Ty. That segment aired in November 2025, right? My thought process went to "while it might be routine footage" showing this part of Arizona and Sg connections, it may have been studied by the perp as almost a pilgrimage path for him. Places to visit. Places to incorporate in his crime. JMO

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Interesting article from Vulture that focuses on profiling of the perp in this case with Mary Ellen O’Toole, Dr. Tyron Pope, a retired New York Police Department sergeant supervisor in the detective squad and assistant professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, and Marlon Marrache, a retired LAPD internal-affairs sergeant and public-information officer.

What Kind of Person Would Kidnap an 84-Year-Old Woman?

Thank you! For those who find it paywalled put address in at archive.ph.

 

[Chypre]

I agree with all three points at the end of your post (respectfully bolded by me); however I have a few twists in that I think the person who was obsessed with SG was not present at the house. I also think the person who was there on the ground and carried out this heinous crime may have been compensated enough to never be tempted by the reward money. Just imo/moo/speculative thoughts from someone with an overactive imagination who watches a lot of old noir movies/streaming series, etc.

They might also be in a situation where managing the reward money itself would cause them to be revealed.

 

[cherryleaf]

They have it. The car that the sheriff was asked about in the second press conference was AG’s. He said they had the car “from the home”, which sounded ambiguous, but it was before NG’s car was towed, days later. I think it was done on day one or day two, before there was as much video coverage. Briana Whitney followed up a few days ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026814821946241077

And again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027522352968610295

Yes. I appreciate the response. They never confirm they have it in their possession…. Just that it’s part of the investigation. It’s very ambiguous and why why why no picture? It’s so strange to me that there’s no photo evidence or picture of what her car even looks like, make model, anything but yet we know what everyone else’s cars look like and have tons of photos available on all of them. It’s just odd. Very odd to me. Moo

 

[katydid23]

It's wild that LE still have the car of a convicted felon still living at home at almost 40 and so many people ignore that but keep accusing a family member without a criminal history who seems to have gotten on well with NG.

It's easily understandable that they would keep the car of the convicted felon if they have not cleared him yet.

It's harder to understand them keeping a family member's car, for much longer, when LE has already said he was cleared. I find it odd.

 

[K9Enzo]

They have it. The car that the sheriff was asked about in the second press conference was AG’s. He said they had the car “from the home”, which sounded ambiguous, but it was before NG’s car was towed, days later. I think it was done on day one or day two, before there was as much video coverage. Briana Whitney followed up a few days ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026814821946241077

And again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027522352968610295

To add to this. All standard, nothing to see here. IMO

A sheriff said a car was processed as part of standard investigative practices as officials continue to investigate Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance.

“The car that was at the home, it’s just standard investigative practices. It’s part of the search warrant scene. The court orders, we pull it out of there and do our scene processing with the vehicle,” Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said at a press conference on Thursday.

Nanos did not state who the car belonged to.

Nancy Guthrie Update: Sheriff Responds After Annie Guthrie Car Sparks Rumor​

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Nancy Guthrie update: Sheriff responds after Annie Guthrie car sparks rumor

A sheriff said a car was processed as part of standard practices as officials continue investigating Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance

www.newsweek.com

 

[Chypre]

With everything that has been theorized, I can't help but go back to the actual scene of the crime. We have no idea about the inside or back of the house. They are keeping that under wraps. But I cannot get over the fact that they basically left the front "as is." They did not take the front doormat for further testing of fibers or blood stains. Perhaps they got all that they needed from just doing something there, but that just doesn't make sense to me. Also, let's not forget, as far as we know, in the beginning they did not have any video of the perp on the front porch, so they would have no idea about why there was Lantana all over the porch. There was blood, so why was not every piece of Lantana picked up and brought into evidence for testing, again for fibers or any DNA that the perp might have left behind, because again, no video means they didn't know he was wearing gloves. Everything should have been removed and brought in for testing, including the Nest bracket, which they originally took, but it was many days later. The actual doorbell is another, they don't know that it was touched.


Again, they might have the most outstanding forensics team in the world, I am just a guy observing from the outside. Perhaps all of that stuff was tested thoroughly, but wouldn't they want to present any of that for evidence later if there was a trial? My last thing that boggles my mind is that it appears that the whole driveway is not really paved, but consists of dirt and maybe rock. I have heard nothing of any testing for tire marks or anything. The whole crime scene is bizarre. BE just walked up filming the blood stains. Pizza delivery guy just walks right up. Elderly care just steps into the blood scene and leaves a card. I have kind of posted all of this before but it just doesn't seem right. I am NOT questioning or bashing LE, it just doesn't make sense to ME.

I think of it like the emergency room. The medical staff focuses on treatment. You go to see a patient and there is still blood and debris on them after going home.

 

[cherryleaf]

To add to this. All standard, nothing to see here. IMO

A sheriff said a car was processed as part of standard investigative practices as officials continue to investigate Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance.

“The car that was at the home, it’s just standard investigative practices. It’s part of the search warrant scene. The court orders, we pull it out of there and do our scene processing with the vehicle,” Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said at a press conference on Thursday.

Nanos did not state who the car belonged to.

Nancy Guthrie Update: Sheriff Responds After Annie Guthrie Car Sparks Rumor​

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PUBLISHED

FEB 05, 2026 AT 05:11 PM EST

Nancy Guthrie update: Sheriff responds after Annie Guthrie car sparks rumor

A sheriff said a car was processed as part of standard practices as officials continue investigating Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance

www.newsweek.com

Exactly, they never confirm it AG car or who even owns it. It’s just ..it’s so odd to me. They just answer and move on, it’s not a topic they seem to want to discuss. Moo

 

[SMK777]

Just remarking re conversation upthread:

If a vehicle is considered part of an investigation, it's pretty clear that it remains in police possession/custody.

 

[cherryleaf]

Just remarking re conversation upthread:

If a vehicle is considered part of an investigation, it's pretty clear that it remains in police possession/custody.

Agree. But the issue for me is that LE has never confirmed its AG car. It was AB that said that. It’s what her “inside” source told her. There’s No pictures, LE deflection and ambiguity , etc. Its weird and odd. Moo

 

[Napoli]

Just remarking re conversation upthread:

If a vehicle is considered part of an investigation, it's pretty clear that it remains in police possession/custody.

But following that line of reasoning, the house would be "possessed" for eons too. We know they are not. So, i dunno. jmo

 

[Shanz]

I feel the most astonishing mistake in all of this case is not sealing the whole house as a crime scene from the get go

At one stage media could trapeze all over the property, right up to the front porch when as far as I recall one of which could take the photograph of the blood splatter image we all reference

Flora can be used by forensics to gauge which direction a perp walked ,a broken twig , a bend blade of desert grass , the lantana pollen spores on a perps clothing, the pattern in which they landed can ascertain whether he was the one who covered the camera

All possible evidence that could be gathered from her garden and porch alone was contaminated the minute , the adult services card was left sticking out of her door and the delivery guy left the package not to mention the stampede of people rubbernecking and pizza delivery guy

For such a high profile case of a celebrity's mum there was a massive error in not ensuring the crime scene remained pristine and yes the doormat 100% should have been bagged as evidence, along with quite possibly the barred safety door imo

Maybe there was no sign of struggle and they got all they could get. No need to keep it but also not wanting public focus back on the family/someone close they just don’t say much.

 

[maskedwoman]

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Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation
But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle











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Given her age and health issues, I would imagine they had a key to her house. It's not uncommon. I believe it's been clarified that the timeline surrounding the Sunday morning phone calls was that they were closer together. They were not at the house for an hour. It was only a few minutes before they called 911. Here is the updated timeline.

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Feb 6, 2026

Timeline

Guthrie family issues message to potential kidnappers: 'We want to talk to you'

Nancy Guthrie is believed to have been abducted in her sleep from her Arizona home early Sunday, authorities said. No suspect or person of interest has been identified in the case.

abc30.com

• Ghostwheel

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We were told friends called the family when she didn't arrive to watch church with them. With this timeline, it is fuzzy (probably intentionally) on exactly when the family was contacted. Possibly to protect the privacy of who called, or to cover for an earlier misspeak that made it seem the family was there for an hour before calling 911. The timing of the 911 call will be a matter of public record so they can't fudge that. The only room for fudging is really when the call came from the church friends.

I really "blame" LE for making AG & TC such a focus for people. If that original timeline had not had them at the house for an hour before calling 911, I don't think that would have happened. MOOooo

 

[cady]

Could there be different DNA from different people who had driven or ridden in AG's car and the DNA results have yet to be returned? jmo

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

I don't know if the car from the Camino Real video footage is still being discussed. It still seems somewhat unclear whether it was related to NG or not. However, there was some talk upthread of it possibly being a Kia Soul and I wanted to throw out another possibility - a Scion xB looks kind of similar to a Kia Soul to me. Just an observation on my end.

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