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Just observed and read this CBS article stating that they arrested someone earlier today that perhaps murdered 3 women, one of them in their 80’s.
No idea if this is relevant to the NG case. Certainly local Tucson Law Enforcement is aware of these crimes.
The Utah investigators traced the suspect through Arizona, Colorado and Utah.


Wouldn't that be something if NG were part of a larger group of abductions.

Very odd, and don't know what to make of it but as you say LE must be aware of the situation.
 
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My point was that everything we know, factually, about the perpetrator is in that video clip. Everything else is just assumption. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course… but it seems like a hyperspecific theory, for so little factual information.
This is the precise reason I flagged it as being MY ASSUMPTION ONLY. I see you're new to Websleuths, but you are allowed to post theories if you mark them JMO, IMO, etc - clearly noting that IT IS NOT A PROVEN FACT. Surely you've noticed all of the theories being discussed?

And as was stated upthread by @The Missing Canoe, we know of at least one convicted perp who was posting here: How amateur web sleuths helped solve the case of missing lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare
 
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I just dont understand why people make fun of the clothes he wore. Is there Kidnapper Couture? He selected common, nondescript garments that can be purchased in various locations perhaps to avoid being detected. What does a sophisticated criminal wear? JMO

It really is utter nonsense isn't it? Lifelong non-criminals - even some prior FBI agents - insisting they are the authority on what is or is not criminal chic, and presenting theories to the world derived whole cloth from their purely aesthetic biases and/or fantasies of what an 'actual criminal' looks like or would wear.

He could've shown up on the porch donning a Hamburglar costume and still no one could deny that this crime was executed with a high degree of precision and 'better than most' sophistication.

I've always been concerned that the assumptions drawn from all of these ex-law enforcement types were the same instinctive inferences drawn by current law enforcement. If so, the belief that this criminal or these criminals isn't/aren't sophisticated is probably why no one has been caught yet.

JMO.
 
  • #42,544
Just observed and read this CBS article stating that they arrested someone earlier today that perhaps murdered 3 women, one of them in their 80’s.
No idea if this is relevant to the NG case. Certainly local Tucson Law Enforcement is aware of these crimes.
The Utah investigators traced the suspect through Arizona, Colorado and Utah.


They caught the suspect it was a young white guy.
 
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Just observed and read this CBS article stating that they arrested someone earlier today that perhaps murdered 3 women, one of them in their 80’s.
No idea if this is relevant to the NG case. Certainly local Tucson Law Enforcement is aware of these crimes.
The Utah investigators traced the suspect through Arizona, Colorado and Utah.


This is tragic, but I don't think it's remotely related. This sounds like DV; a Mother, Daughter and Grandmother, or similar family dynamics, all murdered by another (male) family member.
 
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This is the precise reason I flagged it as being MY ASSUMPTION ONLY. I see you're new to Websleuths, but you are allowed to post theories if you mark them JMO, IMO, etc - clearly noting that IT IS NOT A PROVEN FACT. Surely you've noticed all of the theories being discussed?

And as was stated upthread by @The Missing Canoe, we know of at least one convicted perp who was posting here: How amateur web sleuths helped solve the case of missing lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare
I fully understand that.

You stated your theory with such confidence, I thought perhaps there was more to it.

If it’s just your hunch… fair enough
 
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This is tragic, but I don't think it's remotely related. This sounds like DV; a Mother, Daughter and Grandmother, or similar family dynamics, all murdered by another (male) family member.
It was an elderly woman killed in her home and two hikers killed out on a trail :(

They caught the guy it's totally unrelated. So sad. I didn't realize how often elderly woman are victims of violent crime.
 
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Naturally I hope NG will ultimately be found, one way or the other, and the culprit(s) will be caught and imprisoned, but so far it seems the closure may never come.
I think he'll be identified, even if it's a slower process than most of us thought it would be at the beginning. So many tips to work through, and other evidence, too. Possibly DNA, possibly more video footage from the house, depending on the recovery process for overwritten data. A ton of other camera footage to look through. They have evidence from inside the house, too, which may tell them things that we don't know of. I'm not expecting an informant to make a call, because I suspect the perp worked alone and told no one (just an opinion), but I think the offender will be found.
 
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What strategy would be better to manage the perp?
There is no strategy. Do the forensic IGG stuff. That's not strategy, that's science. We cant get 2 talking "expert heads" to come up with a profile that they both agree with. . Everyone is scrambling and opining and yes, even bungling. The perp is managing the media and LE. JMO
 
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It really is utter nonsense isn't it? Lifelong non-criminals - even some prior FBI agents - insisting they are the authority on what is or is not criminal chic, and presenting theories to the world derived whole cloth from their purely aesthetic biases and/or fantasies of what an 'actual criminal' looks like or would wear.

He could've shown up on the porch donning a Hamburglar costume and still no one could deny that this crime was executed with a high degree of precision and 'better than most' sophistication.

I've always been concerned that the assumptions drawn from all of these ex-law enforcement types were the same instinctive inferences drawn by current law enforcement. If so, the belief that this criminal or these criminals isn't/aren't sophisticated is probably why no one has been caught yet.

JMO.
Yes, I agree. Do a Google image search for kidnapper and the perps are wearing basically the same outfit. His clothing does not provide his criminal history or sophistication.
 
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I fully understand that.

You stated your theory with such confidence, I thought perhaps there was more to it.

If it’s just your hunch… fair enough
Again, I have mentioned in ALL of my posts on this assumption, including the original one you questioned, that it was simply a theory based on what we know of the perp. If you look at the original post, it has the notation JMO. That means "just my opinion."
 
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It really is utter nonsense isn't it? Lifelong non-criminals - even some prior FBI agents - insisting they are the authority on what is or is not criminal chic, and presenting theories to the world derived whole cloth from their purely aesthetic biases and/or fantasies of what an 'actual criminal' looks like or would wear.

He could've shown up on the porch donning a Hamburglar costume and still no one could deny that this crime was executed with a high degree of precision and 'better than most' sophistication.

I've always been concerned that the assumptions drawn from all of these ex-law enforcement types were the same instinctive inferences drawn by current law enforcement. If so, the belief that this criminal or these criminals isn't/aren't sophisticated is probably why no one has been caught yet.

JMO.
Some of the assertions from retired FBI agents are disappointing. I've noticed that some are cautious, while others are anything but. Oh well.
 
  • #42,553
Has anyone seen the picture of person arrested in murders of 3 utah women?
 
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It really is utter nonsense isn't it? Lifelong non-criminals - even some prior FBI agents - insisting they are the authority on what is or is not criminal chic, and presenting theories to the world derived whole cloth from their purely aesthetic biases and/or fantasies of what an 'actual criminal' looks like or would wear.

He could've shown up on the porch donning a Hamburglar costume and still no one could deny that this crime was executed with a high degree of precision and 'better than most' sophistication.

I've always been concerned that the assumptions drawn from all of these ex-law enforcement types were the same instinctive inferences drawn by current law enforcement. If so, the belief that this criminal or these criminals isn't/aren't sophisticated is probably why no one has been caught yet.

JMO.
OMGEEEEE....you had me at Hamburglar. 😭
I needed a little levity through all the sads in this case. Thanks, Slim

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JMO
 
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Way back on Feb 18, a member posted the FBI-provided photos with "enhanced contrast" and was asking about an item the masked figure appeared to be carrying in his right hand. To me, that item almost looked like a closed umbrella with a handle that stuck out the side of the shaft at the end (with the person's gloved hand grasping it). There are what look like dark knobs around the close perimeter of the "umbrella" that seemed to me like they'd correspond to "knobs" at the end of an umbrella's spokes.

However, I also noticed that it appeared to me that the masked figure was carrying something in his left gloved hand. I thought it looked like some kind of formed metal extended shape (almost like an extended hood that might be installed over floodlights or over something else - and I commented so at the time). However, upon further examination it almost looks like it could be some piece of equipment or a tool and in context, I wonder if it is some kind of break-in tool (whether for doors or a safe).

I have attached a photo of my drawing atop the "enhanced contrast" photo and have also included notes as to what I think I am seeing. I've also included a cropped section to show you the same without my drawing atop it.

Following are the original quoted posts from the member (@scandiamerican ) who provided the "enhanced contrast" photos:




Curious whether others are seeing this too.
With this degree of camera noise from low light, it’s hard to tell what’s there and what’s just a digital artifact in the image. But you may be onto something!
 
  • #42,557
Wouldn't that be something if NG were part of a larger group of abductions.

Very odd, and don't know what to make of it but as you say LE must be aware of the situation.
I saw the story before I went to sleep last night. At that time they had cancelled school for Thursday and Friday and the person hadn't been caught. I just looked for the article I saw last night and it's been updated to show the alleged killer.

 
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the facial hair under the mask looked painted on, possibly tatooed not like real facial hair at all. mOO
Funny you should say that...just today while looking at masked man again , it looked to me like his eyebrows had been drawn on. Very thinly, I might add.

**sorry if that's already been mentioned

jmo
 
  • #42,559
Has anyone seen the picture of person arrested in murders of 3 utah women?
There's a photo here:


This photo is the same but might be slightly clearer/larger:

 
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