Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Bluewing3102]

BE has a new short where he suggests there was a wifi jammer and neighbors were effected too.

Edit: could account for the lack of him or a vehicle being on camera

My only gripe with this is that- IIRC wifi jammers don't prevent these cameras from recording. It just prevents the device from uploading the video until it can reconnect to wifi. So unless they planted a long range wifi jammer in the area and kept it on for HOURS (before/during/after the crime) there would still be video of them if a camera was in the right place. And long-term signal jamming would be noticed pretty quickly by the neighborhood. IMO

 

[Cassie P]

Well that adds yet another interesting twist. Might also explain why no vehicles of interest have been released. JMO

The perp continues to look smarter than we thought.

 

[FaviousM]

My only gripe with this is that- IIRC wifi jammers don't prevent these cameras from recording. It just prevents the device from uploading the video until it can reconnect to wifi. So unless they planted a power wifi jammer in the area and kept it on for HOURS (before/during/after the crime) there would still be video of them if a camera was in the right place. IMO

They would only have to jam it for long enough to remove the camera and take out the battery or destroy it

 

[pitbull]

This makes me wonder is a jammer device was included on warrants and if they've gone through previous crimes where they were used as a means to identify possible poi. Although, I believe they are very common in crime, especially burglary. I do not think this was a burglary.

My thoughts as well. Not a burglary...who brings a full backpack to a burglary?
One would believe a vehicle was indeed involved. There should be drag marks of some kind if some mode of transportation weren't used.

This was targeted. Could this have been "ordered" by someone? Wrong house, maybe?...JMO

 

[Napoli]

Nanos said there were "multiple cameras". AB said her source said that Nancy's cameras were smashed and they were Google Nest cameras.

The camera removed from the the roof of the Casita and the camera removed from above the sliding glass door of the Casita appeared to be wired Google Nest cameras with Solar panels.

BBM So now we have the perp on the roof smashing cameras?? Without a ladder??? In the dark? Aided by only the light of the silvery moon? AB must think he flies too. IMO, AB and her source are as useless or as delusional as the perp. JMO

 

[stmichael]

This makes me wonder is a jammer device was included on warrants and if they've gone through previous crimes where they were used as a means to identify possible poi. Although, I believe they are very common in crime, especially burglary. I do not think this was a burglary.

I would say they are not common in crime in the US.

I have seen them in burglary cases in the greater NY metro area years ago and my colleagues tell me they are still fairly rare, but they pop up. They seem to be used more abroad in second and third world countries that have large social-economic gaps in home invasions. They seem to have very varied effectiveness as well, with a lot of variables factoring in (obstructions, distances, quality of equipment).

Few DIY type Nest Cams for primary Wildlife viewing, No Sub, Probably Blindspots, etc.
Remember we're talking about a house with no alarm, and a residential DIY type camera system that was initiated by an elderly lady's want for checking out wildlife (as per her FB post asking about what camera to get). We are talking about a few Nest cams that don't even have a subscription, and I doubt NG diligently checked her push alerts with her phone at her side all night. I am very curious as to the placement and condition of the other cameras on the property, but I would suspect she had a few blind spots and not every angle of approach covered. The doorbell cam itself was a poor security install. It was tucked back within a brick vestibule that obscured a decent amount of field of vision. I would have had a camera installed outside the vestibule for an open approach angle of anyone coming up the driveway and anywhere near the doorway. I also would have had flood lights co-witness the cams (and you can even program them in something as basic as Ring to turn on the floodlights when the cameras motion detect) so that you would not have the need for poor IR recording in those low light conditions. I would have also had POE cameras so a wifi jammer wouldn't be an issue but I get using residential Nest/Ring ecosystems, they're fine...if installed optimally with force multipliers.

 

[stmichael]

BBM So now we have the perp on the roof smashing cameras?? Without a ladder??? In the dark? Aided by only the light of the silvery moon? AB must think he flies too. IMO, AB and her source are as useless or as delusional as the perp. JMO

They were removed by investigators. I think that is what the poster is alluding to.

 

[Bluewing3102]

They would only have to jam it for long enough to remove the camera and take out the battery or destroy it

They are insinuating that a jammer might be the reason why the perp wasn't caught on any other camera in the neighborhood. But there's no reports of neighbors cameras being destroyed or missing, or public cameras from businesses, roads, etc. IMO

 

[stmichael]

My only gripe with this is that- IIRC wifi jammers don't prevent these cameras from recording. It just prevents the device from uploading the video until it can reconnect to wifi. So unless they planted a long range wifi jammer in the area and kept it on for HOURS (before/during/after the crime) there would still be video of them if a camera was in the right place. And long-term signal jamming would be noticed pretty quickly by the neighborhood. IMO

Nancy didn't have a cloud sub. She only got live push alerts and I am assuming access to live views, and I doubt she had her phone by her all night (with her hearing aides probably out at night).

She got the cameras mainly for viewing wildlife and they were poorly installed for a security application. I would not be surprised if she had multiple blind spots, sub-optimal angles etc.

Per Google the cameras w/o the sub would over-write. They only reason they got the masked man footage on the doorbell cam was because he physically disabled it so that was the last footage sent to the server (even w/o a sub). Otherwise according to Google that would have been over-written and not saved. And it took them some time to get that needle-in-a-haystack footage they dug up.

In my assessment this residential wifi cam system didn't even warrant a wifi jammer, but who knows the mentality of a guy who uses latanas to cover a camera rather than his hand or have spray paint on hand when geared up for a b&e style night op.

 

[shonyakay]

BBM So now we have the perp on the roof smashing cameras?? Without a ladder??? In the dark? Aided by only the light of the silvery moon? AB must think he flies too. IMO, AB and her source are as useless or as delusional as the perp. JMO

Well the FBI agents were looking under vent pipes etc. on the Casita roof before they collected those camera's. It's possible the perp threw something at those camera's. One of the notes mentioned a broken flood light back there.

Btw, if those are solar panels specifically for the Nest Camera's on the Casita then they are probably battery operated just like the Door nest cam.

 

[stmichael]

They are insinuating that a jammer might be the reason why the perp wasn't caught on any other camera in the neighborhood. But there's no reports of neighbors cameras being destroyed or missing, or public cameras from businesses, roads, etc. IMO

Many neighbors interviewed did not have cameras. Most that did would not reach out to the road, and had blurry IR. You're talking about a neighborhood spaced out, no direct sight lines (staggered house planning), very dark from low light ordinance. Obstructed views with hedges and privacy landscaping.. Unless people have POE 4K cams wired right up to their mailboxes with ample lighting why would you expect to get footage? also all of Tucson has only DOT cams that do not save recordings.

 

[OldCop]

My bad....I actually meant soon thereafter. It's more a day and a half, if we are to believe the camera time stamps...apologies.

And, we don’t know if there was a ransom note left at the home. If there was, LE may have told the family not to release that information. If the suspect was a thrill seeker, he may have been frustrated about the lack of attention to him and his note. That could be a reason that sent him to the press.

 

[Napoli]

They were removed by investigators. I think that is what the poster is alluding to.

Nanos said there were "multiple cameras". AB said her source said that Nancy's cameras were smashed and they were Google Nest cameras.

Original poster was quoting AB and her sources, whom, imo, are unreliable as these sources also led us down the family path. I can only read this one way. AB's sources said the cameras were smashed. Makes no sense if they were on the roof. The perp wasn't wearing a beanie copter or wings or IMO, the perp didnt arrive on the roof in a private jet. lol jmo

 

[pitbull]

And, we don’t know if there was a ransom note left at the home. If there was, LE may have told the family not to release that information. If the suspect was a thrill seeker, he may have been frustrated about the lack of attention to him and his note. That could be a reason that sent him to the press.

I'd have to believe that if a ransom note were left at the house, it would have been leaked. Not the contents, but the presence of a note. Of course, MOO.

 

[FaviousM]

They are insinuating that a jammer might be the reason why the perp wasn't caught on any other camera in the neighborhood. But there's no reports of neighbors cameras being destroyed or missing, or public cameras from businesses, roads, etc. IMO

Oh I get you.

No, I don't think that's the case here.

IMO If a jammer was used (it's a big if) I think it would solely be for disabling NG's cameras long enough to remove/destroy them. Any issues the neighbours experienced were just a side effect and not intentional.

If all the cameras were outside the home, you only have to remove the one at point of entry and avoid the rest.

Aside from the light being broken out back (and I don't think we have a firm timeline on when that happened) I don't think there's anything to definitively say the perp was ever out the back of the property. As a caveat to that, the lack of obvious forced entry at the front door runs counter to that idea

But yes, using a wifi jammer is only useful if you also destroy or remove any camera you may have been caught on

 

[submarine7]

I would say they are not common in crime in the US.

I have seen them in burglary cases in the greater NY metro area years ago and my colleagues tell me they are still fairly rare, but they pop up. They seem to be used more abroad in second and third world countries that have large social-economic gaps in home invasions. They seem to have very varied effectiveness as well, with a lot of variables factoring in (obstructions, distances, quality of equipment).

Few DIY type Nest Cams for primary Wildlife viewing, No Sub, Probably Blindspots, etc.
Remember we're talking about a house with no alarm, and a residential DIY type camera system that was initiated by an elderly lady's want for checking out wildlife (as per her FB post asking about what camera to get). We are talking about a few Nest cams that don't even have a subscription, and I doubt NG diligently checked her push alerts with her phone at her side all night. I am very curious as to the placement and condition of the other cameras on the property, but I would suspect she had a few blind spots and not every angle of approach covered. The doorbell cam itself was a poor security install. It was tucked back within a brick vestibule that obscured a decent amount of field of vision. I would have had a camera installed outside the vestibule for an open approach angle of anyone coming up the driveway and anywhere near the doorway. I also would have had flood lights co-witness the cams (and you can even program them in something as basic as Ring to turn on the floodlights when the cameras motion detect) so that you would not have the need for poor IR recording in those low light conditions. I would have also had POE cameras so a wifi jammer wouldn't be an issue but I get using residential Nest/Ring ecosystems, they're fine...if installed optimally with force multipliers.

I'm by no means an expert on jammers and can only say that where I live, in San Francisco they are commonly used in crimes. That may not be the case elsewhere.

I think it's another possibility that may have complicated the investigation. The dead zone of NGs immediate neighborhood likely has a similar effect. It was interesting to hear that a neighbor(s) also had interruption. If the times match it seems likely? Not sure if it matters beyond that?

 

[Bluewing3102]

Nancy didn't have a cloud sub. She only got live push alerts and I am assuming access to live views, and I doubt she had her phone by her all night (with her hearing aides probably out at night).

She got the cameras mainly for viewing wildlife and they were poorly installed for a security application. I would not be surprised if she had multiple blind spots, sub-optimal angles etc.

Per Google the cameras w/o the sub would over-write. They only reason they got the masked man footage on the doorbell cam was because he physically disabled it so that was the last footage sent to the server (even w/o a sub). Otherwise according to Google that would have been over-written and not saved. And it took them some time to get that needle-in-a-haystack footage they dug up.

In my assessment this residential wifi cam system didn't even warrant a wifi jammer, but who knows the mentality of a guy who uses latanas to cover a camera rather than his hand or have spray paint on hand when geared up for a b&e style night op.

I'm not talking about NGs home I'm talking about the neighborhood as a whole. I'm saying it doesn't make sense that a wifi jammer is the explanation for the neighborhood not capturing this perp on camera. It doesn't seem efficient for a perp to use a wifi jammer to blackout a neighborhood due to lack of range and the large space between each home.

Also, no, google nest cameras record everything and upload everything (triggered by motion) to their servers no matter subscription status. With no subscription- it gets stored in their servers but "marked for deletion". That's how engineers found the lost camera footage from NGs. The camera only overwrites itself LOCALLY, meaning the physically storage on the cameras internal SD card or whatever it saves to NGs phone app.

 

[NicoleInVa]

Lately I've been more and more of the mind that an obsessed stalker best explains this case, given what we know.

I have heard many times related to this story "Who kidnaps an 84 year old woman?"

Well, nobody, really. What's the point? It's a ton of hassle and now you have to care for a terrified elderly woman with health and mobility issues.

Unless you are a totally obsessed stalker of SG. Then this is a passion project.

In this scenario, this is a person who obsesses over SG and maybe other celebrities as well. That could go either way. So he sees the feature on TV about SG and NG that we've all talked about. That puts the idea in his head to check NG out, if he hadn't already.

In the course of that he learns a TON:

She is 84 and lives all by herself. Quiet neighborhood, houses spread way out, pitch dark at night, lots of elderly people (lower chance of someone being up and about at 1-2 AM), tons of shrubbery and trees to hide in, house partly blocked from view in road. House recently listed (according to reports) so he can go online and see photos of every room and some of the outside to get a good working idea of the layout. Beds/baths, where doors and windows are.

Even when a listing is taken off or a house is sold, most popular realty websites retain the language and images of the previous listing. I think you can request removal, but this is on a site by site basis and is likely time consuming and tedious, and in reality almost nobody thinks of that. Especially in a home where the doorbell camera subscription lapsed. I doubt that was done.

Biggest nugget of all for this psychopath: this is the same house SG grew up in. And he can easily gain access to it and her mother.

Nobody on this planet is likely to know more about SG than her own mother. Phone numbers, addresses, stories about her growing up, candid photos, videos, everything. And (from the POV of this stalker) this crime will all take place in HER (SG's) house.

Aside from SG herself living alone with unlocked doors in the middle of nowhere, this is the softest target a stalker could dream of.

This could also explain the 40 minutes spent inside (which I mentioned previously I don't totally buy but I'll accept it for the purposes of exploring this theory). The initial stage would be subduing NG, looking around the house for whatever he could find about SG and just spending time in what used to be her space.

I know it sounds gross/creepy, and it is, but this is how a lot of these people think. To defeat them you must think like them, as distasteful as it is.

Maybe he finds that instead of the smiling sweet grandmother he saw on TV, NG is angry and combative and will not cooperate. Maybe she refuses to tell him anything, including something as seemingly small as which room was SG's. So he snaps. This could explain the blood. Maybe he hit her to try to force compliance. He won't want to seriously hurt her, because he needs her to be ok for later when he will try to wear her down and get all the info he wants. But he has to scare her because she is yelling at him, maybe even insulting him, but most importantly she won't give him anything he is demanding.

Maybe he tried every angle to get info from her in the house before taking her away. He would want to know: which was her room? His sick fantasy is getting ruined! She won't say a thing, and maybe even fights back somehow. You can imagine his anger.

Meanwhile, tick tock. There's the 40 minutes spent inside.

Eventually he realizes this is all pointless, but he was always going to take her, because he figures he can get most of the info he wants over the course of time in a more controlled location. He's also about to become one of the most important people in SG's life (in a sick way) because he has her mom. This is stalker 101: he has power over her now AND he likely thinks he will get info out of NG eventually.

This explains the blood. It explains nothing being stolen (he wants NG for the info and knowledge she has). It explains no serious ransom note (the point was not money). It explains nobody coming forward for the million dollars (he acted alone in this scenario). It explains his seeming "amateur" behavior on the porch (maybe this is his first time doing something like this and he's off kilter mentally and likely very nervous and worked up because of everything I mentioned above).

Stalkers want information about their target and any type of control they can get above anything else in the world.

The only silver lining in this scenario might be that he would almost certainly want to keep NG alive and well, because the whole point would be her being a connection to SG and him having control of her. He would want to hear stories about SG growing up. Her favorite things. Everything about her. He would need NG alive and well for that, and IMO this was the entire point of his operation.

A final word on him getting away with it. A lot of times first-timers or one offs don't follow any established pattern, so they can initially be harder to catch. Since they don't follow the A-B-C crime profile they can slip through the cracks. But they eventually slip up. He'll be caught IMO. Likely relatively soon.

All just my opinion, but I'm starting to think that something in the neighborhood of the above scenario is the best explanation, given what we know.

If it was a stalker or someone obsessed with SG, I wonder if any of her childhood memorabilia was taken.

 

[submarine7]

Oh I get you.

No, I don't think that's the case here.

IMO If a jammer was used (it's a big if) I think it would solely be for disabling NG's cameras long enough to remove/destroy them. Any issues the neighbours experienced were just a side effect and not intentional.

If all the cameras were outside the home, you only have to remove the one at point of entry and avoid the rest.

Aside from the light being broken out back (and I don't think we have a firm timeline on when that happened) I don't think there's anything to definitively say the perp was ever out the back of the property. As a caveat to that, the lack of obvious forced entry at the front door runs counter to that idea

But yes, using a wifi jammer is only useful if you also destroy or remove any camera you may have been caught on

I fully agree the neighborhood was not targeted nor was it a total blackout. It doesn't answer many questions but if accurate it's more planning.

 

[stmichael]

Nanos said there were "multiple cameras". AB said her source said that Nancy's cameras were smashed and they were Google Nest cameras.

Original poster was quoting AB and her sources, whom, imo, are unreliable as these sources also led us down the family path. I can only read this one way. AB's sources said the cameras were smashed. Makes no sense if they were on the roof. The perp wasn't wearing a beanie copter or wings or IMO, the perp didnt arrive on the roof in a private jet. lol jmo

The rooftop cam was found intact later and removed by investigators. That is what I was responding to and you were responding to the poster that mentioned that cam.