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You guys…I’ve somehow managed to get my husband now interested and involved with this case. He’s a retired police officer (over 20 years experience). So instead of me being fixated on this case, we both are. Cheers!
That's great. I'm sure he must have some interesting insights.
 
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I think it's interesting that this information is just now coming to light. Day 34
It's not! It was reported by a CourtTV reporter on February 5th-- I was watching the livestream and heard him say he was talking to one of her neighbors whose cameras also cut out on the night she was kidnapped. Then I couldn't find video of the livestream anywhere and no other reporters mentioned it since then. I think LE has known about this but they are finally running it down in more detail after exhausting other leads that they may have thought more promising.
 
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Assuming that these are the neighbours with the dog who have been letting BE park in their driveway, I'm pretty sure they're on the same street, but not sure how far down
The neighbors with the dogs that Brian likes are behind Nancy's house.
 
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The neighbors with the dogs that Brian likes are behind Nancy's house.
It doesn't seem like they experienced and wifi issues, or at least he's never indicated that in interviews.
 
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True, but it isn't like you can go to Temu or any other supplier and buy military grade equipment. My comment was directed at the claim that a wifi jammer could jam all radio communications, gps, cellular, wifi.... The small jammers people are calling Temu jammers don't have near this capability and are directed specifically at wifi. Any jammer capable of jamming all radio communications is way beyond the scope of what LG may have had and would be huge, heavy and military grade....think electronics warfare.
I agree. Question, don’t Wi-Fi jammers distort video. If they were using one then how would the doorbell video have been so clear?
 
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Is the electrical shut off being so easily available common in AZ?

Ours has a lock on it (I think put there by the utility). Our actual breaker panel is inside the house.
 
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I agree. Question, don’t Wi-Fi jammers distort video. If they were using one then how would the doorbell video have been so clear?
I guess the idea would be that by the time the video was captured and uploaded the jammer had stopping working, maybe battery died or something
 
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That could support the idea of the perp moving by the house in that open area with a jammer active as he made his way to NG's house

But then why was NG's camera working and why bother with stuffing lantana plants in it and then removing it entirely?

MOO.
 
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Sorry had to check the source so now re-posting, this is from a reporter from Newsnation.


"From the Phoenix PD on my inquiry:

Hi Laura,

Below is the response to your request referencing location: grand canal trail 28th street

Response:

Around 7:40 a.m., officers responded to the area of 2100 North 27th Place regarding an unknown trouble. Details on the call indicated that an adult female was on the nearby canal bank and was unresponsive. When officers arrived, they located the woman, who was ultimately pronounced deceased on scene. Detectives have responded to assume the death investigation. Additional details related to this incident remain part of the ongoing investigation."
Has there been any follow-up on this story? Apologies if I missed it.
 
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But then why was NG's camera working and why bother with stuffing lantana plants in it and then removing it entirely?

MOO.
Jammer stopped working, camera came back online, perp was surprised to see camera was online again, stuffs camera with plants before removing and disabling it
 
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This is why EVERY home security system needs to include a hard wired ethernet component to complement wireless. Criminals are increasingly using jammers, which unfortunately aren't that hard to find if you are truly determined, regardless of the fact that they are strictly illegal.

A camera that is hardwired to the router and goes through a cable is unaffected by any jammer, and will record to the cloud, send notifications to your phone, and continue to operate normally even in the case of a jammer attack. Some even detect jammer attacks (because of a sudden flood of information on 2.4 or 5 GHz bands which can ONLY be a jammer).

Everyone should know this for their own security. ANY wireless camera is pretty easy to take offline by these criminals.
100 percent agree.

I always recommend POE cameras first, or at least as backups.

Direct-burial rated ethernet cable is affordable these days and easy to work with. Always metal conduit and junction boxes on exposed runs to prevent cutting. Active deterrent cameras are available on these systems as well (siren, lights, strobe). Camera options are superior as well, and Pan-zoom-tilt. I co-witness my cameras with spot lights (commercial output, light up the entire zone, no IR).

Now I get using residential ecosystems like Ring for other product integration, and those can be fine with proper force multipliers and importantly proper use/installation. Don't leave blind spots, get all approach angles, adjust detection zones/sensitivity, etc. etc.

Besides the potential of signal jammers, there's always the potential for a company side wifi outage at night, and then you are dead in the water. Plus not every normie homeowner has their wifi cams or routers optimized, and they do glitch or lag.

Now I will say it is still relatively uncommon to encounter signal jammers based on talking to my colleagues who are still on the job, but sure you see more cases. And I was based in the NYC metro area. But the whole point of proper security is layers and redundancy.
 
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Is the electrical shut off being so easily available common in AZ?

Ours has a lock on it (I think put there by the utility). Our actual breaker panel is inside the house.
Yes this is very common in the Southwestern US, in my experience.
 
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Is the electrical shut off being so easily available common in AZ?

Ours has a lock on it (I think put there by the utility). Our actual breaker panel is inside the house.
In Arizona, circuit breaker panels are
typically located outside to comply with local building codes, allowing emergency responders and utility workers quick access. These panels must be accessible, usually 4 to 6 feet off the ground, and are often required to have a main disconnect on the exterior.
 
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…That prompted speculation about the so-called Wi-Fi jammers, which are illegal in the United States under Federal Communications Commission guidelines.

They're not particularly high-tech. And they can be obtained online — which is potentially something investigators could track.

But the fact that the FBI and Google were able to recover video from Guthrie's Nest doorbell camera, when the device was physically missing, and she did not have a cloud subscription, indicates a Wi-Fi jammer may not have been deployed at her front door.

"If they were using Wi-Fi jammers, then I would expect that we would not be able to see any video from the front-door cameras," said Morgan Wright, the CEO and founder of the National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases. "I took a look at some of the videos with the other gangs that use Wi-Fi jammers, and had one been up and running and persistent, you wouldn’t have gotten the clear pictures that we did from the front."

 
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If they were using a WiFi jammer wouldn’t that have disabled the camera? Why would they try to cover it up?
 
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I’ve always wondered if that was part of the 40 minutes inside — they had her change clothes. I don’t think we’ve had any information on what NG might have been wearing or what was in her hamper, etc. Only my wondering. OMO.
The blue shirt of Nancy’s that was used for scent by the dogs reminded me of a Land’s End nightgown that was available in that same shade. I still think she was taken in whatever she was wearing when she went to bed.
 
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This is the guy seen on camera with two backpacks a few miles from NGs home on the night she went missing. He is using a wifi jammer. That's why he holds the backpack up like he does. They are used and not hard to acquire.


Sorry if I missed it, but can you post the source where LE said he was using a WiFi jammer?
 
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Has there been any follow-up on this story? Apologies if I missed it.
I am hoping that while searching for Nancy they bring others home to their families. It is a shame missing people are out there and it takes another case to happen for them to maybe be stumbled upon, it is so sad.
 
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