GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #4

[oceanblueeyes]

My BBM reply is not specific to your post, SpoiledMom, but I'm using it as a springboard for this question:

Am I in the minority because I have friends of both sexes that I do things with - often without my spouse? I'm having trouble relating to that phrase that many have used as above.

To me, 'another male friend' sounds so singular, almost like an oddity. Foreign to me. I'd be as equally likely to go for lunch or out for a bit with either a male or a female buddy, and frequently with groups of each in varying numbers. Tuesday night out just last week started out with one male chum and I meeting for drinks, female friend joined us later for a round, then left to study just as another male friend arrived to join my first bud and I for dinner. (Note, my spouse of 20 years was 100 miles away parked at home because he neither shares our interests, nor knows these chums in person.)

Is that more uncommon than common to have friends of the opposite sex these days? Or am I getting myself all hung up on semantics and context? Or do you guys mean that you think KB had 'another *extra special* male friend'?

I know it is very common in military life to have many friends of both genders. Most of the ones I know if they go to a club there will be mixed genders in the group.

But most of these werent married so it wouldnt really matter either way. Heck a lot of single females will live off base with one or more of their best male single friends and it will be strickly a friendship relationship.

I actually dont know what is customary in most married military families. The married ones I know go together to a club or a bunch of guy friends go together and the same for the women. But I would think if their spouse is ok with them going to a bar by themselves .........then it shouldn't be a problem.

But if the spouse is unaware and wouldnt approve then I think it would/could create problems in the marriage because anything done behind one's back is wrong and is just asking for trouble, imo.

imo

 

[curiousjo]

Thanks a lot VOH. Keep us posted with any new updates. I hope this one gets solved - soon! Hey, did that guy turn out to be her Dad on Friday, or a reporter?

 

[VOH910]

Thanks a lot VOH. Let us posted with any new updates. I hope this one gets solved - soon! Hey, did that guy turn out to be her Dad on Friday, or a reporter?

I tell you this, I think it was just a crazy. If it was a reporter, you will have lots of information coming your way. As I said, he was interrogating people pretty hard.

 

[Muckrucker]

Since KB didn't plan to leave the bar at a specific time and the way we heard it was she was tired and wanted to go home, how would a coworker know exactly when and where to 'get her?' That scenario doesn't seem very likely to me unless she had texted someone her whereabouts and told them what time she was leaving. Police would have that info from her cell provder records.

The much more likely scenario is that the one person who we know for sure was with her as she left that bar was the last person to see her alive. I doubt she ever made it back to her apt complex.

I know it's tempting to think of all kinds of other scenarios that maybe/sorta/coulda happened, but usually Occam's Razor is the one to go with.

According to VOH, KB walked out of Froggy's with NH. She wasn't staggering out or drugged up and incapacitated as she walked out--she walked out--with him.

Appreciate the way you wrapped it up concisely in last sentence.

I'll fess up: I do often toss shoulda/coulda/woulda scenarios out there, dangling them up for grabs, purely as critical thinking exercises. It's a good way to share/teach the KISS principle.

Most of the other 'what if?' story lines being considering require too many complex coincidences to bash a round peg into a square hole. The current story can be picked apart piecemeal several ways, but even with the few facts we do know, they cumulatively add up to a high likelihood for Nick's involvement at very least, and guilt as being most probable.

Each little piece sits atop the next.
* Parole violating RSO
* victim who was not incapacitated
* phone recovered - few avid texters would willingly leave anywhere without their phone
* phone pings last nearest same location last seen with RSO
* NB claims lamely, "I dropped her off 1/4 mile from home" - not exactly the poster boy for being a DD, is he?
* LE search locations started near last location victim was seen - with the NB
* RSO NB now in jail where LE can keep an eye on him
* lack of vigils
* police statement pointing to concern Kelli was in 'grave danger'
* lack of reward begin offered
* tight/careful media control by family, and spouse
* RSO NB car searched
* RSO NB interviewed twice - why a bring him in a second time if he had a reasonable alibi for the remainder of late Friday, early Saturday when Kelli went missing
* and a big clue... he couldn't control himself enough to keep his hands off of a FIVE YEAR OLD GIRL - why in heavens name would we grant him the benefit of the doubt? He's not likely someone who has strong impulse control when it comes to sexual urges...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck... I'm not wasting any time looking around for a platypus. :waitasec:

 

[Eileen730]

Now this is frightening!

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0

 

[parker38]

After that case with the pastor's daughter who was a teacher and that little girl (sorry the names escape me) maybe someone here remembers;
nothing at all surprises me!!

I've been reading posts all afternoon trying to catch up!! lol
You guys are good and have some pretty well thought out scenerios.

NH has proven to be a liar,underhanded and seems to always be
trying to stay steps ahead of any authority figures. (residence
car registration, maybe even driving without a license.) I wouldn't put anything past this guy.
That said, he could very well had someone with him that night,
whom he gave her too. Another felon, pediphile, etc. someone
who paid NH money for this. I know it sounds strange but we know
anything is possible and sometimes things happen and we say 'Oh my'

One thing that still bothers me is the fact that this marine trained
woman wasn't able to get any scratches on him, cuts, anything! just
strange!! JMO

 

[Muckrucker]

VOH, Is there a big truckstop anywhere near or in Fayetteville? I have used a truckstop shower many a time on the road...they are not so bad. You can also do what I call birdbath inbetween in the truckstop sink. Then again you can also at times use a friends shower, but even friends left out of it. By winter truckstops are great. By summer if there is a park or water play area, they usually have showers. Been there done that, but the park ones are brrrrrrrrrrr....cold.

Between your fondness for the lean-to, outdoor showers - grab them while you can - and your TPA scrub-ups, I've decided that you're a soul who appreciates the simple pleasures in life. With a grin and a laugh.

Good attitude.

ETA - sounds like SoulMagnet is one of your tribe, too.

 

[phantomthought]

there is no short answer to it. Yes, it is very complicated

Really the military rules are like sexual harassment in the workplace on steroids and if you think this is confusing you should try their rules on adultery.

 

[Eileen730]

Appreciate the way you wrapped it up concisely in last sentence.

I'll fess up: I do often toss shoulda/coulda/woulda scenarios out there, dangling them up for grabs, purely as critical thinking exercises. It's a good way to share/teach the KISS principle.

Most of the other 'what if?' story lines being considering require too many complex coincidences to bash a round peg into a square hole. The current story can be picked apart piecemeal several ways, but even with the few facts we do know, they cumulatively add up to a high likelihood for Nick's involvement at very least, and guilt as being most probable.

Each little piece sits atop the next.
* Parole violating RSO
* victim who was not incapacitated
* phone recovered - few avid texters would willingly leave anywhere without their phone
* phone pings last nearest same location last seen with RSO
* NB claims lamely, "I dropped her off 1/4 mile from home" - not exactly the poster boy for being a DD, is he?
* LE search locations started near last location victim was seen - with the NB
* RSO NB now in jail where LE can keep an eye on him
* lack of vigils
* police statement pointing to concern Kelli was in 'grave danger'
* lack of reward begin offered
* tight/careful media control by family, and spouse
* RSO NB car searched
* RSO NB interviewed twice - why a bring him in a second time if he had a reasonable alibi for the remainder of late Friday, early Saturday when Kelli went missing
* and a big clue... he couldn't control himself enough to keep his hands off of a FIVE YEAR OLD GIRL - why in heavens name would we grant him the benefit of the doubt? He's not likely someone who has strong impulse control when it comes to sexual urges...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck... I'm not wasting any time looking around for a platypus. :waitasec:

Well if he did it fry him!

If he didnt lets not waste time on him lets find who did!

 

[LaLaw2000]

I tell you this, I think it was just a crazy. If it was a reporter, you will have lots of information coming your way. As I said, he was interrogating people pretty hard.

I have to wonder if it might have been NH's Dad!

 

[Eileen730]

After that case with the pastor's daughter who was a teacher and that little girl (sorry the names escape me) maybe someone here remembers;
nothing at all surprises me!!

I've been reading posts all afternoon trying to catch up!! lol
You guys are good and have some pretty well thought out scenerios.

NH has proven to be a liar,underhanded and seems to always be
trying to stay steps ahead of any authority figures. (residence
car registration, maybe even driving without a license.) I wouldn't put anything past this guy.
That said, he could very well had someone with him that night,
whom he gave her too. Another felon, pediphile, etc. someone
who paid NH money for this. I know it sounds strange but we know
anything is possible and sometimes things happen and we say 'Oh my'

One thing that still bothers me is the fact that this marine trained
woman wasn't able to get any scratches on him, cuts, anything! just
strange!! JMO

Sandra Cantu and ther woman was Melissa Huckabee!

 

[mamamia54]

Well, I'm lookin for the platypus because at this point with all the rapes around, the unsolved homicides around, the bodies found near Fort Bragg that haven't been crimes solved, even though Nick is a sex offender, at this point I'm not convinced that he could do this within the time involved. And he may be a country hick, but he would be a complete and utter idiot to do this with EVERYONE knowing that he was the last person not only that saw Kelli, but drove her home. (could be eating crow by Monday)

 

[Muckrucker]

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Fayetteville-North-Carolina.html

This will help identify the location of the cell towers.

Brilliant. Very helpful now, and I am sure this will be very relevant later. Bookmarked.

Thanks

 

[Eileen730]

Whats the address of Froggy's anyone know im checking out this sex offender map there are sooooo many!

 

[VOH910]

I have to wonder if it might have been NH's Dad!

Wow! Might be. No way to verify though.

 

[Soulmagent]

We have alot of biker bars and honkey tonks here that are cash only also
nothing wrong with cash only.

No ,but it tosses a redflag Along with Kellie's last known location being at the bar where the suspect "worked or didnt work or helped out off the payroll behind the bar. If I was LE, I would be looking ,wouldnt you?

Cash only alone ,not so much but Nick and the reports on his helping out ,only points to everything not being completely legit and what else is not completely legit would have me investigating if I were LE.

 

[mamamia54]

And this also goes along with my prior post. I posted this yesterday but this has mappings of locations and other info on the rapes.

A serial rapist haunts Fayetteville, NC
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/fayettevillerapes.html

 

[Muckrucker]

Well if he did it fry him!

If he didnt lets not waste time on him lets find who did!

Well, I'm an ornery critter. I think he should have been fried first time around for what he did to the wee little 5 y/o.

And I can't admit out loud that I'm not opposed to water-boarding to get answers needed now, because that would get me in trouble with Nursie. And make it sound as if I have too little respect for the justice system.

So I won't say that out loud. (Amazing that you can hear the voices in my head, isn't it?)

 

[Muckrucker]

Well, I'm lookin for the platypus because at this point with all the rapes around, the unsolved homicides around, the bodies found near Fort Bragg that haven't been crimes solved, even though Nick is a sex offender, at this point I'm not convinced that he could do this within the time involved. And he may be a country hick, but he would be a complete and utter idiot to do this with EVERYONE knowing that he was the last person not only that saw Kelli, but drove her home. (could be eating crow by Monday)

Quite possible I might be the one eating crow, not you Mia. I'm just convinced that criminals are butt stoopid as a rule.

 

[VOH910]

No ,but it tosses a redflag Along with Kellie's last known location being at the bar where the suspect "worked or didnt work or helped out off the payroll behind the bar. If I was LE, I would be looking ,wouldnt you?

Cash only alone ,not so much but Nick and the reports on his helping out ,only points to everything not being completely legit and what else is completely legit would have me investigating if I were LE.

They have thoroughly searched the bar and its grounds.