GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #4

[Muckrucker]

You almost had me thinking on that one, but then why would they keep on doing waterway searches and other searches if a money demand had been made?

Wouldn't be the first, nor the last time that a perp tried to extort $ from a family. Nor would it be a first for an entirely unrelated phony to try to muscle in on a missing person's case for their own gain.

Also, they could just as easily be searching for evidence as searching for Kelli, KWIM?

All things possible, only a few are probable. For me, Nick is :behindbar for a related reason no matter what is being said publicly , which is my theory for lack of vigil and reward, both.

 

[mamamia54]

I'm trying to have faith that Kelli will be found safe, but odds are against it. Hearing how she was never late for duty or otherwise, makes me know the truth. Unless of course we don't really know for certain why her brother was so positive.

 

[Muckrucker]

I'm not putting a whole lot of weight on worrying about who Kelli was 'texting' while at the bar that night either. That only came from Nick.

Show of hands, peeps: How many of you text multiple friends, family, in the span of several hours? And how many of you blast out twitter, FB updates and do email on your phone, too?

That Nick interpreted her fingers on the keyboard as 'texting' to someone a lot, doesn't necessarily mean she was just yaking back & forth. Her phone records will show that, but you can fly your fingers over a phone for much more than just texting.

Hell, you can even post updates to WS threads from your phone.

 

[Eileen730]

Ya know even if her and her husband were seperated she could have told hime she was going out and he asked her to text him when she arrived home to let him know she made it safe and sound. Just a thought!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Only #1 above seems odd to me. I would've expected at least a reward from the military. Or one of the support units, don't you think? Hell, buddies pooling funds if the family couldn't raise any.

#2 doesn't surprise me after watching Kelli's brother Matt during his presser the other day. He strikes me as an action-oriented leader. He brooked no nonsense and kept on point. Perhaps a vigil seems like wasted effort when that time could be better spent distributing fliers and searching? Based on his delivery, he doesn't seem like one who'd encourage the others to stand around boo-hooing. And you don't need a big audience to send up prayers, do you?

I suspect he's trying to keep them all focused on actions. He wanted positivity and he seemed very capable of steering both family & the media in that direction single-handedly.

As for #3, my guts are telling me that someone very wise advised Hubby early on not to speak publicly. Whether that was his family, Kelli's, LE or an attorney, I don't know. But I think it very smart, whether he is involved or innocent. No matter what he'd say, it would be scrutinized to death, and even if someone were convicted of Kelli's abduction, you just know that some people would still think he was guilty 10 years later based on something that didn't ring 'just right' with we in the general public.

I love my own as much as all of you love your own, too, but after years reading these cases, you can be damn sure that I'd have a designated point person for all public statements in about 2 seconds flat if one of my own went missing. It's a damn trap for parents, spouses, friends to talk - period. You need someone exactly like Kelli's brother Matt out in front to do one thing, and one thing only - Get the family message out.

(I do recognize the irony in what I've written above, seeing as how I am sitting here hitting refresh over and over, but I happen to believe when it comes to family of the missing, 'less said the better' except for pleas for a safe return - via an intermediary thinking logically - not emotionally. That's my story and Imma stickin' to it.)

I absolutely agree with you about the family members not speaking out. At one time when family members spoke out they were given much sympathy and support but I have seen that change in recent years. I have seen innocent family members go though such hurt and pain about what has been said about them on the internet and even inferred in the media.

It seems the world has become more cynical in recent years and it seems that many family members just cant do anything right according to some who critique their every move from what they wear.......to how they look........what they say and how they say it and even judge them by the way they move their eyes.

And often it becomes a major detractor from the actual victim because the subject becomes more about the family members than the one LE is searching to find.

I can certainly understand if some family members decides not speak out. I think they want the LE investigation to remain on their missing loved and less about the family members and discecting what they have said.

I have heard nothing about any of Kelli's family members lawyering up.. not even her husband.

JMO though

 

[TxLady2]

Only #1 above seems odd to me. I would've expected at least a reward from the military. Or one of the support units, don't you think? Hell, buddies pooling funds if the family couldn't raise any.

#2 doesn't surprise me after watching Kelli's brother Matt during his presser the other day. He strikes me as an action-oriented leader. He brooked no nonsense and kept on point. Perhaps a vigil seems like wasted effort when that time could be better spent distributing fliers and searching? Based on his delivery, he doesn't seem like one who'd encourage the others to stand around boo-hooing. And you don't need a big audience to send up prayers, do you?

I suspect he's trying to keep them all focused on actions. He wanted positivity and he seemed very capable of steering both family & the media in that direction single-handedly.

As for #3, my guts are telling me that someone very wise advised Hubby early on not to speak publicly. Whether that was his family, Kelli's, LE or an attorney, I don't know. But I think it very smart, whether he is involved or innocent. No matter what he'd say, it would be scrutinized to death, and even if someone were convicted of Kelli's abduction, you just know that some people would still think he was guilty 10 years later based on something that didn't ring 'just right' with we in the general public.

I love my own as much as all of you love your own, too, but after years reading these cases, you can be damn sure that I'd have a designated point person for all public statements in about 2 seconds flat if one of my own went missing. It's a damn trap for parents, spouses, friends to talk - period. You need someone exactly like Kelli's brother Matt out in front to do one thing, and one thing only - Get the family message out.

(I do recognize the irony in what I've written above, seeing as how I am sitting here hitting refresh over and over, but I happen to believe when it comes to family of the missing, 'less said the better' except for pleas for a safe return - via an intermediary thinking logically - not emotionally. That's my story and Imma stickin' to it.)

I like the way you think!! No, scratch that, I LOVE it!!
I posted on another case awhile back that if I went missing, I can 100% guarantee you that my hubby would look like the guiltiest person on earth because he would NOT talk to reporters. He would cooperate with LE, of course, but the media would be out of luck for a statement.
I try not to judge people for what they say in stressful situations, and most specifically, HOW they say things. But as for myself, I would be hesitant to talk to the media at all other than to plead for my child's safe return... and yet I am fully aware that even THAT much would be scrutinized and analyzed and criticized till the cows come home!! And if it was my stepchild... I would definitely leave it to the parents. Stepparents are ALWAYS suspected if they live in the same house as the missing person.

 

[Soulmagent]

Also ,the 28 dollars tab could be grossly misrepresented. Say if the tab wasnt hit with everything ordered that night or some drinks were paid for and then a new tab opened up. I have had the same person tab out like 3 times before. They think they save money or something doing it or I will forget they have a new tab..

I think 28 is low for 4 beer and 4 shots. the shots are 5 a piece whereever I have ever odered one , so that leaves the 2 bucks a piece for the beer. I dunno..

 

[mamamia54]

Ya know even if her and her husband were seperated she could have told hime she was going out and he asked her to text him when she arrived home to let him know she made it safe and sound. Just a thought!

But we have read that when she spoke to him at around 3:00pm she told him that she didn't have any plans for the evening. But we can't believe everything we read.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I like the way you think!! No, scratch that, I LOVE it!!
I posted on another case awhile back that if I went missing, I can 100% guarantee you that my hubby would look like the guiltiest person on earth because he would NOT talk to reporters. He would cooperate with LE, of course, but the media would be out of luck for a statement.
I try not to judge people for what they say in stressful situations, and most specifically, HOW they say things. But as for myself, I would be hesitant to talk to the media at all other than to plead for my child's safe return... and yet I am fully aware that even THAT much would be scrutinized and analyzed and criticized till the cows come home!! And if it was my stepchild... I would definitely leave it to the parents. Stepparents are ALWAYS suspected if they live in the same house as the missing person.

BBM

And isnt that kind of strange? Since way more biological parents... murder, neglect, and abuse their own children than step parents do.

I think it shows that 'we' (in general) may need to change the way we look at things.

 

[Muckrucker]

I absolutely agree with you about the family members not speaking out. At one time when family members spoke out they were given much sympathy and support but I have seen that change in recent years. I have seen innocent family members go though such hurt and pain about what has been said about them on the internet and even inferred in the media.

It seems the world has become more cynical in recent years and it seems that many family members just cant do anything right according to some who critique their every move from what they wear.......to how they look........what they say and how they say it and even judge them by the way they move their eyes.

And often it becomes a major detractor from the actual victim because the subject becomes more about the family members than the one LE is searching to find.

I can certainly understand if some family members decides not speak out. I think they want the LE investigation to remain on their missing loved and less about the family members and discecting what they have said.

I have heard nothing about any of Kelli's family members lawyering up.. not even her husband.

JMO though

Deserves to be bumped. Well stated, BlueEyes.

 

[Eileen730]

But we have read that when she spoke to him at around 3:00pm she told him that she didn't have any plans for the evening. But we can't believe everything we read.

True that! I forgot she told him she had no plans!
I wonder when her plans changed?

 

[Muckrucker]

But we have read that when she spoke to him at around 3:00pm she told him that she didn't have any plans for the evening. But we can't believe everything we read.

Maybe she didn't have plans made yet when she spoke with Hubby? WE don't know if this was a spur of the moment thing planned after she spoke to Mike, KWIM?

 

[mamamia54]

Maybe she didn't have plans made yet when she spoke with Hubby? WE don't know if this was a spur of the moment thing planned after she spoke to Mike, KWIM?

Also To Eileen - It certainly could have been a spur of the moment thing, or one that came up during the course of the rest of her work day. And if I'm not mistaken, VOH stated that she had gotten a ride to the bar from Nick, so somewhere within the time she spoke with hubby and the time she either left work or got home, plans HAD changed.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But we have read that when she spoke to him at around 3:00pm she told him that she didn't have any plans for the evening. But we can't believe everything we read.

Now I know I am 'old school' but I would never go to a club without my hubby and he wouldnt go without me. I also know that some hubbys dont have a problem if their wife goes out with the girls to a club. Some will even keep the children if they have any.

But I have to think in this case Kelli didnt tell her husband. Maybe she didnt know she was going at the time he called her. I dont know.

My prime suspect is the one that left the bar with her. I think he thought he was going to score with Kelli. I am sure she may have mentioned her husband was out of town. I dont think Kelli was receptive to his advances and he forced himself on her and after raping her he knew he had to kill her to keep her quiet. He knew he already had a criminal past. He knew if he let her live and she told then he would be going to prison again for many many years this time.

I dont think he would have ever told his 'story' if he knew he hadnt already been seen leaving the bar with her. He had to come clean and make up some stupid nonsensical story about dropping her off to walk the rest of the way home in the dark.

IMO

 

[Eileen730]

I just keep having a problem with how far the entrance is from the apt.If she is going to walk all the way to the entrance why not just walk to the bar.What is it a 20 min. walk?Someone posted their is a second entrance but I do not see it on the map.Is that true?

She could have driven to the entrance so NH could pick her up i dont think she wanted anyone to know exactly where she lived which was smart but maybe comming home it was a problem.

 

[mamamia54]

Now I know I am 'old school' but I would never go to a club without my hubby and he wouldnt go without me. I also know that some hubbys dont have a problem if their wife goes out with the girls to a club. Some will even keep the children if they have any.

But I have to think in this case Kelli didnt tell her husband. Maybe she didnt know she was going at the time he called her. I dont know.

My prime suspect is the one that left the bar with her. I think he thought he was going to score with Kelli. I am sure she may have mentioned her husband was out of town. I dont think Kelli was receptive to his advances and he forced himself on her and after raping her he knew he had to kill her to keep her quiet. He knew he already had a criminal past. He knew if he let her live and she told then he would be going to prison again for many many years this time.

I dont think he would have ever told his 'story' if he knew he hadnt already been seen leaving the bar with her. He had to come clean and make up some stupid nonsensical story about dropping her off to walk the rest of the way home in the dark.

IMO

I could totally agree with you on almost all points, had their not been now for many many years a serial rapist haunting that particular area.

 

[Eileen730]

Now I know I am 'old school' but I would never go to a club without my hubby and he wouldnt go without me. I also know that some hubbys dont have a problem if their wife goes out with the girls to a club. Some will even keep the children if they have any.

But I have to think in this case Kelli didnt tell her husband. Maybe she didnt know she was going at the time he called her. I dont know.

My prime suspect is the one that left the bar with her. I think he thought he was going to score with Kelli. I am sure she may have mentioned her husband was out of town. I dont think Kelli was receptive to his advances and he forced himself on her and after raping her he knew he had to kill her to keep her quiet. He knew he already had a criminal past. He knew if he let her live and she told then he would be going to prison again for many many years this time.

I dont think he would have ever told his 'story' if he knew he hadnt already been seen leaving the bar with her. He had to come clean and make up some stupid nonsensical story about dropping her off to walk the rest of the way home in the dark.

IMO

I read they are seperated and Nick knew she was married but was told it was complicated!

 

[VOH910]

Also ,the 28 dollars tab could be grossly misrepresented. Say if the tab wasnt hit with everything ordered that night or some drinks were paid for and then a new tab opened up. I have had the same person tab out like 3 times before. They think they save money or something doing it or I will forget they have a new tab..

I think 28 is low for 4 beer and 4 shots. the shots are 5 a piece whereever I have ever odered one , so that leaves the 2 bucks a piece for the beer. I dunno..

Drinks there are pretty cheap. It depends what they were drinking. Stuff like PBR on tap is $1 and stuff like Yeungling or Coronas are $3.50 I believe... Shots can go anywhere from $2 - $4.50. It really depends what they drank.

 

[Dion]

the "unpaid?" bar bill bothers me. The bill was attributed to both Nick and Kelli, not just Kelli (possibly because he asked to have it started).

would Nick have spent 6 hours without a drink, not even a soda?

I don't believe Kelli would have just walked away without paying the bill. Maybe she gave cash to Nick to settle it before they left.

Even though Kelli apparently had no purse with her. She probably had a few $'s and a credit card in her pocket - no-one goes out without any money at all. Is it possibly that she paid by credit card and that is why the bar had the record?

Many thanks VOR for your insight!

 

[mamamia54]

the "unpaid?" bar bill bothers me. The bill was attributed to both Nick and Kelli, not just Kelli (possibly because he asked to have it started).

would Nick have spent 6 hours without a drink, not even a soda?

I don't believe Kelli would have just walked away without paying the bill. Maybe she gave cash to Nick to settle it before they left.

Even though Kelli apparently had no purse with her. She probably had a few $'s and a credit card in her pocket - no-one goes out without any money at all. Is it possibly that she paid by credit card and that is why the bar had the record?

Many thanks VOR for your insight!

It was a cash only bar. And I wish we knew when or if Nick returned to the bar that night.