NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26

[kiki the parrot]

I agree with you on this one, Patty G.
No way would Carey have lost her children if she refused to turn Shaniya over to AD.

IMO:

In fact, Carey could have shown LE that she, herself, was listed as the contact person at Shaniya's school. Carey could have also gotten several people to state that Shaniya had, in fact, been living with herself and her brother for most of her little life. Worst case scenario, DCFS could be called in and neither would have wound up with Shaniya until all had been sorted out. That would have kept Shaniya out of harms way temporarily at least. Had Carey raised he!!, it would have brought awareness to Shaniya and she would possibly still be alive. She could have brought awareness to the fact that there had been possible child abuse while Shaniya was at her mother's.

Then, if Shaniya still would have been turned over to AD, Carey could have raised he!! every single day ensuring that AD wouldn't dare let anything happen to Shaniya while many eyes would be watching. Somehow, I just do not think that AD would have put up much of a fuss to get Shaniya back because of her living conditions. She knew the drill.

(snip, bbm) Thank you. Agree 100%. There were options. According to her she had until that time been a central figure in raising Shaniya, not some random, disinterested party. She had influence and Shaniya continued in her charge and was safely with CDL when BL left once again. Obviously CDL does not bear the greater share of responsibility I just feel it's unconscienable to take so little action. Personally unless, or until I was made--either by legal, or physical force--to let Shaniya out of my watch, I would have at the very least forced the father himself to come home to personally shoulder that responsibility. Instead of having *me* do his dirty work, I would have:

a) let him--insisted he be the one to--deliver "his daughter" from the safety of her secure home and stable school and homelife to the dangerous, disgusting, #ellhole. Then I can honestly say, it's on YOU dad; while

b) reporting continually my concerns to the appropriate agencies and convey to AD these concerns are being scrutinized; AND

c) staying in communication w school officials and teacher re all of those concerns; and above all

d) checking daily--phoning and driving over--to inquire concerning Shaniya's welfare during this five week period.

Guess that's just me too friend. If Shaniya meant as much to her as she says, then she owed her "soulmate" this much.

arrot:

 

[tlcya]

I know it is completely OT but has anyone come up with any theories as to why AD even wanted Shaniya around??? Her lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to having a lot of small children around. She is pregnant with yet another kid, there was a seven year old in the trailer (under foot) . . .

Has ANY decent source even covered why Shaniya was sent there? It has been made to appear as if she wanted another chance at motherhood, but how was that decided? Did she call and announce hey, I've got this job, new living situation, blah blah blah.? But why would she, if she was living the crack ho life??

It just doesn't seem logical that AD would even want Shaniya around.

I pray she did not request her specifically for the unseemly end that befell her!

Another thing that continues to bother me is that MAM has a pretty decent rap sheet but I have seen nothing that would suggest violence or sexually inappropriate behavior against children. I realize that for every pedo there is a first offense or first time getting caught but . . .

Anyone else just get a really "off" feeling about this whole case and everyone involved?

 

[not_my_kids]

I know it is completely OT but has anyone come up with any theories as to why AD even wanted Shaniya around??? Her lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to having a lot of small children around. She is pregnant with yet another kid, there was a seven year old in the trailer (under foot) . . .

Has ANY decent source even covered why Shaniya was sent there? It has been made to appear as if she wanted another chance at motherhood, but how was that decided? Did she call and announce hey, I've got this job, new living situation, blah blah blah.? But why would she, if she was living the crack ho life??

It just doesn't seem logical that AD would even want Shaniya around.

I pray she did not request her specifically for the unseemly end that befell her!

Another thing that continues to bother me is that MAM has a pretty decent rap sheet but I have seen nothing that would suggest violence or sexually inappropriate behavior against children. I realize that for every pedo there is a first offense or first time getting caught but . . .

Anyone else just get a really "off" feeling about this whole case and everyone involved?

Money, image, or combo. Not sure yet which one.

 

[Patty G]

When I get involved with a case, I step outside of the box of the case and use the basic fundamentals of journalism "who, what, why, where, when, and how." I listened to what the individuals have to say and not say, make notes, cross check and rely on the "hairs on the back of my neck" and the good old standard of "that makes no sense".

For me, the only ones that matter is the victim, those associated with the victim, LE and evidence that I can either see or hear. Although, at times, my faith in LE gets a bit "shaded" until I can see the actual facts in the case.

In life, raising a family should run rather smoothly, sort of like lining up domino's. At times, when domino's aren't lined up correctly, they won't fall smoothly. In order for it to work, you have to pick up the domino piece, place it correctly, and continue on.

It's those pieces in life, if not fixed, then nothing works. If someone takes a piece or two without replacing it, then the "run of life" has gaps in it only to continue on with gaps.

Life can't have gaps in it when raising children.

 

[suzyq211]

I know it is completely OT but has anyone come up with any theories as to why AD even wanted Shaniya around??? Her lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to having a lot of small children around. She is pregnant with yet another kid, there was a seven year old in the trailer (under foot) . . .

Has ANY decent source even covered why Shaniya was sent there? It has been made to appear as if she wanted another chance at motherhood, but how was that decided? Did she call and announce hey, I've got this job, new living situation, blah blah blah.? But why would she, if she was living the crack ho life??

It just doesn't seem logical that AD would even want Shaniya around.

I pray she did not request her specifically for the unseemly end that befell her!

Another thing that continues to bother me is that MAM has a pretty decent rap sheet but I have seen nothing that would suggest violence or sexually inappropriate behavior against children. I realize that for every pedo there is a first offense or first time getting caught but . . .

Anyone else just get a really "off" feeling about this whole case and everyone involved?

You are so right. None of it makes sense...none of it! I hope we find out something soon, Im going crazy trying to figure this out!

 

[Muffet]

(snip, bbm) Thank you. Agree 100%. There were options. According to her she had until that time been a central figure in raising Shaniya, not some random, disinterested party. She had influence and Shaniya continued in her charge and was safely with CDL when BL left once again. Obviously CDL does not bear the greater share of responsibility I just feel it's unconscienable to take so little action. Personally unless, or until I was made--either by legal, or physical force--to let Shaniya out of my watch, I would have at the very least forced the father himself to come home to personally shoulder that responsibility. Instead of having *me* do his dirty work, I would have:

a) let him--insisted he be the one to--deliver "his daughter" from the safety of her secure home and stable school and homelife to the dangerous, disgusting, #ellhole. Then I can honestly say, it's on YOU dad; while

b) reporting continually my concerns to the appropriate agencies and convey to AD these concerns are being scrutinized; AND

c) staying in communication w school officials and teacher re all of those concerns; and above all

d) checking daily--phoning and driving over--to inquire concerning Shaniya's welfare during this five week period.

Guess that's just me too friend. If Shaniya meant as much to her as she says, then she owed her "soulmate" this much.

arrot:

I guess I'm just assuming CL knew DCF had just investigated AD and determined that she was cool. I thought they all knew, but maybe not...?

But that's JMO with regard to whether she should have taken her over there or fought it with a call to DCF. On the other things, I do agree - in particular, no matter what, she should have been sure to talk to Shaniya on the phone.

Another thing that perplexes me is that, apparently, she never took the rest of Shaniya's clothes over there... I wonder what that was all about...

 

[kiki the parrot]

Clearly, neither DCF, nor the school, nor LE, nor any other appropriate channels had been made adequately aware of the deplorable conditions under which Shaniya--and her brother--were living. Werre they notified again once Shaniya was no longer attending school eg... or wasn't anyone even aware of this. Even if DCF failed to take action or address all the issues the first time, more than one call to a social worker was needed.

arrot:

 

[passionflower]

IMO, it comes down to BL not wanting Shaniya anymore.
He made AD take her and AD didn't want Shaniya either
and then this poor baby was tortured to death.............
just another unwanted child. IMO

I have been against abortions until I read these stories, then
I think the fetus is better off dead than living this sad, awful
unloved life! IMO

 

[lbminnesota]

Excellent posts today with different perspectives; I have a somewhat different take on the assumptions being made.

IMO - Seems redundant since we know little facts at this point.

Carey was primary caregiver
Don't believe it. Until recently, Shaniya went back and forth between AD and Brad's home in the care of one of his girlfriends. I don't doubt Carey was involved but she was one of many caretakers.

What changed recently was Ty leaving and enrolling Shaniya is Carey's school district. Carey's unemployed without health insurance; tells me she needed to get a job and couldn't provide full-time caretaking to Shaniya. Sad thing is I don't hear any comments about how AD was going to secure daycare while she worked. That to me would be a bigger concern at that time.

Carey was aware of abuse and was forced to hand over Shaniya
Don't believe it. I've only heard defensive comments such as "I wouldn't raise my kids in that way." Since Shaniya has been spending time with AD for the past four years in similar neighborhoods, plenty of opportunities to raise concern.

Carey should have called DSS/Did her own inspection
Why? She never mentioned specific concerns; just vague impressions after the fact. And if she had went inside, what exactly would she have seen. Since we now know DSS conducted a home visit within last two months, she probably would have seen the same as DSS. Messy, cramped, not a place we'd like to live - not enough to remove a child.

Brad should have never let this happen
I don't think he let this happen. The visual of the two homes is what this is about. Since he's home maybe once a month, he'd probably spend the same amount of time with Shaniya no matter where she was living. And if DSS had informed him of their visit, he'd be guiltless as they gave the OK.

I may be wrong, but I doubt if we see human trafficking charges once this case goes to trial. The police needed to arrest her and had very little time to investigate. I believe they had an initial theory, couldn't charge AD with kidnapping since she was at home, and suspect she willingly gave Mario the child. But unless they have concrete evidence or she has confessed, the DA wouldn't move forward with the charge.

 

[not_my_kids]

I think the trafficking charges came from previous incidents. Nothing to back that up, except that nothing else fits. You can't kidnap a child that is given. You can't give a child that has already been kidnapped.

My tail hurts, I've been chasing it for weeks now.

 

[not_my_kids]

Clearly, neither DCF, nor the school, nor LE, nor any other appropriate channels had been made adequately aware of the deplorable conditions under which Shaniya--and her brother--were living. Werre they notified again once Shaniya was no longer attending school eg... or wasn't anyone even aware of this. Even if DCF failed to take action or address all the issues the first time, more than one call to a social worker was needed.

arrot:

they investigated shortly before Shaniya was sent there, so how can DSS not have known? They knew. It's called worker discretion. A dangerous and outdated practice, imo.

 

[southern_comfort]

Anyone else just get a really "off" feeling about this whole case and everyone involved?

That is exactly my feeling. I think there is a ton we don't know yet. I have a strong feeling the trafficking charge against AD relates to one or a series of previous transactions that are probably well-documented. I think part of her desire to "be a mother" was dollar signs in her eyes, drug induced or otherwise.

Shaniya was raped, but I am not at all convinced that MAM raped her. In fact, I tend to think he didn't. Perhaps LE is relying on the fact that her little body showed definite evidence of rape by *somebody*, and MAM is charged because (a) he was the last person seen with her and (b) he murdered her. In that case, he might be able to clear himself of the rape charge if he were to reveal who he took her to see at the hotel that particular day, but there could be compelling reasons for him not to do that.

((Hello to all, by the way. I was captivated by Shaniya and watched with baited breath as the search went on, and my heart broke when it turned out as it did. I've been lurking here for some time and, like all of you, I'm looking forward to some answers)).

 

[Oriah]

Hello all,

I'm a newbie (although longtime lurker) and am not familiar with the posting here yet, so if I make any mistakes PLEASE let me know.
This post is O/T to what ya'll have been discussing but I didn't know how else to do it.

I am very familiar with Shaniya's case as her body was found only a few hundred yards from my home. I drive past the site daily and am dismayed that there is no memorial for her- simply a few scraps of crime scene tape that were not torn down when her body was removed. I'm also a SAR dog owner and trainer. I am (unfortunately) very familiar with crimes scenes, missing persons, etc; and have noticed in Shaniya's case, the lack of what usually occurs when a child is discovered in such a horrible manner, and who had clearly suffered so much in the process.

It is killing me that there is no memorial- no teddy bears, no xmas wreaths, no ANYTHING at the site Shaniya was found at. Last week, I left a tiny angel statue and some gold flowers, hoping it would spark a community response...but- nothing.

Is there anyone local willing to help me remember and mark the spot where she was found (instead of just the 'home' she disappeared from)? Thousands of people drive by this location daily. It is heartwrenching to me that she is not even remembered in this way.
Thanks in advance,
Oriah

 

[songline]

I know it is completely OT but has anyone come up with any theories as to why AD even wanted Shaniya around??? Her lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to having a lot of small children around. She is pregnant with yet another kid, there was a seven year old in the trailer (under foot) . . .

Has ANY decent source even covered why Shaniya was sent there? It has been made to appear as if she wanted another chance at motherhood, but how was that decided? Did she call and announce hey, I've got this job, new living situation, blah blah blah.? But why would she, if she was living the crack ho life??

It just doesn't seem logical that AD would even want Shaniya around. I agree that she should have left her were she was if it was about love, but it wasn't
I pray she did not request her specifically for the unseemly end that befell her!

Another thing that continues to bother me is that MAM has a pretty decent rap sheet but I have seen nothing that would suggest violence or sexually inappropriate behavior against children. I realize that for every pedo there is a first offense or first time getting caught but . . . They have done this many times before they get caught.
Anyone else just get a really "off" feeling about this whole case and everyone involved?

Welfare, pay off a debt, and Child Trafficking.
In short MULA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I cant come up with more then this.

 

[songline]

Hello all,

I'm a newbie (although longtime lurker) and am not familiar with the posting here yet, so if I make any mistakes PLEASE let me know.
This post is O/T to what ya'll have been discussing but I didn't know how else to do it.

I am very familiar with Shaniya's case as her body was found only a few hundred yards from my home. I drive past the site daily and am dismayed that there is no memorial for her- simply a few scraps of crime scene tape that were not torn down when her body was removed. I'm also a SAR dog owner and trainer. I am (unfortunately) very familiar with crimes scenes, missing persons, etc; and have noticed in Shaniya's case, the lack of what usually occurs when a child is discovered in such a horrible manner, and who had clearly suffered so much in the process.

It is killing me that there is no memorial- no teddy bears, no xmas wreaths, no ANYTHING at the site Shaniya was found at. Last week, I left a tiny angel statue and some gold flowers, hoping it would spark a community response...but- nothing.

Is there anyone local willing to help me remember and mark the spot where she was found (instead of just the 'home' she disappeared from)? Thousands of people drive by this location daily. It is heartwrenching to me that she is not even remembered in this way.
Thanks in advance,
Oriah

I think there was a candle light vigil last Sunday on that spot as well as in the church....
I am in a different state, so I am of no use to you...
WELCOME and your heart is in the right place

 

[Oriah]

Thanks....I am in and out of town a lot so am not aways immediately aware of what is going on...I did not see any candlelight memorial there, just at the trailer park. I must have missed it, and just have not seen any sort of 'permanent' memorial. Given that it's within eyeshot of my home (not that every child found is not within someone's eyeshot, right? But it really does hit home when it's right there.) I don't know- guess I just want each and every one of those thousands of drivers passing by each day to remember that a beautiful innocent child can be easily forgotten if there are no visual reminders. And if that reminder is to pay attention to the vehicles around them, because there is always another Shaniya waiting to happen...then that would be a good thing.

Thanks for the update. I know the community cares.

Oriah

 

[Carolina Girl]

IMOO. We need to remember the type of people we are talking about, and what they have been charged with. I don't know that if I had been Carey, I would have refused to turn Shaniya over with no legal standing to do so. Who knows, who may have turned up at her house, and what they would have done to her children if she had refused?

The reason I am so frustrated is we are not being told anything by LE. But we need to allow them to do their job, and get it right. Dot all of the i's and cross all of the t's.

As much as we want answers, sadly, we may not hear what we want to know until it all goes to court. I don't think NC is as generous with information as Florida with its Sunshine Law.

One of the players may "break". I think if one does, it will be Carey. She at least is showing emotions which are expected, such as anger. But what could she really tell if she did?

God help us all as we continue on this journey, but mostly watch out for the Little Children.

JMO

 

[Carolina Girl]

Thanks....I am in and out of town a lot so am not aways immediately aware of what is going on...I did not see any candlelight memorial there, just at the trailer park. I must have missed it, and just have not seen any sort of 'permanent' memorial. Given that it's within eyeshot of my home (not that every child found is not within someone's eyeshot, right? But it really does hit home when it's right there.) I don't know- guess I just want each and every one of those thousands of drivers passing by each day to remember that a beautiful innocent child can be easily forgotten if there are no visual reminders. And if that reminder is to pay attention to the vehicles around them, because there is always another Shaniya waiting to happen...then that would be a good thing.

Thanks for the update. I know the community cares.

Oriah

Welcome! Perhaps if nothing else, you and your neighbors could get together to get one of the roadside crosses that mark sites of fatalities? That at least would be better than nothing. But remember, Shaniya is not there, and we really do not know if that is where she died.

 

[adtwah]

With respect to CLD, I'm willing to give her a little leeway because she seems to genuinely grieving for Shaniya. She may hated dropping Shaniya off at that garbage heap out at Sleepy Hollow. She may have been very concerned. I am not clear if she called out there, except for that time AD said:"You will never see Shaniya again." CLD was in an awkward situation since Shaniya was not in her custody and BL was the decision-maker. She may not be a very assertive person. I'm not defending her or making excuses for her; I'm just saying I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt at this point.

 

[not_my_kids]

Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there, I do not sleep...

With that in mind, instead of just a bunch of stuff on the roadside, why not do something for a living child? There are plenty of them that need help, just as much as Shaniya did.
None of us could save her, but maybe the next one...