that picture of her in the white dress is so beautiful, she looks like a little angel there.
RIP little angel.
NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26
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RIP little angel.
I agree and feel the same. I don't think I can express how much this case has affected me in so many different ways.
IMO- I think most who have posted re: this situation with Shaniya are correct. There were a tremendous amount of mistakes made by every adult involved in her life. Parents, caregvers, abusers, murderers, DSS, government, etc. I hate to type that because none of it seems necessary to me. We have backup's for ALL of these systems. And while I like to think I am not an extremist in ay way at all- the reality is that Shaniya (and many children just like Shaniya) are hurt and often murdered because of the situation they have been been put in by the adults in their life...without anyone DOING a thing about it.
We are not talking accident. We are not talking about you incorrectly buckling your child into their car seat. We are not talking about sending your child to the best preschool or school you could find in your neighboorhood (good bad or ugly) or if you you had oi leave them at 6am to go to work and the bus picked them up at 7:15am.
We are talking Neglect. Abuse. Death.
As far as I am concerned it might as well be a similar comparison to other triages of disaster that are evident from the beginning.
Oriah
Sorry for the rambling post, I hope this is not OT. This case has hit me very hard.
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How did the info about the crime scene tape get into my quote above?
That's odd.
Oriah, I admire you for taking care of the tape and planting the bulbs for Shaniya. Your actions have touched my heart.
Praying for Shaniya and all who love her.
Rest in Peace Baby Girl!
That's odd.
Oriah, I admire you for taking care of the tape and planting the bulbs for Shaniya. Your actions have touched my heart.
Praying for Shaniya and all who love her.
Rest in Peace Baby Girl!
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Agree entirely and not defending anyone at all. And am in complete agreement about 'reasonable (responsible?) (and perhaps more so..responsible ? people) that would never leave their infant- or young child- or teenager...inthe care of a strange. But it happens ALL THE TIME. Most strangers are ok, right? (This is something I have to tell myself...). But what I REALLY want to know is how can we prvent out children from those who are NOT ok; whether our children are 6 months old, or 16 years old. What can we do to change this?
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I have been off line for awhile and came back on Today. I just had to escape from all this. On Christmas morning I found myself thinking about all the broken hearts on this board, Sometimes it is overwhelming. In my head I just pictured all the lost loved ones being a part of a Happy Birthday Party..... Its silly I know but it helps cope.
I am still here however and still thinking of this beautiful girl everyday as well as Taylor and Skyla.
I have been off line for awhile and came back on Today. I just had to escape from all this. On Christmas morning I found myself thinking about all the broken hearts on this board, Sometimes it is overwhelming. In my head I just pictured all the lost loved ones being a part of a Happy Birthday Party..... Its silly I know but it helps cope.
I am still here however and still thinking of this beautiful girl everyday as well as Taylor and Skyla.
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My heart is filled w compassion too--for the victim herself, and for responsible parents who employ reasonable measures and exercise a modicum of due diligence on behalf of their child thus plays no role in the circumstances of their child's victimization. (And when others declare that "bashing," it is offensive. Assigning a greater degree of moral--if not legal--responsibility to the father in such an instance isn't "bashing.") JMO
(bbm) Agree. If dad didn't know the mother well enough to even know w what sort of felons she was likely to consort, to what influences and risks she would expose their daughter, whether she would properly supervise or adequately protect her from forseeable harm, they had no business leaving her off the first time. But to not fly home on the first redeye at first word of AD supposed reneging on alleged "weekend" arrangement (and that's per CDL not BL--who claims they needed a chance to "bond" and for AD to "be a mother") to straighten things out--and get an emergency court order if necessary--is unconscienable IMO. I can't say what role or how much of an influencing factor the new woman in BL's life may have been. But what seems apparent is that dad had other priorities during the final weeks of Shaniya's life.
(bbm) I see no basis on which anyone in the world could've made any such assumption! If this was even the case w CDL which is still no excuse for BL, then why on God's earth--when Shaniya wasn't returned and communication cut off--was there any reason to assume Shaniya was "fine!" That is the LAST thing I would have assumed under those circumstances! :waitasec: In fact, delete that I'd just never come to assume anything of the kind. In CDL's position I'd have been beside myself, urging dad to return; and as BL, frantically trying to book the next plane; and as either one, desperate to at least have daily conversations by telephone until he could.
Yes song Shaniya looks so angelic, fresh, brighteyed and innocent in the now so familiar photo in her pristine white dress. The contrast or juxtaposition of this to the last known camera surveillance images of her is so stark and senseless as to still make me recoil--wince, cringe and cry out why... How tragically far this poor angel went, how great the fall during those last weeks from the appearance, anyway of an well cared for and valued little girl to the motel shots of her unkempt and dazed, being carried like a lamb to the slaughter to the impending evil that awaited her... and IMO the first step of that fall was the delivering of this precious child to a notoriously dangerous, obviously unsafe and unknown environment. That's not "bashing." That's just keeping it real. JMVHO
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That IS odd. I have no idea. it was only meant to be my post. I hope I didn't do anything wrong...it was not intended as a quote, just my post. I don't know what the two half-words are at the bottom either, or where they came from. Sorry?
And thank you for your kind words.
Also praying for Shaniya and all who loved her.
Oriah
KiKi...I know we have been keeping it real and while her Dad is considered a victim. I personally would have no problem to bash his face in, and that would be bashing, wouldn't it....
Not that he ever imagined that something so horrific can happen, who could have imagined such a horrific thing?
It is just that he did not imagine at all that something can and may happen. It is just that he did not go investigate where he was planing to dump her, for his own convenience. AD had a 7 year old he should have looked into how that child is doing too to see what the effect of having AD as a parent can result in. (he would have known at such a time about the DSS investigation too) it is just that he did not call daily to check on her, and given the conditions he left her at, he should have been calling twice every day.
The reason I would bash his face is, others did want to take the child and his decision to give her to AD is appalling - in my book it is how he would have been washing his hands so that he can start all over with his young new GF...
I sure do hope she got to see him better and had the good sense to leave him.
I am thrilled the other children were removed from his custody long ago; he should be neutered.
Shanaya did not stand one chance once she got to AD. His one night stand
Another BS story I do not believe any more then I believe that he wanted AD to learn to be a Mom. She already had a 7 year old if she had not learned in 7 years? chances are she was never going to learn.
I do not believe CDL only sent her for 2 days and had no knowledge that Shanaiya was going to staying with AD.
In fact I actually do not believe any thing that came from this brother and sister at all.
IMHO if they tell the truth they would also be liable in some ways. JMHO
and while I am sure they feel pain at the results - I do not care about thier pain.
THIS IS WHAT I DO BELIEVE: If they were to tell the truth which seems to be - "We just had enough responsibility and knew that AD can get welfare so we sent her there".
I think that would have been called the truth, but that would probably get many angry folks to thier doors, MOO.
ALL is just my opinion, but I am not moving off my position. Because that is all that makes sense to me.
Even pet owner would have done a better search as to where they leave their pets.
Not that he ever imagined that something so horrific can happen, who could have imagined such a horrific thing?
It is just that he did not imagine at all that something can and may happen. It is just that he did not go investigate where he was planing to dump her, for his own convenience. AD had a 7 year old he should have looked into how that child is doing too to see what the effect of having AD as a parent can result in. (he would have known at such a time about the DSS investigation too) it is just that he did not call daily to check on her, and given the conditions he left her at, he should have been calling twice every day.
The reason I would bash his face is, others did want to take the child and his decision to give her to AD is appalling - in my book it is how he would have been washing his hands so that he can start all over with his young new GF...
I sure do hope she got to see him better and had the good sense to leave him.
I am thrilled the other children were removed from his custody long ago; he should be neutered.
Shanaya did not stand one chance once she got to AD. His one night stand
Another BS story I do not believe any more then I believe that he wanted AD to learn to be a Mom. She already had a 7 year old if she had not learned in 7 years? chances are she was never going to learn.
I do not believe CDL only sent her for 2 days and had no knowledge that Shanaiya was going to staying with AD.
In fact I actually do not believe any thing that came from this brother and sister at all.
IMHO if they tell the truth they would also be liable in some ways. JMHO
and while I am sure they feel pain at the results - I do not care about thier pain.
THIS IS WHAT I DO BELIEVE: If they were to tell the truth which seems to be - "We just had enough responsibility and knew that AD can get welfare so we sent her there".
I think that would have been called the truth, but that would probably get many angry folks to thier doors, MOO.
ALL is just my opinion, but I am not moving off my position. Because that is all that makes sense to me.
Even pet owner would have done a better search as to where they leave their pets.
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Kimberly - I honestly don't think it matters a bit that AD was the incubator, she chose drugs over being a mother and she chose an unhealthy lifestyle, that children shouldn't be exposed to, she doesn't deserve the privilege of caring for her children. The state takes children away from parents everyday. The only reason it hadn't happened to her was she had never challenged Brad for custody and he had never bother becoming Shaniya's legal physical parent.
I don't know how this works elsewhere; in the state of CA if I take my child to a crack house and she dies because of activity in the home, I am negligent and the state can prosecute me for the crime. child abuse, child endangerment, negligent homicide or even murder depending on circumstances.
BL had other options, the worst of them appear to be 110% better than the one he chose. How could he lie in bed at night, eat decent food, wear clean clothes, with his baby girl living in that squalid, pig sty.
I made the mistake of stating why I feel Brad made a very bad choice when he allowed or demanded Shaniya be sent to AD's, using quotes but no links on a site where the owner believes Brad is a victim of AD. He called me on it and since I had already dumped my sources I went back and found as many links as possible to back my statements. In the last 2 weeks, I have reread every comment, written or stated that I could find.
Carey was not, from what I can tell given a choice in keeping Shaniya. When Brad said early on he had no misgivings about giving Shaniya to AD, Aunt Carey said she did, she said she feels AD was negligent in caring for her kids. She also said that she was going to tell Brad about AD saying she would never see Shaniya again, as soon as he got home! This sounds to me that Brad did not want to be bothered with the mundane aspects of child care while he was out of state.
Initially Aunt Carey was supportive of Brad in front of the camera, by the presser on the 17th they didn't touch or look at each other. When done, Brad turned and went inside without a look or a comment to Carey. He left her standing there alone. This nearly shouted to me that they are really at odds with each other. Then she said the relationship she had with Shaniya was deeper than just a parent. I really got the feeling she blames Brad.
Cheyenne went on Nancy Grace and said; I knew of DCS going to the home but I never knew that -- I was told that she wasn`t supposed to have Shaniya, but I did know about -- you know, about Antoinette using drugs, and stuff.
Re: her dad, in another interview Cheyenne said: "He knew Antoinette wasn't capable of taking care of Shaniya,"
The next night Byron went on Nancy Grace to undo the damage his sister's comments caused, halfway into the interview Brad walks up to Byron; watch it and watch Byron.
GRACE: What did you know about the mother? COLEMAN: Me and Antoinette really didn`t have a relationship. I didn`t know much about her. The only thing me and Antoinette ever said to each other was a hi when I was picking up Shaniya and a bye and how have you been?
GRACE: How much time did Antoinette spend with her? COLEMAN: That I`m not aware of because, I mean, I don`t live here in Fayetteville. GRACE: Right.
COLEMAN: I recently moved to Charlotte. But Shaniya was mostly -- my aunt took good care of her as well as my father. The majority of time she was with my father or with my aunt. Just with my aunt spending time and with my father, you know, raising her.
GRACE: Did anybody in your side of the family know that drugs were being sold out of that home? COLEMAN: No, not that I`m aware of. GRACE: That was my understanding.
COLEMAN: No, we didn`t have no clue at all, because if we did, I - we would never let Shaniya go to that type of environment.
GRACE: You knew Antoinette. How could she just hand the baby over, Byron? COLEMAN: And that`s something, I mean, it`s hard to believe a mother would hand a child over to a complete -- I don`t know.
OK, here he said "I didn't know much about her, I didn't talk to her, I don't know how often Shaniya was with her...... but then he completely changes gear to say no one knew what was going on. (I wish I knew what he was going to say... it`s hard to believe a mother would hand a child over to a complete... what?)
And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.
This reference to giving anyone a chance because they might have changed, after Brad saying he raised Shaniya because AD had been having financial problems and knowing nothing about her life style doesn't jive. Why would she need to change to raise Shaniya if she was just broke?
On the 17th, at the presser after hearing Shaniya was in fact dead, BL was asked twice about the comments made by Cheyenne; both times he replied "She is not to speak of that, but most of it is speculation."
When asked of allegations that he was aware of AD's lifestyle and what he knew of the charges. Lockhart said, he was "appalled and disgusted" at the nature of the charges. But he dismissed reports he allowed Shaniya to stay with her mother while knowing it was an unsafe environment. "I choose not to talk about that," he said. "Most of it's speculation, though."
Byron Coleman Sr said on camera, he was angry about Shaniya's death. "He knew the situation with this girl," Coleman said. "He knew the kind of environment. "Why take Shaniya back to a woman like that? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard."
"I would have kept Shaniya, but he never asked me," Phyllis Coleman said. "After all, I kept his (other) three children.''
Tim Allen said Tuesday evening that he told Lockhart not to send Shaniya to live with her mother. "I feel he is 99 percent the reason why this happened in the first place.”
Allen said Lockhart agreed Oct. 1 to let Shaniya stay with his family, a day later he changed his mind. "He said he knew she wasn't supposed to be over there, but he wanted to give her biological mother a chance." Allen said.
We don't know if Aunt Carey, Mr. Allen or Mr. Coleman ever called CPS; if I had to bet on one, it would be Aunt Carey, but done anonymously. We know for sure it wasn't AD's family, they all said she's just a wonderful mom, who wouldn't hurt a hair on their little heads, or brush their hair either if poor Shaniya is any example.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6435879/ (BL presser 11/17 following report that Shaniya ID'ed/COD)
http://johnston.mync.com/site/johns...ya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6443971/
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110
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songline, I keep going back and forth on Aunt Carey, she looks at Brad with such loathing. I still can't get a good read on her. She almost reminds me of a battered spouse, IDK why I get this feeling from her, maybe I just need so badly to believe someone loved this baby girl as much as she deserved to be loved.
We have heard BL didn't raise Shaniya, we have heard that Aunt Carey did; we just haven't heard a single word about why she would no longer be raising her. (Other than Brad saying she needed to go to her mother.)
Her comment about telling Brad "when he got home" that AD said she would never see Shaniya again, makes no sense. Unless she was told by Brad not to go get her and bring her home, ahead of time.
You are so right about Shaniya's family, they certainly did nothing to protect this angel. Just very basic; Parenting 101. I'd love to join you in bashing Brad, like Tim Allen said about the clip of BL breaking down at the vigil, it does nothing for me - he brought this on himself.
I think an excellent punishment for BL would be to spend 6 weeks in that nasty trailer, not able to leave; with some dopers to care for him the same way Shaniya was cared for. I'm sure they would think to throw some food to him eventually. Maybe give him a clean t - shirt to wear and a nasty sofa to sleep on. Too bad it will never happen, I just keep reminding myself "Karma" is a b!tch....
We have heard BL didn't raise Shaniya, we have heard that Aunt Carey did; we just haven't heard a single word about why she would no longer be raising her. (Other than Brad saying she needed to go to her mother.)
Her comment about telling Brad "when he got home" that AD said she would never see Shaniya again, makes no sense. Unless she was told by Brad not to go get her and bring her home, ahead of time.
You are so right about Shaniya's family, they certainly did nothing to protect this angel. Just very basic; Parenting 101. I'd love to join you in bashing Brad, like Tim Allen said about the clip of BL breaking down at the vigil, it does nothing for me - he brought this on himself.
I think an excellent punishment for BL would be to spend 6 weeks in that nasty trailer, not able to leave; with some dopers to care for him the same way Shaniya was cared for. I'm sure they would think to throw some food to him eventually. Maybe give him a clean t - shirt to wear and a nasty sofa to sleep on. Too bad it will never happen, I just keep reminding myself "Karma" is a b!tch....
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TGIRecovered - great job putting all the details together.
Yes it shows that they all knew enough to know that shaniya should have never been sent there.
I also personally think that much of what BL and CLD said was off the cuff, quick thinking cover my b//tt stuff...they are grieving yes..but also somehow trying to figure out how to explain away how they could take this little princess to that dump and leave her in those horrible conditions
the "weekend visit" I think was off the top of the head stuff...we still have NO real idea of how many clothes were packed for her, how many toys and things...did she have a cell phone?? did anyone call?? These facts are not "public" cause of course BL and CLD are not the ones arrested and who will stand trial
but the trial of public opinion will stand against them....I am disgusted that they got the "entertainment" lawyer, and I am disgusted to think that BL might try to have a new career doing "speeches" against child slavery and prostitution....that is just ridiculous
we have enough legit "foundations" we don't need another "foundation" , one that might pay him to run it...IMHO he has NO advice to give to anyone
any speech he gives should include a picture of his house on one side, and the trailer of torture on the other....a picture of Shaynia dressed as a princess on one side and on the other side that haunting picture of her at the elevator in the arms of a monster....
then let the audience boo him off the stage
I think the best thing the 2 of them can do is slink out of the public eye and do their own penance with whatever they believe in, do good works, or pray or whatever, just stay off my tv screen cause if I see them I might kick it LOL
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LCoastMom:
Since you quoted me, I will answer you directly.
You make some great points.
But, IMO several of the things you listed came from other parties that may or may not have an "axe to grind" with BL. There was a long ugly custody battle that ensued after the death of his wife.
Cheyanne was interviewed a few times and changed her story several times, depending on who was sitting by her at the time. Her dad was the best dad in the world in one interview, less than 24 hours later, that changed. When she was sitting with her dad's "friend".
We don't know the details of any custody situation with Shaniya.
IMO she went for one weekend (she had done this before as I recall). After that weekend, AD would not give her back.
Now, If Aunt C did not have legal rights, what what she to do?
BL was out of town, I'm not sure he had any legal rights either. What was he to do?
IMO they were gonna handle it when he got back. I don't think they thought she was in danger.
I know that several have commented they should have been on the phone with LE but LE would not do anything if the bio mom had her and would not give her back. If there was no formal custody ruling. IMO
I know this post will be picked apart and I will be told how wrong I am. That is fine.
But, IMO BL made mistakes that I know he regrets. He will live with that the rest of his life. I don't think he would have ever imagined the monster would have done this to Shaniya. Who could have ever thought that?
Aunt C will regret her actions the rest of her life as well.
But, AD and MAM killed this child. They are in jail for it.
If info comes out that BL knew more about the situation, I will jump on ship and blame him for this, but right now, I don't see it.
I think there are a lot of circumstances in this case that we do not know yet. They will come out. Then we can look at it.
Since I don't know any FACTS that point to BL for me, I can't judge him for the death of this child.
It's my opinion.
Since you quoted me, I will answer you directly.
You make some great points.
But, IMO several of the things you listed came from other parties that may or may not have an "axe to grind" with BL. There was a long ugly custody battle that ensued after the death of his wife.
Cheyanne was interviewed a few times and changed her story several times, depending on who was sitting by her at the time. Her dad was the best dad in the world in one interview, less than 24 hours later, that changed. When she was sitting with her dad's "friend".
We don't know the details of any custody situation with Shaniya.
IMO she went for one weekend (she had done this before as I recall). After that weekend, AD would not give her back.
Now, If Aunt C did not have legal rights, what what she to do?
BL was out of town, I'm not sure he had any legal rights either. What was he to do?
IMO they were gonna handle it when he got back. I don't think they thought she was in danger.
I know that several have commented they should have been on the phone with LE but LE would not do anything if the bio mom had her and would not give her back. If there was no formal custody ruling. IMO
I know this post will be picked apart and I will be told how wrong I am. That is fine.
But, IMO BL made mistakes that I know he regrets. He will live with that the rest of his life. I don't think he would have ever imagined the monster would have done this to Shaniya. Who could have ever thought that?
Aunt C will regret her actions the rest of her life as well.
But, AD and MAM killed this child. They are in jail for it.
If info comes out that BL knew more about the situation, I will jump on ship and blame him for this, but right now, I don't see it.
I think there are a lot of circumstances in this case that we do not know yet. They will come out. Then we can look at it.
Since I don't know any FACTS that point to BL for me, I can't judge him for the death of this child.
It's my opinion.
It seems to me that every breathing person who ever heard of the area where AD lived knew it
was a horrible area known for its drugs, prostitution and felons.
Seems to me wherever there is an army base there is an area like this one.
Seems to me BL was a soldier not to long ago, what if he actually found AD because of that
area as many soldiers do.
It seems to me that others offered to take Shaniya because they all knew about AD and, that
shaniya should not have been there.
It seems to me that BL intentionally called AD a one night stand so we would not have a bad
opinion of him....
It seems to me that any person should check where they leave a child especially a father who
already knew what kind of a person AD was.
Did he imagine this horrific outcome? I doubt it.
Did he think it was safe place for his daughter? I don't think he gave it any thought at all as
long as it did not interfere with his life.
I am not giving him a pass. :sick:
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For all my blustering, even I know it's a problem that will never be eradicated. Every time you build a better mousetrap...
But, it does sicken me to see how easy it is. Just from some of these cases, Shaniya, Sandra Cantu, and countless others, it seems like kidnapping and killing is easy. And what's bad, is that very few of the people that do these things are squeaky clean, and it seems like there was always someone that knew.
In Shaniya's case, all these people come up after the fact, talking about their suspicions and concerns...that they never did anything about. And it's the same in so many others, people know and they don't do anything.
I think one of the things that would really help is to make every competent adult a mandated reporter. If you suspect or know that a child is being abused, and you do nothing, it should result in a heavy fine and a jail term. That would open some mouths in time to save others.
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I think this case with Shaniya shined a light on the torment of Child Trafficking. I don't think that
BL has anything to offer Child Trafficking at all accept that he was Shanaiya's father.
There was a definite destine with the brother and sister.
they could barely look at each other. To me it felt as if she HAD to support his butt or the blame would
end up in his ball park.
I somehow remember that she is a single parent and unemployed....I wonder if it became an issue and
BL thought that AD can get welfare - just guessing here, Maybe he is helping sis financially.
Another possibility that I had not voice yet is: CDL has a son; what IF Shaniya was trying to give him
B job?
What if Shaniya has been abused at AD before, and thought she was being a good girl by trying to give
CDLs son a B Job???? This could have created another situation for CDL that she did not know how to
deal with...This may be how she knew that AD was not a good place for the child. Just saying.....
CDL knew that sending her there was not good, she did not think AD was a good mom, and that is all
she said. BUT if she knew that much she knew much, much more.....
Actually IMHO She knew enough to make a difference.
His 20 year old son knew MAM was a felon...and said even a felon deserves a chance....
IMHO there is something really wrong with this picture. They all knew what was going on there.
I am thrilled his kids are taken care of by other family members, who wanted to take Shaniya too
cant imagine why he would not allow it? other then he would have to give them more money and maybe
he resented that? Again I am just guessing, because it makes no sense not to let the good people have
her, and instead he gave the poor baby to a low life junkie.
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I'm not trying to argue...I stated my opinion and will leave it at that.
But, AD was not a felon. As a matter of fact, her record is pretty clean.
There was a drug thing at one time, but she was never charged on it.
IIRC we checked into her criminal history and her record was clean up
until she sold her child into prostitution.
So, Byron speaking about giving a felon a 2nd chance, I don't think he was speaking of AD, I think he was just trying to provide an example.
Not that it matters, I've seen squeaky clean records on horrific criminals.
I've seen very long rap sheets on some really good people.
I've learned not to use criminal records as a meter to judge since this case.
Because, as horrific of a person AD is, her record was clean.
But, AD was not a felon. As a matter of fact, her record is pretty clean.
There was a drug thing at one time, but she was never charged on it.
IIRC we checked into her criminal history and her record was clean up
until she sold her child into prostitution.
So, Byron speaking about giving a felon a 2nd chance, I don't think he was speaking of AD, I think he was just trying to provide an example.
Not that it matters, I've seen squeaky clean records on horrific criminals.
I've seen very long rap sheets on some really good people.
I've learned not to use criminal records as a meter to judge since this case.
Because, as horrific of a person AD is, her record was clean.
Byron was clearly speaking about MAM as my post indicated. (it was not an example)
He knew that MAM was a felon and said they all deserve a 2nd chance.
they knew exactly what was going on in that trailer regarding felons and drugs.
I dont want to argue, but I do not want to give him a pass either. :no:
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They as in the children who lived with others?
So Byron and Cheyanne knew? Why didn't they say anything?
Why didn't the people who "wanted" to take Shaniya to raise her because they knew she was in a bad situation say anything?
If everybody knew and did nothing, why are we only blameing BL?
So Byron and Cheyanne knew? Why didn't they say anything?
Why didn't the people who "wanted" to take Shaniya to raise her because they knew she was in a bad situation say anything?
If everybody knew and did nothing, why are we only blameing BL?
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I'll have to look up that video again, I thought he was speaking as to why BL gave AD a chance. When he said everybody deserves a second chance. Felons even deserve a second chance.
That's what I remember, but I will look up the video.
My point in my post was you can't judge someone by their criminal history all the time.
This case has taught me that a mother with a clean record can sell her child into prostitution and hand her off to a murderer.
That was my point.
That's what I remember, but I will look up the video.
My point in my post was you can't judge someone by their criminal history all the time.
This case has taught me that a mother with a clean record can sell her child into prostitution and hand her off to a murderer.
That was my point.
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