NC - Two Duke Lacrosse Players Indicted

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Remember - the prosecutors are less likely to leak out what they know - the defense attorneys go nuts with trying to influence the media right from the start - the prosecutor has to be a bit more careful.

Just a few days ago, it was the photos that proved the crime couldn't have happened, that there was only 7 minutes unaccounted for... then once we got some more info, turns out there's a 27 minute gap, and everything is compatible with the victim's story again... However much you can't trust prosecutors, defense attorneys are far, far less reliable in my experience.

 

[Wudge]

SNIP

the prosecutors are less likely to leak out what they know

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(chuckle)

When you make a joke, at least show a smiley.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I'm trying to keep an open mind here, but if it turns out that one of the guys she is accusing has a pretty solid alibi with ATM photograph, etc., I'm going to have a pretty darn hard time believing this is anything more than a big fat scam. I'm still trying to figure out why she'd do it though. I still don't believe the money angle.

On Catherine Crier this evening it was mentioned more than once that the accuser has an arrest record--and a rather bizarre one at that. She apparently stole a taxi cab from a client (I'm assuming it was the cab's driver) and attempted to run over the man. So "reason" as we understand the word might not come into play here.

 

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On Catherine Crier this evening it was mentioned more than once that the accuser has an arrest record--and a rather bizarre one at that. She apparently stole a taxi cab from a client (I'm assuming it was the cab's driver) and attempted to run over the man. So "reason" as we understand the word might not come into play here.

One of the two men arrested also has a very bizarre arrest record - that applies directly towards violent tendencies.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

One of the two men arrested also has a very bizarre arrest record - that applies directly towards violent tendencies.

I don't see this actually making it to trial, really. Or if it does, it's not going to do anything but rile things up in the area and no one on either side will like the outcome.

 

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I think it needs to go to trial - to get out the truth, whatever that is. They can't leave the impression that they are ignoring a rape because of class and job differences between the accuser and suspects. There's enough information to go forward, barring that an alibi holds up (these defense attorneys have been quite wrong before, so I need to know exactly what they have before I'd say any suspect has been alibi'd).

 

[Summerskye1]

Rity Crosby just interviewed the taxi driver and the taxi driver said that when the two men were in his cab after he picked them up from the party, one of the guys said to the other something like "she was JUST a stripper," or "Don't worry about it - she was just a stripper."

Why would these guys be saying that kind of thing in the back of the cab?

 

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Rity Crosby just interviewed the taxi driver and the taxi driver said that when the two men were in his cab after he picked them up from the party, one of the guys said to the other something like "she was JUST a stripper," or "Don't worry about it - she was just a stripper."

Why would these guys be saying that kind of thing in the back of the cab?

I can think of one reason...

I'm sure their defense attorney will think of another.

 

[Masterj]

I don't see this actually making it to trial, really. Or if it does, it's not going to do anything but rile things up in the area and no one on either side will like the outcome.

Don't know whether it can or will be used, but he was arrested by beating a gay man and calling him derogatory names.

 

[Summerskye1]

OK, now Rita clarified that the guys who got in the cab and remarked "she's JUST a stripper" were different guys from the party who got a ride from that same cab driver after Seligman and friend were already dropped off.

Pardon my confusion.

 

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OK, now Rita clarified that the guys who got in the cab and remarked "she's JUST a stripper" were different guys from the party who got a ride from that same cab driver after Seligman and friend were already dropped off.

Pardon my confusion.

Still interesting - if it were some comment indicating others at the party knew what happened.

 

[Bee Charmer]

(chuckle)

When you make a joke, at least show a smiley.

I agree. Here's one for ya:

Mark Geragos: We will prove our client is stone cold
innocent. :liar:

:crazy:

 

[nanandjim]

The more I hear about this case, the more disgusted I am with the DA and feel that he is in it for his own political reasons.

I have heard from more than one media source on different stations that this stripper was impaired (either alcohol and/or drugs) BEFORE she arrived to strip. At this point, I think the young men arrested are getting a bum deal, with a big rush to judgment.

It is absolutely horrifying as I believe that at least one of them has left school. So, it is costing the parents a lot of money to defend these kids as well as interrupting their college studies, not to mention what it is doing to their reputations and well being.

P.S. I am usually on the side of the victims, but I am not in this case. I find myself actually agreeing with Wudge.

 

[christine2448]

The accuser at the party, smiling. (face obscured for privacy)

The accuser in a car outside the party.

The accuser on the back porch of the house where the party was held, wearing one shoe.

The accuser on the floor, with one shoe off.

 

[CordovaMom]

Going out on a limb here.....not saying the rape didn't happen, just don't have enough evidence at this time to determine which side of the story is true ...in any event something went through my mind last night.........what if the boys decided to rip off the stripper for the money they were supposed to pay her, took the money from her purse, after the stripper got in the car she realized the money was missing and concocted the story about the rape to get even with the boys. I'm leaning towards the boys doing something that night, not sure if it was rape or just ripping off the stripper. They were not using their real names (that to me indicates they knew they were up to no good), if the report of the cab driver is correct, he had a fare from the party that remarked "she's just a stripper". I think something happened that night, but would like to know where the stripper was before this party. Was she at another party? Did she arrive at this party already under the influence?

 

[Wudge]

The more I hear about this case, the more disgusted I am with the DA and feel that he is in it for his own political reasons.

I have heard from more than one media source on different stations that this stripper was impaired (either alcohol and/or drugs) BEFORE she arrived to strip. At this point, I think the young men arrested are getting a bum deal, with a big rush to judgment.

It is absolutely horrifying as I believe that at least one of them has left school. So, it is costing the parents a lot of money to defend these kids as well as interrupting their college studies, not to mention what it is doing to their reputations and well being.

P.S. I am usually on the side of the victims, but I am not in this case. I find myself actually agreeing with Wudge.

I have no idea if she was raped or not. Unless there were bystanders, only the alleged victim, her alleged rapists and a power higher than you and I would know that.

In all cases, I simply hold to the presumption of innocence unless reliable and valid evidence takes me over the hurdle of: proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Typically, high-profile cases are the media's opportunity to demonize a person or persons who is/are totally innocent. Thus, maintaining my stance is not only the path our legal system lives by, it is the intelligent and prudent approach to all cases.

 

[nanandjim]

...intelligent and prudent...

Yep, that describes me to a tee...

 

[jodierenee]

i might get flamed for this,

but you would think they would hire more "high class" strippers than the ones they did...:silenced:

and for a mostly white male lacrosse team...why would they intentionally hire black strippers? Not saying white men can't like black women, but you get my jist.

Unless they had a plan to do something bad to these women...

 

[close_enough]

new info about the fingernails.....4 false fingernails were found in the bathroom...at 12:04 there's a picture of the girl w/o those fingernails....
per foxnews...this info coming from the defense...

from everything i've heard, i have to say this is a scam to get money...(for right now anyway)....one thing that i heard that was suspicious though, was that the house was completely cleared of people at 1 am when LE got there....it sounds like everyone left the house rather fast.....it doesn't sound like there were all that many people there either....what?, less than 20 from what i can gather......

unless some DNA can come to light, i don't see how a gang rape could have happened for 30 minutes in that bathroom, that fast with not a bit of DNA....

course i realize some other testing hasn't come back yet.....

 

[close_enough]

Unless they had a plan to do something bad to these women...

i wonder about that also...let's face it, there's some gorgeous strippers out there, black & white......