NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #36

[netsleuther]

When I was very young with my first child...he was about 4 years old and I remember me spanking him. I have never spanked one of my 4 children since that day. I realized I wasn't spanking to get their attention to show them but rather my anger. I thank God for showing me that. There are so many other better ways then to spank a child.

It wasn't a beating, it was a spanking, but I spanked because I was mad and that is so wrong to do. I had seen the light!

I was talking to a lady one night and we were on this subject, she used to get beaten all the time for the smallest of things.

She asked me how I coped with my kids. At that time my daughter was only staying at my place every second weekend and half the holidays etc but I had my son full time. Willful abandonment by his mother. Anyway I explained to her how I would very rarely smack my son he would have to either hit me or hit his sister deliberetly for me to smack him.

She said how can you not smack them for other things and she described the usual pain in the butt kid that is just being a kid and making mistakes, learning etc. She said, I used to get hit for everything how did you do it.

I said, "I picture my kids as the best friend I have had that I never want to lose"

And I wasn't trying to impress her...not my style

Both my kids are here with me now and their mother has nothing to do with them, she is rude to them when they phone her asking to speak with their little 4yr old brother that they havent seen in a long time. Her attitude was, if you want to live with your father you are never to step foot in this house again...seems like she meant it, but it's her loss because my kids will track down their little brother when he grows up and they will be able to catch up.

On a funnier note, well it is for me. I was once asked if I were living in a stable relationship, I said yes. And then a little while later the same person said where is your partner, I said I don't have one. She smiled and said, I shouldn't have assumed so much. I then said well I don't fight with myself so I am in a stable relationship

 

[netsleuther]

I just thought of something that I knew but not sure people are aware of it. All fingerprints in that house, they will be doing a check on EVERYONE OF THEM..they will confirm their alibi for the timeline they have. I think they pretty much have that established now but of course we don't yet.

I'm inclined to think what we will hear in the next week the day Zahra passed on. I also think a body will be found this week. (ok the last one is my hope)

I hope they have good cell phone reception too when they do their alibi checks to see who's phone can drive by itself.

I wonder if a call was made to say the leg has been dropped off.

 

[Lera213]

I was talking to a lady one night and we were on this subject, she used to get beaten all the time for the smallest of things.

She asked me how I coped with my kids. At that time my daughter was only staying at my place every second weekend and half the holidays etc but I had my son full time. Willful abandonment by his mother. Anyway I explained to her how I would very rarely smack my son he would have to either hit me or hit his sister deliberetly for me to smack him.

She said how can you not smack them for other things and she described the usual pain in the butt kid that is just being a kid and making mistakes, learning etc. She said, I used to get hit for everything how did you do it.

I said, "I picture my kids as the best friend I have had that I never want to lose"

And I wasn't trying to impress her...not my style

Both my kids are here with me now and their mother has nothing to do with them, she is rude to them when they phone her asking to speak with their little 4yr old brother that they havent seen in a long time. Her attitude was, if you want to live with your father you are never to step foot in this house again...seems like she meant it, but it's her loss because my kids will track down their little brother when he grows up and they will be able to catch up.

On a funnier note, well it is for me. I was once asked if I were living in a stable relationship, I said yes. And then a little while later the same person said where is your partner, I said I don't have one. She smiled and said, I shouldn't have assumed so much. I then said well I don't fight with myself so I am in a stable relationship

LOL at the last part. Yeah I was very young at the time and stupid. I could write a book about my life.

Kids are so precious and they trust adults to betray that trust is unthinkable. I still have guilt and shame for that one spanking. Live and learn but still..how could I!

 

[Lera213]

I hope they have good cell phone reception too when they do their alibi checks to see who's phone can drive by itself.

Forgive me but I've been awake now for 32 hours and I didn't understand what you meant.

 

[Lera213]

Ok something is bothering me and this is why either AB or someone else disposed of Zahra. That is EB has lupus and I think what I saw when she was arrested was her yell out in pain when the cuffs were placed on her...that and her talking about her pain. Clearly since in jail she has seen a doctor and they now have her on meds.

I have a friend that has lupus the kind that attacks your joints and stuff. If this is the form of lupus EB had then I doubt she was medicated. My friend without meds couldn't get up out of bed, it literally took her over an hour to get out of bed. She ended up having to get a hip replacements from it.

I suppose she could have remissions, more than flareups but even if in remission damage to joints do not just reverse itself. Just something I've been pondering. I'm going to go try to sleep again.

 

[catnron]

Just who are the parents, is it the State, County, Police, Fire, who? DSS yes, police NO! If someone calls the police on SUSPECTED child abuse, they make a report and they call DSS...I'm pretty sure they followed procedure and DSS was called. DSS yes at fault but holding them guilty of Zahra's death NO that blame can only be placed on the person who killed her!

Wait and I want to add: It is pretty hard for the DSS to find them when they move all the time, take her out of school, and she is not a US citizen...so just tell me was DSS and the police suppose to use their crystal ball to find her and figure it out? My guess is DSS went there, spoke to EB and like in the tape when Zahra got the hearing aide EB came across as one hell of a good mom. I bet she learned that role well and played it when she had to.

If a person cannot do the job then they need to move over so someone can.
I know the case loads are heavy on all states and more help is needed all over.
I now have joined and waiting for my Class to start in January. CASA is a place where we all can step up and join in to help children, it is called CASA, it is every day citizens that judges appoint to advocate for the well being of children who have been removed or put back in homes due to abuse and neglest. They stand for these children like Z and change their lives. CASA Volunteers work with the courts, go to thehomes, stand by the children when no one else will, they are there. Anyone who wishes to help make a difference can step up and do so. A baby or child is waiting for you, I promice one will be there and needs you. The address is www.CASAforchildren.org.. Please help make a difference for a child. Who knows maybe if we all stand up now in a few years we will not have to see another Zora , Caylee, Haliegh child case again. you can also just google CASA for your state, I think all states have CASA now.

 

[lalalemon]

Ok something is bothering me and this is why either AB or someone else disposed of Zahra. That is EB has lupus and I think what I saw when she was arrested was her yell out in pain when the cuffs were placed on her...that and her talking about her pain. Clearly since in jail she has seen a doctor and they now have her on meds.

I have a friend that has lupus the kind that attacks your joints and stuff. If this is the form of lupus EB had then I doubt she was medicated. My friend without meds couldn't get up out of bed, it literally took her over an hour to get out of bed. She ended up having to get a hip replacements from it.

I suppose she could have remissions, more than flareups but even if in remission damage to joints do not just reverse itself. Just something I've been pondering. I'm going to go try to sleep again.

My Aunt also has Lupus and cannot cope day to day without her medication. Even with her medication she often has troubles... MOO!

 

[peg4x4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHSgshvtiKM
mark 2:00 watch his face!

I don't cry easily -- but that has brought me to tears.
LE doesn't seem to think this is anything but murder.
All of this seems to have been onlyto get Zahara to the States. Why?

 

[netsleuther]

Forgive me but I've been awake now for 32 hours and I didn't understand what you meant.

I hit the send button to quick...

I was just wondering who's cell phone's if any can be traced or pinpointed to have been near Christy road when LE start asking questions to people looking for alibi's. Like it would be nice to discover someone in question was actually using their cell phone on Christy road and they say, never been there or talking to someone who had been there and had their phone with them switched on and roaming.

 

[ynotdivein]

Have we had any independent confirmation that EB has lupus? ("Independent" meaning "not having EB as the source.")

Remember that this is the same EB who claimed to have had recurrent brain cancer. And to have been shot in the line of duty as a police officer. Or was it as a bounty hunter? While she was songwriting for Daughtry. And rolling her daughter around in a wheelchair.

My sympathies are with anyone who is really dealing with this disease in their own life... but I don't believe that circle includes EB.

 

[netsleuther]

I don't cry easily -- but that has brought me to tears.
LE doesn't seem to think this is anything but murder.
All of this seems to have been onlyto get Zahara to the States. Why?

When I first Googled, Baker and NC I got another Baker who was murdered come up in the results.

I thought, hope they are not looking for more Bakers to kill in Hickory so I had a little look at who it was and when etc.

 

[nursebeeme]

Hickory Police Deputy Chief Clyde Deal said Sunday that searchers will probably return to Zahra Baker's house early today, and authorities will then decide where to focus for the rest of the week.

No one has been charged yet with abducting or killing Zahra, reported missing by her father and stepmother Oct. 9. Police have treated her disappearance as a homicide investigation for several weeks.

District Attorney Jay Gaither hasn't said if his office is preparing charges but has said he is consulting with the N.C. Attorney General's office and other prosecutors on the issue of prosecuting a murder if the victim's body isn't recovered.

"The absence of a body is not considered to be a bar to prosecution by my office," Gaither wrote recently in an e-mail.



Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ce-making-another-visit-to.html#ixzz141wjgf00

 

[coopzoo]

Have we had any independent confirmation that EB has lupus? ("Independent" meaning "not having EB as the source.")

Remember that this is the same EB who claimed to have had recurrent brain cancer. And to have been shot in the line of duty as a police officer. Or was it as a bounty hunter? While she was songwriting for Daughtry. And rolling her daughter around in a wheelchair.

My sympathies are with anyone who is really dealing with this disease in their own life... but I don't believe that circle includes EB.

ITA. (Thanks button just wasn't enough!) I don't believe a THING that "woman" says.

 

[nursebeeme]

Hickory investigators returned to the Baker house Sunday afternoon. They spent hours alongside SBI agents combing through the modest brick home where Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9.

“Hickory’s lead investigators are going back in to look inside again,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/investigators-comb-through-baker-house-ar-499509/

 

[netsleuther]

LOL at the last part. Yeah I was very young at the time and stupid. I could write a book about my life.

Kids are so precious and they trust adults to betray that trust is unthinkable. I still have guilt and shame for that one spanking. Live and learn but still..how could I!

If you did it once and learned from it you are wise, if you had kept doing it you would have been a fool.

Your child would love you more for being who you are now

 

[netsleuther]

Hickory investigators returned to the Baker house Sunday afternoon. They spent hours alongside SBI agents combing through the modest brick home where Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9.

“Hickory’s lead investigators are going back in to look inside again,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/investigators-comb-through-baker-house-ar-499509/

Are there any web cams streaming on the house so we can see it live?

 

[peg4x4]

I still can't figgure out why EB wanted Zahra along. It had to be her idea.. If AB really cared for her,the very first thing he would have done would be hunt down a Dr...
It was lots of work to get Zahra here,and EB seems allergic to work.



Sorry,I seem to have scattered thoughts today.... :roll:

 

[nursebeeme]

Are there any web cams streaming on the house so we can see it live?

not that I know of NS

 

[nursebeeme]

The stepmother of Zahra Baker is scheduled for another court appearance Monday. This time, Elisa Baker's lawyer's are set to make a case to reduce her bond on several charges including check fraud before a judge in Burke County. Those charges are unrelated to Zahra Baker's disappearance.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/632179/zahra-baker-s-stepmother-seeks-bond-reduction

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/cal...aker,E&start=0&navindex=0&submit=Submit+Query

sure enough... court date today