New "Dateline" - 2010.11.12 Kyron Horman case

[MsFacetious]

I'm also wondering how Desiree is doing now that more information is coming out in the divorce documents...The comment about how she would have taken Kyron had she known what was going on makes me go hmmm.

I couldn't believe no one else mentioned this before you!

Desiree said that she was upset she had no idea all of that was going on and had she known, she would have taken Kyron out of there.

She was referring to Terri being drunk, not taking care of Baby K, falling asleep on the couch, etc. Honestly... Kaine likely should have had Kyron go live with Desiree while he handled that situation if it was that bad.

There likely wasn't warning signs that Terri would hire a hitman, kidnap or kill anyone.... but there were definitely warning signs of danger... according to Kaine's own statements. That is horrible... the knowledge that this could have been prevented... by acting on those warning signs. It was easier when there didn't appear to be any at all.

Again, if she is innocent, what can be used against her? Where? Please show me. And why are you referring to the Miranda rights? She has not been arrested or charged with anything. Many of you here are claiming her innocence, yet on the flip side swear whatever she says will be used against her. It makes no sense.

If I was falsely accused (as many of you are saying she is) of a crime I did not commit, I can tell you now come hell or high water, I will do my damndest to fight and prove my innocence.

Bullied? By whom? Please, do tell! I'm very interested in your theory!

I agree with you, to a point. If I was falsely accused of a crime... I would struggle to talk to law enforcement simply because I trust nobody.

However.... if my options were:

A) Talk and possibly see my child

B) Don't talk and definitely don't see my child

Then the debate would be gone. I would spill my guts for the chance to see my child. I would have to have faith that since I knew I was innocent, my statements would prove that. If I had originally lied, I would have to back up my new statements... but I'd do it. I would also do whatever was required in the case of a missing child.

If she was just refusing to talk... I could somewhat understand that due to a fear of wrongful prosecution.

It is the refusing to talk, knowing that means she will NOT see her baby... that is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Mylou]

I cried every time I seen Kyron in photos, and again when his little friend was interviewed, especially praying every night for Kyron at the dinner table.

I really don't care much about the he said , she said stuff at all. I see only a whole lot of disfunction everywhere, and it doesn't just land on TH's lap either.

I just want to see Kyron found and the person responsible to be accountable.

I didn't learn anything new really from this episode, except I seen more of TH then ever before. Still haven't seen anything to convince me she is quilty of anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

 

[Puglover]

MsFacetious ..Thank you so much for your link to the video of Kyron. I have never seen that one before. This guy really breaks your heart. He was always smiling even though we all know now what he was going through.
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In regards to KH putting up with TH's drinking and passing out and not saying anything about to Desiree, we all want to believe that things will change and I know that KH ever even thought that TH would hurt Kyron he would have taken Kyron out of the house. One never believes that someone in their home who is their wife and stepmother and mother to their child would ever hurt anyone.
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I would imagine that Kyron was threatened by TH to not say a word of what was going on. I hope that LE soon arrest this woman and any of her helpers and put them away for life or give them the death penalty.
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I also agree that TH was not happy being in 4th place. You could tell that she was angry. Personally to me, her dance routine was a little on the sick side.

Please Dear God, I pray that Kryon is found soon. Send you angels out to show others where he might be. He deserves to come home alive or not.
Terri knows where Kyron is, but she thinks that she can fool people into believing that someone else took him. I hope that someone comes forward to LE and tells the truth. One thing for sure, it won't be TH.

 

[Tink56]

BTW...Having never heard TH's voice, I was a little distracted everytime this disembodied voice read TH's words.

Being several states away, I did enjoy seeing the video footage of the area, however.

I was also thinking how counter-productive it is for TH to withhold the simple information where she was during the missing 1.5 hours. Sometimes I think of the investigative hours that have been spent trying to piece together TH's morning. What if it was relatively harmless? What would she want to hide? Drinking? Sex? Those seem so trivial when weighed against the unknown status of Kyron.

I'm glad that people continue to talk about Kyron, look for Kyron, but I'm pretty disgusted with some human behaviors...

 

[GrainneDhu]

well in reality, it doesn't take much to impeach someone and then all their credibility is lost;innocent or guilty. By refusing to speak,she is protecting that.
For example, suppose she was dishonest about her whereabouts because she was having an affair. If information she gave to LE at first has now been proven to be false,everything she may say will be treated as such. If she tells the truth about having an affair during that time, she will have proven herself a liar and impeached herself by speaking out.

Once you impeach yourself it is really hard to get anyone to believe you, even if you are innocent and even if you are ultimately being honest. if she has been impeached and I suspect she has, even if she is innocent, she best keep quiet and that is her right.

I am not saying this is the case and I strongly suspect she is being silent because she has some guilt. But the question was why would she be quiet even if she is innocent.

It is also possible to impeach one's self without any dishonesty involved at all.

One case I know of personally involved a woman who was repeatedly and violently hit over the head by the man who raped her (before the advent of DNA testing). When she was discovered bleeding in the gutter, the first responder asked her if she could identify the attacker. She said no, because she could not emotionally handle talking about it at that moment (sitting bleeding on a curb, to a stranger with a small crowd of strangers standing around her).

Later, she was able to identify her attacker. It was someone she knew casually, not a stranger or a friend. She was absolutely certain she knew who the attacker was.

No charges were ever brought. The prosecutor was kind but said that on the witness stand, the defence would rip her apart because she had initially said no when asked if she could identify the attacker. The prosecutor said that the defence would subpoena her medical records, which would show she had suffered a cracked skull and significant fracture and also use that to imply that her memory was faulty.

The man who attacked her was later convicted for another rape, pretty much the same MO. He was suspected of several more but no charges were brought (possibly because of potential problems with the other victim/witnesses as well).

There are many good reasons to stay silent when suspected of a crime and not many good ones to speak out.

 

[cleo612]

Okay, so a man from her HS is defending her. :waitasec: I'm skeptical of that because of how she's shown she uses her "prowess" with men.

I find it really odd/strange, and quite telling, that there are people from HS defending her, but seemingly few, if any, from the present defending her.

 

[cleo612]

I also wonder about all her other supporters that her HS friend mentioned that did not want to be shown on camera. Why not?

Exactly! Dateline often shows witnesses or commenters in silhouette to protect their privacy; why not this time? Where are these "other supporters?"

 

[darlin gal]

I am guessing Dateline "reached out" to some of her supporters on that Terri Support FB page. Perhaps high school friend that hasn't spoke to her in 20 yrs. is a member of that page?

 

[gwenabob]

I had never met Kaine before Kyron went missing so I have no comparison, but I can see the stress has got to him as by seeing him in person he looks different than in pictures I've taken and seeing him on t.v...
the saying "the camera adds 10lbs" rings true.. =(

Kaine's physical appearance is very much altered from how he looked last June. He looks like he has lost at least 30 lbs, and not all fat, which was scarce on him to begin with. You can see what a toll this has taken on him physically. I just can't imagine. If he doesn't start eating, he will be a mere skeleton very soon. I just don't know how he and Desiree get out of bed every morning except to try to find justice for their son.

 

[JBean]

Not to me. The main concern I had was the time line going to Sauvie, but since Free took me on that route I knew something was wrong about it. She explains above that Dateline took the longer route. I don't know why they did that? Kinda makes me feel hinky about the Dateline show actually.

BUT, if we took this to trial today, there is no way I could vote "guilty" in a jury. There isn't enough evidence released for that, even though I think she appears to be very involved with Kyron's disappearance. Hope that makes sense. :waitasec:

To conceal a body so completely on Sauvie in that tight timeline would be pretty near impossible I would think. If she is involved, that show makes me believe Kyron was definitely handed off. But that is for another thread.
I think she is involved, but not alone.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Innocent people dont fear that their words can incriminate them. It makes no sense she is being bullied into silence since it hasnt stopped her reconnecting with old male classmates on facebook. Terri has incriminated heself. She was so desparate not to incriminate herself that she was willing to give up seeing her small daughter.
Her demeanor after the abduction is major evidence against her. Loving parents would be out of their minds with worry and fear for their child. Terri was sexting like a carefree teenager.
I was initially willing to give her the benefit of a doubt but not any more. Contrast Terris silence with the demeanor of the innocent parents Desiree and kaine and it speaks volumes. Why isnt she demanding the real culprit wsbe caught? Because there is no other culprit and she knows it.

On the other hand...

People under stress shed IQ points like crazy. They don't always do what reasonable people who are not under stress would do. Innocent people sometimes act in ways that make them look really, really guilty.

For an example of this, right here on WebSleuths:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119172"]Found Deceased NM - My Sister, Rochelle Cremona-Simmons - Urgent - Nov. 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

There are actually three different threads; they are about the disappearance of a WS member's sister under what seemed like suspicious circumstances. If you read all three threads, you will find lots of posts focusing on the behaviour of the husband and saying things like "my hinky meter is screaming" in regard to him.

But he's just an innocent victim, according to this news story:

http://www.dailylobo.com/index.php/article/2010/11/apd_suicide_at_unm

Reading those threads, it sounds like her husband was pretty much stumbling around in the dark, like everyone else. His behaviour was not a manifestation of guilt, it was a manifestation of not knowing what the heck to do.

I'm not saying TMH is factually innocent or that her behaviour has not been distasteful at times. All I'm saying is that there are times when factually innocent people act in ways that make them look really, really strange.

 

[Sherazhad]

I cannot understand how any loving parent would put themselves first over a child that is missing and endangered. I cant justify Terri putting her fear of being incriminated over the needs of this child. If she is innocent then she must know that LE are wasting their time with her better to be honest and tell all she knows. Any good parent would put their own needs last. The only thing that makes sense is that she is guilty, and she is no loving parent. She even gave up seeing her 2 year old to protect herself. I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child, and i certainly cant imagine sexting like a teenager weeks later. Common sense points fimly at Terri. I dont support a witch hunt and I am glad that Dateline was balanced. However Terri not talking to LE if she is innocent makes no sense. The only thing that does make sense is Terri is a cold self-centred woman who will do anything to protect herself. I pray we find Kyron soon.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I find it really odd/strange, and quite telling, that there are people from HS defending her, but seemingly few, if any, from the present defending her.

Frankly, if I knew TMH recently, I wouldn't want to speak out.

Because then I'd have to get a lawyer, endure searches of my home, car, computer and who knows what, etc.

At least, that's what has happened to at least three of TMH's more recent friends.

I don't have to be hit by a train to see a trainwreck and understand that it would probably hurt to be involved in one.

 

[mmmagique]

Frankly, if I knew TMH recently, I wouldn't want to speak out.

Because then I'd have to get a lawyer, endure searches of my home, car, computer and who knows what, etc.

At least, that's what has happened to at least three of TMH's more recent friends.

I don't have to be hit by a train to see a trainwreck and understand that it would probably hurt to be involved in one.

The ones who helped her get the batphones?

Yeah I wonder why LE would be suspicious of them? :waitasec:

 

[txsvicki]

More inconsistencies... The gym friend says that Terri was often emotional and lonely, plus looked a wreck and tired every day. Part of that could describe a hangover, but why on earth would she want to go work out like that unless it was for free childcare. It definitely does not fit with Kaine saying that she spent her time there flirting.

 

[TxLady2]

I really think Kaine would have accomplished more if he had held off with the divorce and the RO, because alienating a spouse and taking away their child is NOT the way to get them to talk. I think he hurt their chances of getting her to tell anything she knows. Terri has been backed into a corner now and she can't come out fighting, because that would make her look even worse. She really has no choice but to keep her silence and wait until they charge her with something.
And it is not always true that innocent people have nothing to fear. Many people have been convicted of crimes they did not commit. It appears that LE does not know what happened to Kyron so what are they going to charge her with? No evidence of murder.
I appreciate Dateline for trying to present a fair and balanced report, it's important for people who follow these cases to see both sides. If this case was brought to trial now, and I were on the jury, I could not convict her based on what I know.
Kaine and Desiree believe Kyron is alive, maybe they think Terri handed him off to someone else and that is a strong possibility. I hope for everyone's sake that is true.

 

[TxLady2]

More inconsistencies... The gym friend says that Terri was often emotional and lonely, plus looked a wreck and tired every day. Part of that could describe a hangover, but why on earth would she want to go work out like that unless it was for free childcare. It definitely does not fit with Kaine saying that she spent her time there flirting.

To be honest, a lot of the things Kaine is saying now doesn't fit with what he said in the beginning and what other people who saw her regularly are saying. Why would they have a need to lie? And I am still curious about where he was and what he was doing all those nights that Terri was passed out drunk on the couch. Was he just in his own little world and didn't see what was going on? Makes it sound like he basically ignored her. He said in the beginning that he was not aware of any problems in the marriage, but that Terri suffered from PPD... now we are finding out that she confided in friends that her marriage was troubled, and he is telling all these stories of her drinking every night, not taking care of the baby. Which is it?

 

[Trident]

To be honest, a lot of the things Kaine is saying now doesn't fit with what he said in the beginning and what other people who saw her regularly are saying. Why would they have a need to lie? And I am still curious about where he was and what he was doing all those nights that Terri was passed out drunk on the couch. Was he just in his own little world and didn't see what was going on? Makes it sound like he basically ignored her. He said in the beginning that he was not aware of any problems in the marriage, but that Terri suffered from PPD... now we are finding out that she confided in friends that her marriage was troubled, and he is telling all these stories of her drinking every night, not taking care of the baby. Which is it?

Some may call it hindsight, some may call it lies. I wonder if this case has taken on a life of its own where truth and facts are obscured because of an "agenda" of some sort? I don't pretend to know the "agenda", but I do see a lot of shift and whisper with very little proof of anything.

My opinion only

 

[Trt]

A couple of things caught my attention in this special.

1) CL(Kyron's praying friend) said that he saw Kyron and Terri that morning bringing Kyron's project in. Originally it was reported that Kyron's project was already there and Terri had the truck to bring it home, right?

2) Terri's gym buddy saw her at her regular gym on June 4, not another gym?Wasn't it originally stated that the gym she went to that day was different than the one she went to regularly?

3) Terri's gym buddy made a point of saying that Terri regularly looked exhausted and "unstable"(thanks grandmaj and JBean!). That is a weird way to describe someone's regular appearance.


Good morning all
Jmo

 

[Trt]

The ones who helped her get the batphones?

Yeah I wonder why LE would be suspicious of them? :waitasec:

Thank you for pointing that out. Jaymie's Finster's home wasn't searched and neither was Andrea Leckey. This gym buddy didn't mention having her home searched. I think LE has a much deeper suspicion threshold for searching the home of Terri's friends. Deeper than they spoke out in defense of her. We don't even know who the other two friends are so they weren't searched for expressing public support of Terri. Jmo