New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

[glamourkitty1922]

How many mass killers have had connections to groups? They spout their BS to cover up their failures as a person

This one seems to have quire a huge group connection via the internet. It's just not a political group. I think this is a completely new type of terrorism, and it's frightening because it has no connections that can be tracked.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The killer stated in the manifesto that the nation with the closest political and social values to his, is the People's Republica of China.

He did claim to be a socialist and anti-capitalist.

 

[Cryptic]

His Dad died in 2010, he may have inherited the money he used to travel on for so long. .

Definitely a possibility. As a side note, however, three of the countries on his world travel binge (Turkey, Pakistan and Bulgaria) are potentially very low cost destinations once one gets there.
Basic hotel rooms, "mom and pop" type restaurant meals, and second class bus tickets are all cheaply available.

I benefited from this low cost in Turkey. While there, i noticed a certain number of Europeans and Australians in Istanbul of dubious trustworthiness. They were not threatening but they did mix low cost living with using copious quantities of low cost hashish.

Likewise, Pakistan has long been a low cost destination for potential jihaders from Europe or the U.S. on extended vacations seeking religious instruction, contacts, or just to "check out" the scene. Some develop into Jihaders. Others lose interest and return home as just another young man with anger, identity, employment and romance issues.

 

[kimlynn]

His "manifesto" is a piece of illiterate garbage.
His actions speak for themselves.

He walked into a Mosque and shot people who were praying. Clearly this lunatic targeted people because of religion and for no other reason.

I agree with your first sentence. It was illiterate garbage.
He peppered it with poems and enough quotes that some seemed to view him as having intelligence.
While I don't agree with censorship in this case I would make an exception.
The danger being an unformed mind (youths) or an uninformed mind reading it is a danger. IMO
We even had a member here call his writing an inconvenient truth.
My take on his writings were that he was concerned about whites being overtaken and invaded.
He wrote at length about birth rates and fertility.
So less about religion and more about nationalism.IMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

He did claim to be a socialist and anti-capitalist.

And none of that is right wing. I find he has a lot of conflicting ramblings that don't make much sense overall.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Definitely a possibility. As a side note, however, three of the countries on his world travel binge (Turkey, Pakistan and Bulgaria) are potentially very low cost destinations once one gets there.
Basic hotel rooms, "mom and pop" type restaurant meals, and second class bus tickets are all in expensive.

I benefited from this low cost in Turkey. While there, i noticed a certain number of Europeans and Australians in Istanbul of dubious trustworthiness. They were not threatening but they did mix low cost living with using copious quantities of low cost hashish.

Likewise, Pakistan has long been a low cost destination for potential jihaders on extended vacations seeking religious instruction, contacts, or just to "check out" the scene. Some develop into Jihaders. Others lose interest and return to Europe or the United States.

It's just that he's been traveling since his Dad died. That's 8 years of world travel. It seems his profession was personal trainer and I saw one coworker say he was ok with everyone, no matter their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Perhaps he had a double life, and the police haven't found it yet?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

And none of that is right wing. I find he has a lot of conflicting ramblings that don't make much sense overall.

True. I don't believe it had anything to do with politics of any sort. I really do believe he did it to entertain people on the internet. Everything he does is an internet meme. It's bizarre and something new to the world of terrorism in my opinion.

 

[opalonyx]

Thanks for the link. It doesn't say anything about citizens having to keep their guns with the police so it doesn't fit the OP assertion.

From the Wiki article posted earlier in the thread:

South Korea has strict gun policies. Hunting and sporting licenses are issued, but any firearm used in these circumstances must be stored at a local police station. Air rifles also have to be stored at police stations; crossbows and electric shock devices are also classified as firearms but their private retention is permitted

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

Here's an additional source: Keeping Olympics safe: South Korean gun laws make a mass shooting nearly unfathomable

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

MFATgovtNZ Retweeted
Michael Swain‏ @MichaelSwainNZ 23h23 hours ago
Kilbirnie Mosque, Wellington. With the diplomatic corps who are showing their solidarity. Representing ⁦@MFATgovtNZ⁩ and all our people #Theyareus

MFATgovtNZ ‏Verified account @MFATgovtNZ 15h15 hours ago
Heartwarming to see so much support at the Basin Reserve for the public vigil at 6pm this evening. #newzealandterroristattacks Photo credit: Johnson Raela

 

[Reasonable & Just]

"We are not safe unless we are together" - NPR report on interfaith vigils

 

[Alisajo]

It's just that he's been traveling since his Dad died. That's 8 years of world travel. It seems his profession was personal trainer and I saw one coworker say he was ok with everyone, no matter their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Perhaps he had a double life, and the police haven't found it yet?

Grafton doesn't have a culturally diverse population. He would have had a cultural stock just going to a major city.

 

[human]

'Come over here!': the man who chased away the Christchurch shooter

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Brave, intelligent, resourceful people can fortify a society, as the above article shows. It would benefit us to get to know the people around us.

 

[drsleuth]

NSW homes raided after NZ massacre

Two homes in NSW have been raided by counter-terrorism police in the early hours of this morning in connection with the Christchurch massacre.

The properties are 95km apart. Tarrant’s mother and sister had earlier been taken to a safe place for their protection.

I really feel for his family

 

[Alisajo]

NSW homes raided after NZ massacre

Two homes in NSW have been raided by counter-terrorism police in the early hours of this morning in connection with the Christchurch massacre.

The properties are 95km apart. Tarrant’s mother and sister had earlier been taken to a safe place for their protection.

I really feel for his family

This is only the beginning. LE is combing Grafton & surrounding towns thoroughly. The extended family are helping support the Authorities needs.

 

[Cryptic]

It's just that he's been traveling since his Dad died. That's 8 years of world travel. It seems his profession was personal trainer and I saw one coworker say he was ok with everyone, no matter their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Perhaps he had a double life, and the police haven't found it yet?

A personal trainer working as an independent contractor working from a gym(s) would make a good profession for an off again, on again low budget world traveler as one can "un plug" from the employment to travel, run out of money, then easily "plug back in" upon return home.

As for the apparent double life, some extremists can be very good at concealing their intentions. For example, Mohammad Attah and the other 9-11 hijacker pilots raised no suspicions in either Germany or the United States from their interactions with non Muslims, non observant Muslims etc., western culture etc.

Rather, they did not follow Islamic dress, attend mosques regularly, maintain rigorous prayer times, seek out halal food, or have 'red flag' material in their rooms.

With the exception of systematically not eating in restaraunts serving alcohol (dropped once they arrived in the US) and attending a store front type mosque with a conservative reputation- also dropped upon arrival in the US, the 9-11 terrorists maintained a near perfect impression of moderately religious or even secularized Muslims.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The accused gunman plans to represent himself in court - raising concerns he could attempt to turn a trial into a platform for his beliefs.

The duty lawyer who represented him in court confirmed he was no longer acting for him. He said the accused appeared to be lucid and was not mentally unstable – other than the extreme views that he held.

"I suspect that he won't shy away from publicity, and that will probably be the way he runs the trial. The job of the trial judge will be to deal with that. But it's not a place for any views to be put forward. It's simply there to determine innocence or guilt. The court is not going to be very sympathetic to him if he wants to use the trial to express his own views."

Christchurch mosque shootings: Brenton Tarrant to represent himself in court

 

[ZaZara]

Análisis | La estética del odio

The esthetics of hate

The terrorist who murdered dozens of worshippers in a New Zealand mosque copied the Style book of the "digital caliphate" to the millimeter.


A young man runs desperately through an abandoned field. He zigzags and changes pace trying to mislead the car chasing him. He is about to die. Four people are in the vehicle. The driver, a copilot armed with an assault rifle, a second shooter in the back seat and a fourth occupant who records the chase. The armed men shoot several times through the window at the young man fleeing in terror. Finally, they catch him and he falls to the ground. Still alive, he begs for clemency: "I'm just a taxi driver," he says in Arabic. These are his last words. One of the armed men gets out of the car, gets near the victim and shoots him from close range.

It was the scene of a real murder. It happened in early 2014 in Iraq, near the Syrian border. The terrorist group Daesh broadcast this crime on May 17, 2014 through its audiovisual production company Al Furqan. The video was entitled "The Sound of Swords" and was one hour long. Daesh presented to global public opinion its particular offensive against the modern world: murders recorded and edited with the aesthetics of best-selling Western video games and broadcast almost live through Western communication platforms that have accelerated globalization.

From 2014 to 2019, the terrorist group Islamic State has broadcast through open social networks a total of 243 videos showing the murder of more than a thousand people, more than 90% of them Muslims and Arabs from Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Nearly 50% of these murders have been broadcast mimicking the violent scenes of well-known action series, movies and video games, in an attempt to turn terror into a multimedia spectacle capable of seducing new and young audiences in a global world, who are resentful and eager to avenge internal frustrations on an external enemy.

Brenton Tarrant, the terrorist who murdered dozens of Muslim worshippers in a mosque in New Zealand on 15 March, copied the Style book of the "digital caliphate" to the millimetre. The 17-minute video that he broadcasted on social networks showing how he committed the terrorist attack would have received unanimous congratulations from the top leaders of the Islamic state, including the one responsible for the communication strategy, Mohammed al Adnani, and from Abdubaker al-Baghdadi himself.

Esthetics is not something circumstantial. It is an indicator of the dominant political and social motivations in a space and an era. Perhaps he didn't know it, but Brenton Tarrant is part, not only of the same esthetics, but of the same political, social and historical project of the Islamic State. An explosive cocktail formed by a banalization (even fascination) of violence, a deep resentment and frustration towards the modern world and its institutions, a proverbial panic towards globalization, an alarming ignorance and a childish search for external enemies to blame for the failures of life.


BBM

 

[CSIDreamer]

Do you have a link for that?

Otto put one up right after my post. I got hasty posting and running out the door.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The political agenda is all yours. Some people/cultures don't think of gun ownership as a 'freedom' or a 'right'.

At best it would be a responsibility.

It's not even on the political agenda.

Gun control wouldn't be to 'punish one killer', it would be about prevention.

And it works.

The last thing on my mind when I go to vote is a candidate's position on gun ownership.

ETA: If a candidate had an opinion on gun ownership it may change my mind, but in 28 years of voting it has never come up. Not once.

BBM

It didn't work in this case.