New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

[Judith Sleuth]

I’m not sure your statement is entirely accurate. But you are correct that ideology alone doesn’t immediately deem any individual a mass killer.

“White nationalist groups espouse white separatism and white supremacy. ... White nationalists generally avoid the term ‘supremacy’ because it has negative connotations.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalis

“Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, mass immigration of non-whites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race, and some argue that it amounts to white genocide.”

“White separatism is the pursuit of a ‘white-only state,’ supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to nonwhites, taking ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism.”

There is a problem with the article, "White Nationalism" is not synonymous with "White Supremacy". Nor are "White Nationalists" psychopathic killers.

White Nationalists are not a "terrorist group or organization" any more than Black Lives Matter.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Depends. I left the US and now live in a country with no guns ( regulated. Can have for target practice and hunting but kept at the police department).

I can drive without worrying about road rage. I can walk without getting shot. Etc. Freedom freedom freedom.

What country would that be?

 

[otto]

What race was this lunatic opposing?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

What race exists, really? I think ethnicity and religion stick in his craw. He references "white" quite a bit, so likely anyone who doesn't look "white" to him and is living where he wants to live and displaying different cultural behaviors.

I get the anxiety, and lots of people of all colors can feel misgivings when "strangers" enter your country, because you wonder how your culture will change. Myself included. We write editorials and talk to politicians. We also embrace some of their foods, slang, and clothing. We try to get to know the other culture, and we try to figure out what lines we want to draw as far as changing our own to accommodate them.

That's if we are healthy people and don't want to live our lives hiding under the bed from strangers. But we don't kill anyone. As another poster said, killers just wanna kill.

 

[human]

What country would that be?

There are many like the one I live in.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There are many like the one I live in.

Why can't you answer the question? I would love to look up the stats on this wonderful country of yours.
I may want to move there too.

 

[human]

What race exists, really? I think ethnicity and religion stick in his craw. He references "white" quite a bit, so likely anyone who doesn't look "white" to him and is living where he wants to live and displaying different cultural behaviors. I get the anxiety, and lots of people of all colors can feel misgivings when "strangers" enter your country, because you wonder how your culture will change. Myself included. But we don't kill anyone. We write editorials and talk to politicians. We try to get to know the culture, and we try to figure out what lines we want to draw as far as changing our own to accommodate them.

As another poster said, killers just wanna kill.

He is white, therefore superior and entitled. Speaks of low self esteem and rejection, to me.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

I snipped your quoted post for focus. The NZ gunman is, by definition, a right-wing extremist. So, also be definition, his motives and actions make what he did a terrorist act.

Even if he turns out to be a lone wolf.

And yes, he’s also a brainless, racist murderer. No argument from me on that point!

“The far right (or extreme right) is a political label used to identify parties and movements based on fascist, racist and/or extremely reactionary ideologies. Officially those on the far right embrace the concept of the "inequality of outcome", meaning that one group is naturally better than another.”

Far right - RationalWiki

Why is killing innocent people in New Zealand considered a "terrorist" act
But
The killing of innocent people in the bogside looked upon as something different?

I condemn the perpetrators of both and believe that the media need to stop it with the references to "right wing extremists".......that gives these ar5eholes a sense of cause and legitimacy......they are brainless racist idiots and need calling out as such

 

[human]

Why can't you answer the question? I would love to look up the stats on this wonderful country of yours.
I may want to move there too.

No, you would not. No guns.

 

[Elley Mae]

Depends. I left the US and now live in a country with no guns ( regulated. Can have for target practice and hunting but kept at the police department).

I can drive without worrying about road rage. I can walk without getting shot. Etc. Freedom freedom freedom.

Sorry but I have never heard of a country that has police departments hold citizens weapons until they want to use them.

Sorry I don’t believe that. I need to see documentation/law on that.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

This thread isn't about the US and how we feel about it. It's about 50 dead humans in New Zealand. Let's not derail it.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

What race was this lunatic opposing?

The NZ shooter has stated that he opposes all non-European races and wishes to “take revenge” upon them.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No, you would not. No guns.

You said above that there are guns for target practice and hunting but they have to be kept with the police.

Do you have a link for that please?

 

[Judith Sleuth]

That's correct except that Germans topped the list of superior people and everyone else was inferior because they were not German. There was a hiarchy. Jews, including white Jews, were on the very bottom with gays, handicapped, and Gypsies who could be of any race. The Christchurch killer seems to be a mixture of beliefs including enviroterrorism, hatred of capitalism, and if you added up everyone he hated in his manifesto, it would include pretty much 99% of humanity. He wanted guns removed from New Zealanders and a civil war over guns in the USA. Personally I think he is a sick mass murderer who wants to be powerful and famous. I will never type or speak his name. He doesn't deserve to be an individual.

He’s definitely a sick mass murderer.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

He’s definitely a sick mass murderer.

Who deserves the maximum sentence that NZ can impose. He should never be free again, no, IT should never be free again.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

Who deserves the maximum sentence that NZ can impose. He should never be free again, no, IT should never be free again.

Absolutely.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Oh, for sure. Yours is the correct definition as far as I’m concerned, too.

In the context of the NZ shooter’s reported beliefs about white genocide, immigration, etc., he clearly favors Indo-Europeans, aka the Caucasian race. ... To his beliefs, “non-European” is synonymous with non-white people.

He trashed plenty of white people in his manifesto. He was an equal opportunity hater. He is the opposite of the LV killer. LV killer had no motivations for his mass murder and the NZ killer has confusing contradictory motivations for his mass murder. Personally I believe he killed because he wanted to kill and his entire manifesto is trolling the real world. I would be interested in reading anything a psychiatrist says about him. He is acting, even in court, for the internet. I believe he murdered all those innocent people for the entertainment of his internet buddies. What a monster.

 

[Elley Mae]

I want to know how much money he went through selling bitcoins, and if he ran out.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

He trashed plenty of white people in his manifesto. He was an equal opportunity hater. He is the opposite of the LV killer. LV killer had no motivations for his mass murder and the NZ killer has confusing contradictory motivations for his mass murder. Personally I believe he killed because he wanted to kill and his entire manifesto is trolling the real world. I would be interested in reading anything a psychiatrist says about him. He is acting, even in court, for the internet. I believe he murdered all those innocent people for the entertainment of his internet buddies. What a monster.

Of course he killed because he felt like it. I’m just not comfortable speculating about whether or not his only true motivation is poops and giggles. I tend to believe his motivations are many and are more in line with his long self-purported, sick and deluded beliefs.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

He trashed plenty of white people in his manifesto. He was an equal opportunity hater. He is the opposite of the LV killer. LV killer had no motivations for his mass murder and the NZ killer has confusing contradictory motivations for his mass murder. Personally I believe he killed because he wanted to kill and his entire manifesto is trolling the real world. I would be interested in reading anything a psychiatrist says about him. He is acting, even in court, for the internet. I believe he murdered all those innocent people for the entertainment of his internet buddies. What a monster.

I think you are right...people praying in a mosque were an easy target and sure to spark debate and get him admiration from some groups. Also possibly spark a retaliation, which he would welcome. But I think the killing, the shock value, and the political repercussions were the point, not so much the backgrounds of the actual people. It is really sickening no matter what.