New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

[otto]

The NZ shooter has stated that he opposes all non-European races and wishes to “take revenge” upon them.

But ... he murdered people on the basis of religion, not race. Therefore, I'm curious how race factors into his insane rampage.

 

[zencompass]

PM statement on Christchurch shooting – 4pm 17 March

"They were loved ones and they were New Zealanders."

"Many of you will know that today I went to Kilbirnie Mosque to lay flowers with Wellington Mayor Justin Lester and to meet with Islamic community leaders."

"Their message was one of gratitude for the outpouring of love that they had experienced from the people of Wellington. And an acknowledgement of the grief that the community feels."

"We know these events have been traumatic for the community, but particularly for young people. "

"Today, local Ministry of Education staff met with senior staff at Hagley Community College and Burnside Primary School to provide support and resources."



PM statement on Christchurch shooting – 4pm 17 March

 

[Alisajo]

I want to know how much money he went through selling bitcoins, and if he ran out.

He made money buying bitcoins.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why is Nazi propaganda being spread here?

You should alert those posts so a mod can deal with it.

 

[angelainwi]

Why is Nazi propaganda being spread here?

??? I must have missed it.

 

[Judith Sleuth]

Why is Nazi propaganda being spread here?

Is it? I don’t see any. We’re discussing the NZ shooter and his documented, stated beliefs (and purported motivations) as reported by mainstream media and police sources. The links and definitions of what those things mean are also properly sourced.

 

[CSIDreamer]

You said above that there are guns for target practice and hunting but they have to be kept with the police.

Do you have a link for that please?

China, for one, is a country where hardly anyone is allowed to keep guns at home.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

China, for one, is a country where hardly anyone is allowed to keep guns at home.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[otto]

Gun laws by country can be found here:

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

 

[Judith Sleuth]

But ... he murdered people on the basis of religion, not race. Therefore, I'm curious how race factors into his insane rampage.

I’ll let New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s words speak to that:

“We were not chosen for this act of violence because we condone racism, because we are an enclave for extremism," Ardern said during a news conference in Wellington. "We were chosen for the very fact that we are none of these things. Because we represent diversity, kindness, compassion, a home for those who share our values, refuge for those who need it. And those values, I can assure you, will not, and cannot, be shaken by this attack."

New Zealand Mosque Shooting: Prime Minister Promises Gun Law Reform

 

[Elley Mae]

China, for one, is a country where hardly anyone is allowed to keep guns at home.

Great a communist country, no thanks.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

He made money buying bitcoins.

I wonder if he really did make money? The investment company was shut down by the US for being a Ponzie scheme. His motivations is like falling down a rabbit hole. I don't think anything he writes or says is trustworthy. His Dad died in 2010, he may have inherited the money he used to travel on for so long. It's like this is a huge advertisment for the shady side of the internet. Cryptocurrancy, streaming to buddies in shady chatrooms like 8chan, internet memes throughout his manifest, and even the old Pewdiepie meme. Unless the police find real connections to terrorist groups, I believe this to be a sick trolling which costs so many lives and injured so many people. He even used "made you look" hand signal at his trial. It's like this was a video game for him.

 

[cobalt sky]

But ... he murdered people on the basis of religion, not race. Therefore, I'm curious how race factors into his insane rampage.

No. He made it clear what his reasons were for why he did what he did. All of these questions can be answered by reading the manifesto.

This is why I think it is a mistake to try and suppress not just his manifesto but the manifestos or other forms of communication from ANY person who commits these acts. It's insulting to me that any government tells the world not to read it but then allows and even encourages "journalists" to select specific parts of it to "report" on, often taking things out of context or adding their own spin, or using it to promote their own beliefs or agendas.

If the manifesto is truly the senseless ramblings of a madman not worthy of discussion or debate, I can read it and figure that out for myself. I don't need nor do I accept someone else interpreting the contents of it for me.

All imo.

 

[opalonyx]

Do you have a link for that?

I am going to link info about gun ownership in South Korea. I lived there for two years and can attest to the peaceful atmosphere there.

https://web.archive.org/web/2012121...12/12/strict-gun-control-laws-in-south-korea/

 

[otto]

No. He made it clear what his reasons were for why he did what he did. All of these questions can be answered by reading the manifesto.

This is why I think it is a mistake to try and suppress not just his manifesto but the manifestos or other forms of communication from ANY person who commits these acts. It's insulting to me that any government tells the world not to read it but then allows and even encourages "journalists" to select specific parts of it to "report" on, often taking things out of context or adding their own spin, or using it to promote their own beliefs or agendas.

If the manifesto is truly the senseless ramblings of a madman not worthy of discussion or debate, I can read it and figure that out for myself. I don't need nor do I accept someone else interpreting the contents of it for me.

All imo.

His "manifesto" is a piece of illiterate garbage.
His actions speak for themselves.

He walked into a Mosque and shot people who were praying. Clearly this lunatic targeted people because of religion and for no other reason.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

His "manifesto" is a piece of illiterate garbage.
His actions speak for themselves.

He walked into a Mosque and shot people who were praying. Clearly this lunatic targeted people because of religion and for no other reason.

He walked into a Mosque and shot people who were praying to impress and entertain his internet buddies. Everything is says and does is connected to internet memes. He even uses internet memes in court because he knows his buddies are watching. There doesn't seem to be any connection to any terrorist or supremecist group. If and when that connection is found I will change my belief until then I believe this is just an crazy guy killing for his and others entertainment.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am going to link info about gun ownership in South Korea. I lived there for two years and can attest to the peaceful atmosphere there.

https://web.archive.org/web/2012121...12/12/strict-gun-control-laws-in-south-korea/

Thanks for the link. It doesn't say anything about citizens having to keep their guns with the police so it doesn't fit the OP assertion.

 

[human]

He walked into a Mosque and shot people who were praying to impress and entertain his internet buddies. Everything is says and does is connected to internet memes. He even uses internet memes in court because he knows his buddies are watching. There doesn't seem to be any connection to any terrorist or supremecist group. If and when that connection is found I will change my belief until then I believe this is just an crazy guy killing for his and others entertainment.

How many mass killers have had connections to groups? They spout their BS to cover up their failures as a person

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The police believe the killer was alone in his killing. The other people arrested had nothing to do with it and have been released. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...d-australian-authorities-20190316-p514rw.html

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Great a communist country, no thanks.

The killer stated in the manifesto that the nation with the closest political and social values to his, is the People's Republica of China.