News station found video of THE DUCT TAPE on posters at the Anthony home!

[strach304]

Aww, c'mon guys. Don't you member? Zanny had a key to the Anthonys house. That explains everything.

 

[seagull65]

bbm

I'm sorry, but I do not see how my DH's use of duct tape has any significance in this thread.

?.... you were the one who posted about your husband, I didn't raise the subject. No, I don't think it's significant to the case! ha ha

 

[Balthazar]

I don't know; but I don't think it's all that significant. The place was public and must have been after Cindy made her 911 call and before Caylee's body was found. Why is it important to you? Are you thinking the video may have been doctored or something? Or just curious or a fact finder? Because to me, the only notable weight it holds is that it is another connection between this specific brand of tape and the Anthonys. I may missing some subtle point.

Oh, good Heaven's NO! I do not think there is anything wrong with Kathi Bellich's tape at all. In fact, this evidence, I believe is VERY IMPORTANT.

I am trying to figure out where and when the video was shot and which member or members of the Anthony family was at that location on that date (if any) and/or on days previous to the date this was filmed - if the awning was there. One reason this could be important is that that same Anthony family member may have been traveling from booth to booth with the roll of tape and used the same tape in other locations, KWIM???? If we know where the booth in the Bellich video is, then we might be able to figure out other locations that might also have had booths and therefore possibly the same duct tape. If it was not an Anthony family member with the duct tape, then who was it and where did they get the duct tape?

I know that some Websleuths members who live in the Orlando area may have gone to the Anthony booths and may have taken photos and there are lots of photos of the booths in the archives, so I'm trying to find out if there are more pictures of more booths in different locations with the same duct tape.

I'm sure LE has all this information already about the specific booth in Kathi Bellich's video and they probably already have that awning in their possession.

My question is this: Are there other photos of the same duct tape at other booths that LE should know about????

 

[seagull65]

The 2008 population for Orlando is 2,103,480. Don't have the breakdown for 2008, but using 2000 census states, we can remove approximately:

• 35,014 residents under the age of 15
• 8,507 residents over the age of 75

Who aren't likely to have purchased the Henkel tape or used it on Caylee.

• Which leaves us with approx 2,059,959 potential Orlando purchasers of the rare Henkel tape distributed in Orlando in the stores you have listed above.
• And since only 134,719 rolls were distributed in all of NA in 2006-2007, the odds are getting narrower by the minute.
• Let's just play with the numbers and pretend that all 50 states got an equal number of rolls (134,719 / 50), which would mean that in the entire state of Florida there were only 2694 rolls for sale
• And only a portion of the entire FL allotment of 2694 rolls would have been available for purchase in 2006-2007 by any one of the 2,059,959 Orlando residents between 15 - 75 years of age
• I could go on, but the math bears out that the Henkel duct tape was quite rare in Orlando.

So was access to Caylee. The number of people who had that is even more rare.

The duct tape evidence is not going away, nor can it be easily explained away.

I can't agree with your arguments about this brand of tape being particularly rare. I don't know how many rolls were distributed to FL stores, how much was sold in Orlando, how long the product was on store shelves, how many people who are now in Orlando bought this product, etc. There's nothing that indicates to me that this is a "rare" tape. It's just a discontinued one. But it was available to the public in stores such as Lowes for several years, so...

But I do agree that the duct tape evidence is very important. Absolutely.

The FBI wrote that the duct tape on the gas can is dissimilar and not from the same source as the duct tape on the remains and at the remains scene.

I applaud Cathy Belich for the investigative reporting. Who knows, I hope the posters and tape can be found and studied, just in case that tape matches the tape on the remains.

 

[seagull65]

I only said how many rolls he bought a year, YOU were the one wanting to know what he used it for..........please don't turn things around.

whiteangora, I was actually only chatting with you since you were talking about how much duct tape your husband buys. Nevermind.

 

[AZlawyer]

I can't agree with your arguments about this brand of tape being particularly rare. I don't know how many rolls were distributed to FL stores, how much was sold in Orlando, how long the product was on store shelves, how many people who are now in Orlando bought this product, etc. There's nothing that indicates to me that this is a "rare" tape. It's just a discontinued one. But it was available to the public in stores such as Lowes for several years, so...

But I do agree that the duct tape evidence is very important. Absolutely.

The FBI wrote that the duct tape on the gas can is dissimilar and not from the same source as the duct tape on the remains and at the remains scene.

I applaud Cathy Belich for the investigative reporting. Who knows, I hope the posters and tape can be found and studied, just in case that tape matches the tape on the remains.

Keep in mind that we do know that the gas can tape and the Caylee tape were both the same brand (and "model"--200 degree tape) based on the logo appearing on both. So even if the fibers are dissimilar enough to mean that the two pieces didn't come from the same roll or even the same "batch," they still came from the same KIND of roll of tape. Maybe George had been buying that brand for some time (until Lowe's or wherever he went stopped selling it). The piece of tape on the gas can could have been there for years, from some long-gone roll of the Henkel 200 degree tape. Then George's last (newest) roll could have been used up on Caylee and the posters.

 

[Hot Dogs]

The 2008 population for Orlando is 2,103,480. Don't have the breakdown for 2008, but using 2000 census states, we can remove approximately:

• 35,014 residents under the age of 15
• 8,507 residents over the age of 75

Who aren't likely to have purchased the Henkel tape or used it on Caylee.

• Which leaves us with approx 2,059,959 potential Orlando purchasers of the rare Henkel tape distributed in Orlando in the stores you have listed above.
• And since only 134,719 rolls were distributed in all of NA in 2006-2007, the odds are getting narrower by the minute.
• Let's just play with the numbers and pretend that all 50 states got an equal number of rolls (134,719 / 50), which would mean that in the entire state of Florida there were only 2694 rolls for sale
• And only a portion of the entire FL allotment of 2694 rolls would have been available for purchase in 2006-2007 by any one of the 2,059,959 Orlando residents between 15 - 75 years of age
• I could go on, but the math bears out that the Henkel duct tape was quite rare in Orlando.

So was access to Caylee. The number of people who had that is even more rare.

The duct tape evidence is not going away, nor can it be easily explained away.

It may be more meaningful to use number of "households" rather than population. Think of how a single roll of duct tape serves the purposes of a whole family or any number of people living under one roof.

Anyway, I don't know how useful the stats are since they don't tell you if anyone else has/had the same type of tape. The idea that there is hardly any of this tape in the Orlando area is relative and subjective. There could be hundreds or thousands of these tape rolls that were in possession and/or use in the Orlando area last year. Nobody can say "no way" to that one because this case proves that this tape was available and used years after it was last sold by Henkel.

Orlando might even get more of any kind of duct tape as compared to other parts of the country. It could be that hurricane and tropical storm areas (Florida and Gulf states) tend to buy and use more duct tape than other areas.

Nonetheless, the duct tape evidence found is very compelling. But if the FBI's position remains that the fabric shows that the skull tape is of a different origin than the gas can tape - then it becomes more interesting. It doesn't matter if the adhesive is a match, because any genuinely non-matching feature disqualifies it as being the same roll or batch.

The FBI is not supposed to report that it is not the same source if it might be the same source.

 

[lin]

We had a member contact the Henkel Company about the tape.
He was told that since the tape only accounted for a minor share of sales it was discontinued, I believe the tape was referred to as unusual. And, you're right only 134,719 (see link) rolls were ever distributed throughout the entire N American area in 2006-2007. Divide that by every home improvement and hardware store and then see just what small amounts were available.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ica&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Well... let's see...

According to this link, there are 1675 Lowe's stores in the US and Canada.

According to this link, there are more than 5000 TruValue stores.

According to this link, there are more than 4800 Ace hardware stores.

Now, just using those three outlets mentioned in this thread and without knowing how many others are part of the retailers selling 134,719 rolls in the whole of North America... I add that up as more than 11,475 outlets that sold that type of tape and again, that's without counting any other outlets. Was Home Depot one of the outlets?

Anyway, 134,719 rolls of tape divided throughout only 11,475 stores equals an average of just under a dozen rolls per store. That number would be decreased if we knew the value of "more than" cited by the two hardware stores checked and the number of other outlets. (And I know myself when shopping for duct tape, I don't pay the extra $ for the fire resistant, industrial grade but that is beside the point, I suppose.)

So out of less than a dozen rolls per store, some ends up on a gas can at the A's; ends up on posters put up by the A's; in photos of GA hanging things; at the tents the A's used to solicit donations; AND on Caylee. Wonder what the odds of that are?

PS: And of course, it hasn't been sold in a few years so that's got to increase the odds, right?

 

[3doglady]

In the you tube video of CA leaving Blanchard Park after her run in with LP, CA repeatedly told KB how STUPID she is. Gotta love that karma, it will come back and bite you in the butt every time, CA.

 

[sumbunny]

Well... let's see...

According to this link, there are 1675 Lowe's stores in the US and Canada.

According to this link, there are more than 5000 TruValue stores.

According to this link, there are more than 4800 Ace hardware stores.

Now, just using those three outlets mentioned in this thread and without knowing how many others are part of the retailers selling 134,719 rolls in the whole of North America... I add that up as more than 11,475 outlets that sold that type of tape and again, that's without counting any other outlets. Was Home Depot one of the outlets?

Anyway, 134,719 rolls of tape divided throughout only 11,475 stores equals an average of just under a dozen rolls per store. That number would be decreased if we knew the value of "more than" cited by the two hardware stores checked and the number of other outlets. (And I know myself when shopping for duct tape, I don't pay the extra $ for the fire resistant, industrial grade but that is beside the point, I suppose.)

So out of less than a dozen rolls per store, some ends up on a gas can at the A's; ends up on posters put up by the A's; in photos of GA hanging things; at the tents the A's used to solicit donations; AND on Caylee. Wonder what the odds of that are?

PS: And of course, it hasn't been sold in a few years so that's got to increase the odds, right?

pretty darn slim---she's sunk

 

[lin]

No, actually it is Not a lot.
Here's a quick run down on just a few of the establishments that sell duct tape across N America.

Lowes, (approx) 1600 stores
Home Depot 2200 stores
Walmart 4000 stores
Target 1500 stores
KMart 1400 stores
Ace Hardware 4600 stores
15,300 approx Total Stores
There are many, many more places to buy duct tape, if only 2% of all duct tape sales are of this special variety then is is indeed unusual. WFTV has done the State of FL a huge favor, and this evidence will go a long way in convicting Casey.

I see you already did the work! Ok, so adding the 2200 Home Depot stores, the 4000 Walmart stores, 1500 Target stores and 1400 KMart stores I didn't count before, that's an additional 9100 stores to add to the 11,475 I added up earlier for a total of 20,575. The 134,719 rolls divided by 20,575 stores equals an average of over 6 per store; maybe ordered in lots of six and if one could have an exact count of the "more thans" it may show an exact six average.

Wow, if these numbers are correct, it seems to me almost like a needle in a haystack to actually have one of these rolls of tape, much less have such repeated instances of use!

Again with the PS: I thought it was .02% of sales, not 2%? Anyone recall for sure? TIA

 

[Star12]

Could someone please explain the use of the vent on a gas can? I'm pretty sure the vent cap is supposed to be covered while pouring it out, right? Or not. I'm not When do you open the vent?

Obviously this is an older gas can, being metal and round and all. And the vent cover is gone, hence the tape. My question is, how long would you expect the tape would last if pulled open and taped back, over and over. When would you think the tape had been changed out? This was summer, GA was a yard fanatic, lots of mowing etc.

Don't know if it is pertinent or not, but that tape looked pretty clean and newish to me.

 

[MissJames]

I see you already did the work! Ok, so adding the 2200 Home Depot stores, the 4000 Walmart stores, 1500 Target stores and 1400 KMart stores I didn't count before, that's an additional 9100 stores to add to the 11,475 I added up earlier for a total of 20,575. The 134,719 rolls divided by 20,575 stores equals an average of over 6 per store; maybe ordered in lots of six and if one could have an exact count of the "more thans" it may show an exact six average.

Wow, if these numbers are correct, it seems to me almost like a needle in a haystack to actually have one of these rolls of tape, much less have such repeated instances of use!

Again with the PS: I thought it was .02% of sales, not 2%? Anyone recall for sure? TIA

Hi Lin ,
My hubby has been a building contractor for 30 years and fixer of all things around the house.He probably goes into different hardware stores and other homebuilding supply retailers several times a week.I know he goes at least once a weekend LOL.
I showed him the pics and asked him if he'd ever heard of Henkal tape.No.He'd never seen any duct tape with a logo on the outside.
DISCLAIMER: This was not a scientific poll,but good enough for me!

 

[lin]

Hi Lin ,
My hubby has been a building contractor for 30 years and fixer of all things around the house.He probably goes into different hardware stores and other homebuilding supply retailers several times a week.I know he goes at least once a weekend LOL.
I showed him the pics and asked him if he'd ever heard of Henkal tape.No.He'd never seen any duct tape with a logo on the outside.
DISCLAIMER: This was not a scientific poll,but good enough for me!

Good enough for me too! We're hillbilly's so maybe use more duct tape than the average bear. The last few years with kids moving out to go to college and such, we've gone through even more than usual; taping boxes closed with it, etc. I live in Florida. I've never seen that particular duct tape either and would probably remember it because it's so unusual and because I assume the cost is significantly more. I've been in a Lowe's the day a hurricane came through and didn't see it among the other supplies piled up. (Not sure how "fire resistant" is applicable to hurricanes, just sayin')

I can't remember who but someone posted the suggestion that this type of duct tape may have been favored by one of GA's former employers. That makes sense to me. The average homeowner springing for this type of tape doesn't, especially a homeowner not enjoying a particularly rosy financial picture as it's my understanding is the present case, due to GA's spotty employment history, among other factors.

 

[whiteangora]

I see you already did the work! Ok, so adding the 2200 Home Depot stores, the 4000 Walmart stores, 1500 Target stores and 1400 KMart stores I didn't count before, that's an additional 9100 stores to add to the 11,475 I added up earlier for a total of 20,575. The 134,719 rolls divided by 20,575 stores equals an average of over 6 per store; maybe ordered in lots of six and if one could have an exact count of the "more thans" it may show an exact six average.

Wow, if these numbers are correct, it seems to me almost like a needle in a haystack to actually have one of these rolls of tape, much less have such repeated instances of use!

Again with the PS: I thought it was .02% of sales, not 2%? Anyone recall for sure? TIA

Hi lin, :blowkiss:
I did the quickie wiki search and rounded the numbers off.
I had thought the .02% had been mentioned somewhere also but I can't find the source anymore.

 

[MissJames]

Good enough for me too! We're hillbilly's so maybe use more duct tape than the average bear. The last few years with kids moving out to go to college and such, we've gone through even more than usual; taping boxes closed with it, etc. I live in Florida. I've never seen that particular duct tape either and would probably remember it because it's so unusual and because I assume the cost is significantly more. I've been in a Lowe's the day a hurricane came through and didn't see it among the other supplies piled up. (Not sure how "fire resistant" is applicable to hurricanes, just sayin')

I can't remember who but someone posted the suggestion that this type of duct tape may have been favored by one of GA's former employers. That makes sense to me. The average homeowner springing for this type of tape doesn't, especially a homeowner not enjoying a particularly rosy financial picture as it's my understanding is the present case, due to GA's spotty employment history, among other factors.

We are just above you in hurricane alley.Duct tape all glass on windows and doors in case they shatter! I know the drill!

 

[ZsaZsa]

In the you tube video of CA leaving Blanchard Park after her run in with LP, CA repeatedly told KB how STUPID she is. Gotta love that karma, it will come back and bite you in the butt every time, CA.

Yes, in Anthony-speak and Baez-ese that means "I am lashing out at you because I am very nervous about the questions you ask, and your persistence- without you asking all these awkward questions I could BS a lot of people"!

 

[ThoughtElf]

I applaud Cathy Belich for the investigative reporting.

BBM - As we both appreciate investigative reporting in an attempt to surface facts, I'd just like to point out that the correct spelling of this investigative reporter's name is: Kathi Belich

You can view her WFTV profile here to validate the correction: http://www.wftv.com/station/1981969/detail.html

 

[Mendara]

I know, I'm not saying they may not have known ( and I don't know how they knew) where the body was, I just haven't been able to make the leap in my own head yet. I haven't put those pieced together for myself yet. Not saying they're not there.
What keeps me 'canoogling" on this case is trying to make links between the baby being murdered, and who knew what when. Not sure this makes any sense. It just hasn't mede sense to me . .KWIM??? God knows I want the evidenciary links to lead to Casey and that home, and I think most of it does.

The leap is that KC told them Caylee died by accident due to another individual or due to an error on her part and then told them it was their fault for not being there to help or support her anymore - then she told them where Caylee was. The A's shifted and realigned as a family to now help KC get off because their poor daughter made a mistake and became afraid and made a bad judgment by not calling police at the time of the accident. IMO CA throwing in the pool ladder mystery was a way to insinuate this should it come out that KC admitted an accident.

CA's obsession with blaming the grunds and kronk after the body was found is the A's realizing the accident theory will not fly in court now that there is a body - nor could they claim Caylee is may still be out there.

My opinion is the A's wanted to get to Caylee's body first and then make her missing for good in order to save their screw up daughter.

They failed.

 

[Balthazar]

Just to be as clear as possible, I think that we could assist LE if we looked at as many photos of the Caylee booths as possible to see if we find any additional pictures of the duct tape to turn into LE. If it was used at one booth, it may well have been used at another or many others. I doubt we'll find any pictures of who used the duct tape, but it would be interesting to find out how many places we could find that duct tape was being used. JMO.