News station found video of THE DUCT TAPE on posters at the Anthony home!

[Pink Panther]

What about the poster that GA stripped off of Lois in Blanchard Park? It could have had tapeon it as well and Murt filmed all of it! I so hope that this wicked family is taken to task! Their obvious stupidity (yes Rick - you were right) and misguided idiotic diatribe deserves the response that the law prescribes! Liar, liar...Pants on fire!

MOO

 

[3doglady]

Just to be as clear as possible, I think that we could assist LE if we looked at as many photos of the Caylee booths as possible to see if we find any additional pictures of the duct tape to turn into LE. If it was used at one booth, it may well have been used at another or many others. I doubt we'll find any pictures of who used the duct tape, but it would be interesting to find out how many places we could find that duct tape was being used. JMO.[/QUOTE

On the you tube video "kid finder packs upppp" there is a booth with multiple posters taped up. I can't see the duct tape well enough to tell what kind it is, but maybe some else can.

 

[countzero]

Hi Lin ,
My hubby has been a building contractor for 30 years and fixer of all things around the house.He probably goes into different hardware stores and other homebuilding supply retailers several times a week.I know he goes at least once a weekend LOL.
I showed him the pics and asked him if he'd ever heard of Henkal tape.No.He'd never seen any duct tape with a logo on the outside.
DISCLAIMER: This was not a scientific poll,but good enough for me!

lol .... I grew up as a carpenter's daughter and one of the first things my dad taught me was the importance of duck tape. You can jury rig just about anything together with the stuff. My kids and grandkids have grown using it. Now when I am at Lowes I usually get a roll or two because it disappears faster than that one sock in the wash load. I don't remember seeing that brand but then again, I wouldn't have paid the extra cost for it either.

 

[Tulessa]

I got a question and if it's been answered befoer I apologize in advance. The report about the duct tape was clear in that the FBI was asked to do exclusionary prints for Cindy, George and Lee. Why on earth would you need to do exclusionary prints if there were no prints on the tape?

 

[Valhall]

I got a question and if it's been answered befoer I apologize in advance. The report about the duct tape was clear in that the FBI was asked to do exclusionary prints for Cindy, George and Lee. Why on earth would you need to do exclusionary prints if there were no prints on the tape?

You're misunderstanding. The FBI was provided fingerprints for CA, GA and LA for the purpose of exclusion...i.e. "exclusionary fingerprints". These fingerprints were taken before any forensics was done on the crime scene evidence so that they would have them IN CASE fingerprints were found on evidence. So when they processed the duct tape for fingerprints they had these available to reference to IF they found fingerprints. They didn't find any.

 

[Marina2]

I thought that some of the documents released outlined the exact number of rolls of this duck tape sold in the Orlando area.

ETA: A conclusion I can draw from these pics is that the Anthony family used duck tape with the Henkel logo for whatever purpose they needed it during the summer of '08. This includes KC, imo.

 

[abel]

Here they are side by side. I did a little exposure and contrast adjustment to bring out the details of the tape on the poster. Hope it helps.

I concede! Thanks and good work on that picture! Now I feel really stupid:blushing:

 

[lin]

I thought that some of the documents released outlined the exact number of rolls of this duck tape sold in the Orlando area.

ETA: A conclusion I can draw from these pics is that the Anthony family used duck tape with the Henkel logo for whatever purpose they needed it during the summer of '08. This includes KC, imo.

You are missed here -- too often!

 

[lin]

The 2008 population for Orlando is 2,103,480. Don't have the breakdown for 2008, but using 2000 census states, we can remove approximately:

• 35,014 residents under the age of 15
• 8,507 residents over the age of 75

Who aren't likely to have purchased the Henkel tape or used it on Caylee.

• Which leaves us with approx 2,059,959 potential Orlando purchasers of the rare Henkel tape distributed in Orlando in the stores you have listed above.
• And since only 134,719 rolls were distributed in all of NA in 2006-2007, the odds are getting narrower by the minute.
• Let's just play with the numbers and pretend that all 50 states got an equal number of rolls (134,719 / 50), which would mean that in the entire state of Florida there were only 2694 rolls for sale
• And only a portion of the entire FL allotment of 2694 rolls would have been available for purchase in 2006-2007 by any one of the 2,059,959 Orlando residents between 15 - 75 years of age
• I could go on, but the math bears out that the Henkel duct tape was quite rare in Orlando.

So was access to Caylee. The number of people who had that is even more rare.

The duct tape evidence is not going away, nor can it be easily explained away.

I see you already did the work! Ok, so adding the 2200 Home Depot stores, the 4000 Walmart stores, 1500 Target stores and 1400 KMart stores I didn't count before, that's an additional 9100 stores to add to the 11,475 I added up earlier for a total of 20,575. The 134,719 rolls divided by 20,575 stores equals an average of over 6 per store; maybe ordered in lots of six and if one could have an exact count of the "more thans" it may show an exact six average.

Wow, if these numbers are correct, it seems to me almost like a needle in a haystack to actually have one of these rolls of tape, much less have such repeated instances of use!

Again with the PS: I thought it was .02% of sales, not 2%? Anyone recall for sure? TIA

Just for fun, (and because I have a calculator so it's not hard), thought I'd continue with the math. Using ThoughtElf's suggestion of dividing equally among the states to determine the average number of outlets this time, 20,575 divided by 51, (the extra 1 is for Canada and skews the results to oppose rarity, imo), leaves us with an average of roughly 403 outlets per state and all of Canada. (Hat tip to Whiteangora for store count.)

So using the average 403 outlets in the entire state of Florida and the average of six rolls per store, that's around 2418 rolls of tape in the state. Now if the entire state lived in the Orlando area, that would end up with around .001 rolls per person. But that's not the population of the entire state. The Census Bureau, here, estimates the population of the state as over 18 million people which would put it at around .0001 rolls per person. At best, the averages show that maybe 1 in 10,000 people would have a roll of this tape.

Again, I suggest that the bulk of those rolls went for more professional uses rather than the average homeowner which would increase the odds dramatically, imo.

Also, like ThoughtElf, I think there really is a lot less than 1 in 10,000 that would have also had access to the Pontiac and most importantly, access to Caylee. (Not to mention the other factors that would have to be in play.) In fact, I think adding these other considerations, that puts the odds at around 1 total in the world.

 

[Pondering Mind]

BBM - As we both appreciate investigative reporting in an attempt to surface facts, I'd just like to point out that the correct spelling of this investigative reporter's name is: Kathi Belich

You can view her WFTV profile here to validate the correction: http://www.wftv.com/station/1981969/detail.html

I lub her.. and IMHO Cindy should fear her, lol! Not physically of course, but KB is every bit as tenacious as she is that's for sure. CA is focused on trying to blame ANYONE else but KC and Kathi B is going to get to the bottom of this mess before she turns loose. Go Kathi GO! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[whiteangora]

Just for fun, (and because I have a calculator so it's not hard), thought I'd continue with the math. Using ThoughtElf's suggestion of dividing equally among the states to determine the average number of outlets this time, 20,575 divided by 51, (the extra 1 is for Canada and skews the results to oppose rarity, imo), leaves us with an average of roughly 403 outlets per state and all of Canada. (Hat tip to Whiteangora for store count.)

So using the average 403 outlets in the entire state of Florida and the average of six rolls per store, that's around 2418 rolls of tape in the state. Now if the entire state lived in the Orlando area, that would end up with around .001 rolls per person. But that's not the population of the entire state. The Census Bureau, here, estimates the population of the state as over 18 million people which would put it at around .0001 rolls per person. At best, the averages show that maybe 1 in 10,000 people would have a roll of this tape.

Again, I suggest that the bulk of those rolls went for more professional uses rather than the average homeowner which would increase the odds dramatically, imo.

Also, like ThoughtElf, I think there really is a lot less than 1 in 10,000 that would have also had access to the Pontiac and most importantly, access to Caylee. (Not to mention the other factors that would have to be in play.) In fact, I think adding these other considerations, that puts the odds at around 1 total in the world.

Very nice work! I think it can safely be said - now without question, that the tape is indeed "rare". Thank heavens it wasn't some duct tape everybody has around.

 

[Leila]

We had a member contact the Henkel Company about the tape.
He was told that since the tape only accounted for a minor share of sales it was discontinued, I believe the tape was referred to as unusual. And, you're right only 134,719 (see link) rolls were ever distributed throughout the entire N American area in 2006-2007. Divide that by every home improvement and hardware store and then see just what small amounts were available.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ica&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

When you start thinking about how many home improvement stores there are - I count about 22 in my small county, times how many counties in the state, and then by the number of states - that's a LOT of stores to stock. At that rate, they probably had only a couple of rolls per store, so that brand is indeed, rare!

 

[Leila]

Just as a funny aside, military families are quite used to duct tape being refered to as 50 or 100 mile tape because, "It can hold a jeep together at 100 miles an hour."

The story behind it also explains why people often call it 'duck' tape vs duct tape. (Civvies got the name wrong, hence duct tape - LOL) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=100+mile+an+hour+tape

The phrase, "100 mile an hour tape" is also used by firemen and policemen.

 

[essies]

The phrase, "100 mile an hour tape" is also used by firemen and policemen.

My mechanic calls it 200 mile an hour tape-he's an old racer!! Here's why-
200mph tape
Often used in "down home" circle track auto races. Refers to Duct tape.
"That door panel is about to fall off, he needs to pit so we can get some 200mph tape on that"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=200mph+tape

 

[Leila]

Just for fun, (and because I have a calculator so it's not hard), thought I'd continue with the math. Using ThoughtElf's suggestion of dividing equally among the states to determine the average number of outlets this time, 20,575 divided by 51, (the extra 1 is for Canada and skews the results to oppose rarity, imo), leaves us with an average of roughly 403 outlets per state and all of Canada. (Hat tip to Whiteangora for store count.)

So using the average 403 outlets in the entire state of Florida and the average of six rolls per store, that's around 2418 rolls of tape in the state. Now if the entire state lived in the Orlando area, that would end up with around .001 rolls per person. But that's not the population of the entire state. The Census Bureau, here, estimates the population of the state as over 18 million people which would put it at around .0001 rolls per person. At best, the averages show that maybe 1 in 10,000 people would have a roll of this tape.

Again, I suggest that the bulk of those rolls went for more professional uses rather than the average homeowner which would increase the odds dramatically, imo.

Also, like ThoughtElf, I think there really is a lot less than 1 in 10,000 that would have also had access to the Pontiac and most importantly, access to Caylee. (Not to mention the other factors that would have to be in play.) In fact, I think adding these other considerations, that puts the odds at around 1 total in the world.

I wonder what's the odds of a rare duct tape - Henkel, being used on the body of a missing/murdered child, used on a gas can found at the home of the missing/murdered child, and also found on the posters put up by the grandparents of that missing/murdered child?

Even if the duct tape used on Caylee doesn't match the duct tape on the gas can, it may match the duct tape used on the posters or other applications found in the Anthony home.

One could assume that if the Henkel duct tape is a discontinued item, that when George bought it, it was being sold as a discontinued item at a discount price and George bought all the last remaining roles.

I think it's safe to assume that there is a link between the Henkel duct tape found on Caylee's remains, and the Henkel duct tape found at the Anthony home.

 

[Valhall]

My mechanic calls it 200 mile an hour tape-he's an old racer!! Here's why-
200mph tape
Often used in "down home" circle track auto races. Refers to Duct tape.
"That door panel is about to fall off, he needs to pit so we can get some 200mph tape on that"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=200mph+tape

Actually, another place this comes from...lol - and I can't believe you brought this up...I've called the green duct tape 300 mph duct tape since the early 90's because during the Clinton administration the military budget was drastically cut and the leading edges of the helicopter rotors on the (I think they were) Apache attack choppers were delaminating. They didn't have money to replace them so they would duct tape the leading edges to prevent the rotor completely coming undone and fly those bad-boys that way! Leading edge rotor speed 300 mph+...

a little bit a duct tape'll do it!

 

[lin]

I wonder what's the odds of a rare duct tape - Henkel, being used on the body of a missing/murdered child, used on a gas can found at the home of the missing/murdered child, and also found on the posters put up by the grandparents of that missing/murdered child?
Even if the duct tape used on Caylee doesn't match the duct tape on the gas can, it may match the duct tape used on the posters or other applications found in the Anthony home.

One could assume that if the Henkel duct tape is a discontinued item, that when George bought it, it was being sold as a discontinued item at a discount price and George bought all the last remaining roles.

I think it's safe to assume that there is a link between the Henkel duct tape found on Caylee's remains, and the Henkel duct tape found at the Anthony home.

BBM

Don't even have to use the calculator for that one -- the odds are clearly astronomical squared.

 

[countzero]

I couldn't even begin to count the amount of duct tape Nascar crew chiefs use every race in the three series of races, Sprint, Nationwide and Truck. Then add to that the IRL, ARCA and smaller race tracks around the nation.

Shoot, maybe I should ask my stock guy to check into it and buy some stock :crazy:

 

[doogiesgirl]

Just for fun, (and because I have a calculator so it's not hard), thought I'd continue with the math. Using ThoughtElf's suggestion of dividing equally among the states to determine the average number of outlets this time, 20,575 divided by 51, (the extra 1 is for Canada and skews the results to oppose rarity, imo), leaves us with an average of roughly 403 outlets per state and all of Canada. (Hat tip to Whiteangora for store count.)

So using the average 403 outlets in the entire state of Florida and the average of six rolls per store, that's around 2418 rolls of tape in the state. Now if the entire state lived in the Orlando area, that would end up with around .001 rolls per person. But that's not the population of the entire state. The Census Bureau, here, estimates the population of the state as over 18 million people which would put it at around .0001 rolls per person. At best, the averages show that maybe 1 in 10,000 people would have a roll of this tape.

Again, I suggest that the bulk of those rolls went for more professional uses rather than the average homeowner which would increase the odds dramatically, imo.

Also, like ThoughtElf, I think there really is a lot less than 1 in 10,000 that would have also had access to the Pontiac and most importantly, access to Caylee. (Not to mention the other factors that would have to be in play.) In fact, I think adding these other considerations, that puts the odds at around 1 total in the world.

I wish we could do a poll of Florida residents and ask if they've ever even heard of this brand let alone used it. As like countzero my dad and grandpa were builders and used duct tape for every quick/and not so quick, fix you can imagine. And I've been around duct tape my whole life, since I can remember remembering! and never seen or heard of this brand. Oh and I also grew up in Ohio, where Henkel tape is made. My grandpa once used it to make a belt to hold up his pants to make us all laugh one summer long ago at his cabin, THATS how much my family laughed about using duct tape for everything!

MOO

 

[notthatsmart]

I wonder if Roy Kronks company (utility company) carried 200 degree duct tape.
I wonder if the police peeked in the back of those 4 trucks the morning of Dec 11th.
Just thinking outloud. sorry