Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 5 *Arrest*

[Chris_Texas]

If he was grooming her, by rough housing with her, praising her, spending time with her, then she would look that way. She probably did like it, at first.

But if he is 23 and she is 11, and he is not her brother, then rough housing and wrestling is questionable, imo.

My 20 yr old uncle LOVED to make a big spectacle of rough housing with me in front of the family. He would tickle me until I cried, and make it seem like I was enjoying it.

Let me say first that I am sorry to hear about your experiences.

Respectfully, the problem here is that evil ends are often preceeded by good-seeming behavior. Serial killers smile, genocidal dictators kiss babies, incestuous molestors hug and tickle, terrorists wave Bibles and Korans and proclaim their love of god while murdering children. As intelligent people we have to make a choice, do we condemn the mask or the maniac.

Our fear driven media urges us to do the former. They would have us locked up tight, huddled before our TVs awaiting their next warning. But the truth is this: the man who smiled at your kid is almost certainly nothing more than a nice guy who likes kids, the smile is not a perverted lear; the tickle or hug was horseplay and nothing more; the guy with the holy book praising Allah or Jesus probably doesn't dream of mass murder; the quiet neighbor does not have a cellar full of dead hookers.

That's part of the tragedy of crime, the damage continues long after the actual perpetrator has exited the scene. Good and decent is seen as evil, and viewed with suspition -- and often in direct proportion.

Obviously in this case we suspect that the most horrid crime imaginable took place, so it is proper that we view everyone as a potential suspect. My only caution is this, in bold for emphasis:

GOOD SEEMING BEHAVIOR IS NOT EVIDENCE OF EVIL. It is evidence of itself, in this case that these two had a close relationship at that point in time. Nothing more can or should be infered from it.

Again, I am sorry for what you went through as a child.

 

[Kat]

IDK....don't most kid's favor a certain pair of shoes? There are so many things I want to point out right now but will refrain. I could give an accurate description of what my child was wearing at any given time. Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't a parent be a little more involved/aware of what their 11yo wears on a daily basis?
Everyone is different, but in my household, pajama's are worn to bed. Had she changed into her PJ's?? Was she allowed to stay up after her parent's went to bed or did they tuck her into bed before they retired for the evening... 11 is pretty young to be staying up after the parents go to bed. I always peeked in on my kiddo's first thing in the morning, does anyone else do this?

1. My kids wear the first thing they grab on their feet. The other day my teen was wearing one black flipflop and one blue flipflop to walk to the store. She really doesn't care

2. When my kids were grade school, no I couldn't tell you who was wearing what on any given day. So, nope I don't pay attention to what they are wearing except the one mentioned above. I check to make sure she isn't wearing what she wore yesterday.

3. Same kid above will sleep in clothes she wore to school I stopped fussing with her I just let her sleep in whatever.

4. My kids stayed up in their rooms after we went to bed, watching tv, playing games etc during summer months...just our house.

5. No, I didn't peek in on my kids when they were asleep in the mornings. Especially if their Daddy was still in the house. I did at night before I went to bed, kissed them and said goodnight.

I might sound like a terrible mom but hey I'm being truthful. JMHO

 

[mck16]

I thought that it was Adam Jr. Why do you say that you know it is not? I was only assuming, but thought it was him. He was also sitting next to AL at an interview with his family.

I saw an interview this morning where the family is sitting outside. The man in that interview is Celina's grandfather. Adam's father.

 

[peace9274]

OKay, why is it bothering me so much to find out that they are living on the opposite side of the house than I have been picturing all week?

From what I can tell from photos:

There is a side entrance/front door, facing south & small side street.
This is CC's & her family's front door. It has chimes, etc.

There is a front door entrance facing the main street (Rt 3).
Is this where Ms jordan lived & is not not occupied?

There is what looks to be a basement entrance on the side of the house
that faces the Spa/Restaurasnt; yard there borders the Spa/Rest's pkg lot.

I would think that if CC's & KL's shared bedroom is in the basement, & it's been reported
that no other tenants in the building share the basement with them, then CC has access
to outdoors through that side entrance facing Spa/Restaurant.

I think there is, what looks like, an outdoor stairway leading to an entrance to an upper
level apartment... on the same side as the Spa/Restaurant & basement entrance. There could
also be an entrance on the 4th side of the "apartment house" ... a side that I haven't seen yet.

Is this how anyone else see's it?

 

[elmomom]

OKay, I found this on a blog, but it transcribes the interview...





Oops, looks like that URL is not allowed. Let me see if I can find the actual interview.

No no nevermind - my MISTSKE. Big time. I read it as he left the home when Celina was 3 years, not Kayla. Kayla was 3ish when Celina was born - so it makes perfect sense. Sorry!!

 

[mck16]

@Mary The tenant next door had moved out 3 weeks ago. It is a duplex.
by David Hurlburt/WMUR Staff 6:59 PM yesterday

Read more: http://livewire.wmur.com/Event/Authorities_Investigate_Missing_Girls_Death#ixzz1Tz8Rw2MQ


also
There is an apt upstairs as well. That couple was forced to leave their home, too.
by asdf 7:01 PM yesterday

Read more: http://livewire.wmur.com/Event/Authorities_Investigate_Missing_Girls_Death#ixzz1Tz8XmMDV


I think this about an upstaris apt got lost in the shuffle.
So there was the southside 3 story unit of the family, another unit apparently empty, to the northside? and then an apt upstairs, with at least a couple occupying it

I was about to post the same thing. There are other people in that building not just Celina's family. I am sure they are looking at everything. jmo

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I saw an interview this morning where the family is sitting outside. The man in that interview is Celina's grandfather. Adam's father.

I might be thinking of the wrong person. Might even be talking about a different interview as there have been several. Going to be quiet until there is a pic and more specifics.

 

[elmomom]

I might be thinking of the wrong person. Might even be talking about a different interview as there have been several. Going to be quiet until there is a pic and more specifics.

No I saw it too - he's heavy set and I thought he was at an interview with his Dad, and Grand Dad.

 

[cluciano63]

So are there 4 potential males around Celina in and around the home, or 3? Step-father, the son of an ex-boyfriend, WN's son and an actual brother??

 

[HRCODEPINK]

No I saw it too - he's heavy set and I thought he was at an interview with his Dad, and Grand Dad.

The person I am thinking of is most certainly not old enough to be a grandfather.

 

[hollye]

From what I can tell from photos:

There is a side entrance/front door, facing south & small side street.
This is CC's & her family's front door. It has chimes, etc.

There is a front door entrance facing the main street (Rt 3).
Is this where Ms jordan lived & is not not occupied?

There is what looks to be a basement entrance on the side of the house
that faces the Spa/Restaurasnt; yard there borders the Spa/Rest's pkg lot.

I would think that if CC's & KL's shared bedroom is in the basement, & it's been reported
that no other tenants in the building share the basement with them, then CC has access
to outdoors through that side entrance facing Spa/Restaurant.

I think there is, what looks like, an outdoor stairway leading to an entrance to an upper
level apartment... on the same side as the Spa/Restaurant & basement entrance. There could
also be an entrance on the 4th side of the "apartment house" ... a side that I haven't seen yet.

Is this how anyone else see's it?

Let's see...

Entrance to what is likely the Cass/Noyes residence on South Side

Front Entrance to what is likely accessing the main stairs in the home to the upstairs apartment

Side Entrance (by the propane tanks at the front) to either a storage area or possibly the basement and Side Entrance to what is likely the former Jordan residence on the North Side

Is this what you are seeing?

 

[peace9274]

I thought that it was Adam Jr. Why do you say that you know it is not? I was only assuming, but thought it was him. He was also sitting next to AL at an interview with his family.

It isn't the same guy that is in the family group video, sitting
outside, with Grandpa & Grandma Laro, that I'm talking about.

As far as I can recall right now... the guy I'm talking about, isn't in that Noyes family video.

I wish I had photos & videos readily available or where to look for them...... when I want them!!

 

[Chris_Texas]

I've tried to keep up with the posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

Does anyone else find the description of what she was last seen wearing odd? "a pink shirt, a pink pullover, blue shorts and shoes. "bbm

I just find it odd that they would say shoes and not sneakers or flip flops, something more descriptive.. also my kids ( around her age) don't usually have shoes on at that time of night, unless they are going somewhere.... Just seems kinda strange

~MOO

Before issuing the description they likely looked through her stuff to see if her shoes were there. It's not like a parent who glanced in and saw their kid sitting at the computer would even notice something like that. To be honest, I cannot tell you for sure what my wife was wearing when she left the house a hour ago, I certainly cannot describe the footwear my daughter was wearing at dinner last night.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

So are there 4 potential males around Celina in and around the home, or 3? Step-father, the son of an ex-boyfriend, WN's son and an actual brother??

I didn't think NN was living with them....but I also thought that he was on WN's facebook friends list....but he isn't now.

 

[Flossie JMO]

It isn't the same guy that is in the family group video, sitting
outside, with Grandpa & Grandma Noyes, that I'm talking about.

As far as I can recall right now... the guy I'm talking about, isn't in that Noyes family video.

I wish I had photos & videos readily available or where to look for them...... when I want them!!

wonder if Amanda Reckonwith (sp) follows this case? she usually has amazing archives of photos, interviews, videos

 

[peace9274]

Let's see...

Entrance to what is likely the Cass/Noyes residence on South Side

Front Entrance to what is likely accessing the main stairs in the home to the upstairs apartment

Side Entrance (by the propane tanks at the front) to either a storage area or possibly the basement and Side Entrance to what is likely the former Jordan residence on the North Side

Is this what you are seeing?

Yes... there is still a 4th side that we have not seen.

I am so impressed how good you are at getting the photos & info up...
& especially how you can keep the info up to date for us.
Thank you so much for that!

 

[HRCODEPINK]

It isn't the same guy that is in the family group video, sitting
outside, with Grandpa & Grandma Noyes, that I'm talking about.

As far as I can recall right now... the guy I'm talking about, isn't in that Noyes family video.

I wish I had photos & videos readily available or where to look for them...... when I want them!!

I have not seen a family interview with the Noyes clan. Just an interview with AL and his parents and family. OUtside, sitting in chairs.

 

[hollye]

Thanks peace!

I had said early on, when I first started looking at the house and picturing Celina's bedroom being on the Spa Restaurant side, that I think the 4th side (the back side) just has the garage that runs the entire backside of the house. This house is long and narrow and from pictures, you can pretty much see the garage door on the south side and what looks like the back of the garage on the north side. I don't think there are any external stairs or doors on that side, unless they lead into the garage, from what I can tell.

 

[k4kathy]

It's also quite possible (and I hate to even say it) that she wasn't wearing any clothing when she was found.

I was thinking the same thing, but that her shoes were still on her feet when her body was recovered. So if this is the case, then why remove clothing but not shoes .... maybe DNA was left on clothing. I'm speculating here since we have no idea how/why this poor little girl met her demise or why her body was found in a river. But tell me this... why wasn't her body found floating on the surface of the water by last Friday? Even a body which sinks into the water will resurface as gases form inside the body and cause the body to float to the surface. There is no exception to this rule that I know of except for extremely cold water temps. which would delay decomposition or the body be weighted down with something such as cinderblocks.


In every lie, there is a seed of truth.

 

[mck16]

I have not seen a family interview with the Noyes clan. Just an interview with AL and his parents and family. OUtside, sitting in chairs.

I haven't either. The interview this morning was Celina's father's family.