NH NH - Elizabeth Marriott, 19, Durham, 9 Oct 2012 - # 7 *S. Mazzaglia guilty*

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I can't believe this authority didn't know why an abuser put his fist through the wall and didn't fix it for months...

come on Doc.

 

[Skigirl]

Wow, Im kind of surprised that some of you do not see Seth as an abuser

Me too.

 

[zoey]

Symbolic abuse... controlling someone without touching by inferring abuse... punching a hole in a wall and leaving it there...

by Jen Crompton/WMUR 11:52 AM


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[minor4th]

they never mentioned if Lizzi fought back---just that she was strangled and died--

I believe Kat said that Lizzi did not fight back or struggle

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

An abuse victim is kind of by definition an enabler. I also think Kat went along with it, and I even think Kat knew or suspected Seth was going to rape Lizzie when he sent the text message about painting. Kat helped murder Lizzi and she cannot be excused because she is an abuse victim.

Nevertheless, I believe she was an abuse victim and that Seth had a great deal of control over her - not that he literally forced her to participate but that Kat did fear him and the consequences of disobeying him.

Of the two, Kat is the least dangerous, as I do not believe that Kat, without Seth, would harm anyone; whereas I believe Seth is a dangerous person with or without Kat.

IMO the two of them together is what caused this horrible crime to a young woman with her whole life ahead of her. Neither was a victim. They were partners.

 

[Lori59]

they never mentioned if Lizzi fought back---just that she was strangled and died--

My memory is that KM said Lizzie attempted to grab the rope but her hands only got up to her chest. In all the strangulation details I have ever heard is that they do fight and most are able to reach the object or hands initially and scratch their own neck or the perpetrators hands. This did not happen in KM's version to the GJ. Her version did not seem true to me of the actual killing of Lizzie to the GJ. Who knows though? Also, thinking back to the horrible scream followed by the male voice speaking in a directive tone by a witness...I think the scream was actually KM and the voice was SM instructing her what to do when they realized that she was dead. IMO

 

[zoey]

I believe Kat said that Lizzi did not fight back or struggle

I find that so very very odd! JMO I would think one would fight

 

[Nymeria]

:blush: Aww so sweet Chell, as do you (and sooo many others on WS, most hanging on this thread at the moment )
If I keep going O/T though the neighborhood watch is going to slap a citation on me :giggle:

Oops you meant Minor :blushing:
:floorlaugh: sorry for snatching that compliment Minor....all yours :seeya:

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Me too.

I don't know anyone who is saying that seth is not a monster but rather that the person who got three years is escaping almost all of her culpability in this murder.

 

[Skigirl]

Wonder why the arms would be up across the chest like that instead of limp at the sides unless the person was fighting off some attack around their neck or head, their upper body and the arms were up in defense and stayed in that position?

It's because the posture is subcortical, reflexive, unintentional, and involuntary.

 

[minor4th]

Oops you meant Minor :blushing:
:floorlaugh: sorry for snatching that compliment Minor....all yours :seeya:

I think that was meant for you! :loveyou:

 

[Chelly]

An abuse victim is kind of by definition an enabler. I also think Kat went along with it, and I even think Kat knew or suspected Seth was going to rape Lizzie when he sent the text message about painting. Kat helped murder Lizzi and she cannot be excused because she is an abuse victim.

Nevertheless, I believe she was an abuse victim and that Seth had a great deal of control over her - not that he literally forced her to participate but that Kat did fear him and the consequences of disobeying him.

Of the two, Kat is the least dangerous, as I do not believe that Kat, without Seth, would harm anyone; whereas I believe Seth is a dangerous person with or without Kat.

Ok, You don't believe the story that after Lizzi refused to kiss Kat and refused to watch Kat and Seth have sex that Seth put on leather gloves while sitting behind Lizzi and strangled her from that position? (sorry for the run on sentence)

 

[minor4th]

I don't know anyone who is saying that seth is not a monster but rather that the person who got three years is escaping almost all of her culpability in this murder.

Oh, I definitely agree with that. Her punishment should have been much more severe. But I still think Seth was a very abusive person (in many ways) and that Kat was an abuse victim and was vulnerable to a person such as Seth.

 

[Xara]

An abuse victim is kind of by definition an enabler. I also think Kat went along with it, and I even think Kat knew or suspected Seth was going to rape Lizzie when he sent the text message about painting. Kat helped murder Lizzi and she cannot be excused because she is an abuse victim.

Nevertheless, I believe she was an abuse victim and that Seth had a great deal of control over her - not that he literally forced her to participate but that Kat did fear him and the consequences of disobeying him.

Of the two, Kat is the least dangerous, as I do not believe that Kat, without Seth, would harm anyone; whereas I believe Seth is a dangerous person with or without Kat.

Excellent post. I totally agree, especially about Seth being a danger.

 

[minor4th]

Ok, You don't believe the story that after Lizzi refused to kiss Kat and refused to watch Kat and Seth have sex that Seth put on leather gloves while sitting behind Lizzi and strangled her from that position? (sorry for the run on sentence)

I believe that could have happened. Why?

 

[Chelly]

Oops you meant Minor :blushing:
:floorlaugh: sorry for snatching that compliment Minor....all yours :seeya:

Nnnnnnoooooooo. I meant YOU for providing the C.W video (yet again)

 

[HauntsForHope]

Hi Haunts :seeya:

So glad you're here. This trial is a real head spinner.... What's your take on this?

 

[Chelly]

I believe that could have happened. Why?

Oh, I got the sense that you think that Kat was active in the murder as opposed to just sitting/standing there allowing it to happen.

 

[Chelly]

I am thoroughly enjoying this doc's stories.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I can't believe I am missing kat.

Can we tie this all up soon Mr. Prosecutor?