GUILTY NJ - Four dead in New Year's shooting, Long Branch, 31 Dec 2017 *Arrest*

[Jennifer17]

Apologies if already posted or discussed. In this video a neighbor describes him as schizophrenic.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ew-jersey-new-year-shooting-article-1.3730427

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Some people call all people who act out schizophrenic.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I've never seen anything like it from an adult on social media - repeated and regular tweets that make up almost the entirety of an account @ someone famous. It seems to me like a pretty clear cry for help. That, in combination with the content of the tweets, speaks to a big burden, and depression, as you say.

If I was a friend and saw that, I would have cause for concern and reach out for sure.

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It reminds me a bit of Teleka Patrick, although a lot of her tweets were delusional.

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[CARIIS]

The slain daughters twitter [emoji22] www.twitter.com/brittanykologi





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I am telling you guys -- I just don't get tWITTER!!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It reminds me a bit of Teleka Patrick, although a lot of her tweets were delusional.

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Not familiar. I'll have to look it up.

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[Deleted member 158085]

I am telling you guys -- I just don't get tWITTER!!!

I don't get Twitter for general social use, either. It's great for activism and current events, though. I got hooked during the primaries. But personal stuff? Not for me. Facebook is a better outlet for that IMO.

Interesting how people with both Twitter and Facebook appear to be two completely different kinds of people when you compare their posts from one site to the other.

You could not function on Twitter, Cariis - not enough characters available to get your point across. ;-)

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[Deadhead_Kay]

Twitter holds more of a sense of anonymity so it makes sense as to why one would be more willing to share the hard stuff when they don't personally know the people who follow them. It's weird how it works, the refusal to share the most intimate facts about yourself with those who you know, but the ability to do so to complete strangers.

 

[CARIIS]

This is starting to sound like Cho and Virginia Tech imo

 

[CARIIS]

I don't get Twitter for general social use, either. It's great for activism and current events, though. I got hooked during the primarily. But personal stuff? Not for me. Facebook is a better outlet for that IMO.

Interesting how people with both Twitter and Facebook appear to be two completely different kinds of people when you compare their posts from one site to the other.

You could not function on Twitter, Cariis - not enough characters available to get your point across. ;-)

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that is funny

and true!

imagine what it is like in person ha !!

 

[CARIIS]

I've never seen anything like it from an adult on social media - repeated and regular tweets that make up almost the entirety of an account @ someone famous. It seems to me like a pretty clear cry for help. That, in combination with the content of the tweets, speaks to a big burden, and depression, as you say.

If I was a friend and saw that, I would have cause for concern and reach out for sure.

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I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it

 

[white rabbit]

@beandawgs and cariis, i completely agree with your posts. this does mimic what i've seen in (non-asperger's) many special needs teens over the years. and again, no gun control position here, i don't really care. IMO autism turns into schizophrenia in many a male teenage case. regardless of demographics (social status, parental income, etc). i do have to fault and hold the parents responsible for not recognizing the signs nor symptoms, and if they do see it, don't act. nancy lanza. classic case of denial.

@jennifer17, you have yourself a very rare and amazing case with your granddaughter. kudos and mazel tov. but this is apples vs oranges. autism as you know has many different faces. each child is a completely separate entity.

 

[white rabbit]

@beandawgs i mean no disrespect whatsoever. @jennifer17, the school i'm associated with deals with the "unteachables" meaning those that are so low-functioning that they're one step away from committal to an institution. the last rung on the ladder. the final hope for these parents to raise their kids in any kind of school system vs home-schooled like SL or adam lanza...

this case interests me (as most of you know i'm usually on the dead-end cases of children wronged) because mental illness is the culprit here and there's no way to fix it. any ideas, put them out there folks...

:twocents:

 

[katydid23]

hm. so grandpa ("steven" is the dad) owned the gun.

appears that guns of this type are pretty pricey in nj:

http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/search?location=nj&category=rifles&tag=century-arms

perhaps this was an adam lanza situtation? grandpa and grandson would "bond" admiring his firearm? or like nancy lanza, would take him to a shooting range?

pure speculation and not fact nor opinion...just trying to figure out how this 16 year old knew what do do with a gun. or can a first-timer manage to aim successfully at four different (maybe moving?) targets?

Video games?

Every 16 yr old boy I know can shoot and aim quite well, after practicing for years online.

 

[Jennifer17]

@beandawgs and cariis, i completely agree with your posts. this does mimic what i've seen in (non-asperger's) many special needs teens over the years. and again, no gun control position here, i don't really care. IMO autism turns into schizophrenia in many a male teenage case. regardless of demographics (social status, parental income, etc). i do have to fault and hold the parents responsible for not recognizing the signs nor symptoms, and if they do see it, don't act. nancy lanza. classic case of denial.

@jennifer17, you have yourself a very rare and amazing case with your granddaughter. kudos and mazel tov. but this is apples vs oranges. autism as you know has many different faces. each child is a completely separate entity.

BBM. I think that that was my whole point. None are the same and follow the same set formula.

 

[white rabbit]

agreed, jennifer17. and my point is that the parents of any compromised child should be held accountable should that child commit a violent crime. four people are dead.

the problem in this case is that those who could be held responsible became victims. who put a firearm within reach of a special needs child??? that's what i want to know.

 

[white rabbit]

@katydid, i have 3 teenage boys. i'm pretty sure they could figure out a rifle but since we don't have one...it's a heck of a lot different than an xbox controller or a smart tv remote...easy to fire off if you can figure it out but to mortally wound four moving targets?

 

[Jennifer17]

agreed, jennifer17. and my point is that the parents of any compromised child should be held accountable should that child commit a violent crime. four people are dead.

the problem in this case is that those who could be held responsible became victims. who put a firearm within reach of a special needs child??? that's what i want to know.

I totally agree. If, however the child is just violent with the resources he/she has naturally like fists or even a knife, you cannot blame the parents, but if they have enabled the child by allowing he/she access to a firearm they should be held accountable.

 

[Confusion]

@beandawgs i mean no disrespect whatsoever. @jennifer17, the school i'm associated with deals with the "unteachables" meaning those that are so low-functioning that they're one step away from committal to an institution. the last rung on the ladder. the final hope for these parents to raise their kids in any kind of school system vs home-schooled like SL or adam lanza...

this case interests me (as most of you know i'm usually on the dead-end cases of children wronged) because mental illness is the culprit here and there's no way to fix it. any ideas, put them out there folks...

:twocents:

I'm a bit confused by your post. Autism isn't a mental illness, if that's what you were saying; it's a developmental disorder. There is no medication that helps with autism, although some issues accompanying it (depression, anxiety, etc.) can be helped with drugs and improve the functioning of an autistic person. On the other hand, most people with schizophrenia can usually be helped by drugs (if they'll take them), even though many, f not most, still have some symptoms. I don't know that people with autism are more likely to develop schizophrenia, but I believe that "childhood schizophrenia" was diagnosed as autism in the past. I'm going to quit now since I already forgot what my original reason was for posting. :blushing: As always, MOO

 

[Jennifer17]

Video games?

Every 16 yr old boy I know can shoot and aim quite well, after practicing for years online.

Eh? video consuls are the same as semi automatic weapons? And I am pretty sure that a games screen is not the same as real life. Real guns don't have cursors that you just sit back and position. And why are people allowing their sixteen year old's to play games that simulate killing people?

 

[white rabbit]

a sixteen year old killed four people.

period.

 

[CARIIS]

Eh? video consuls are the same as semi automatic weapons? And I am pretty sure that a games screen is not the same as real life. Real guns don't have cursors that you just sit back and position. And why are people allowing their sixteen year old's to play games that simulate killing people?

ugh its awful sitting around all day shooting at humans

we would never have been allowed to do that

of course its an influence -- living is an influence imo