Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[Mireille]

Both bullets passed through the bed and ended up on the floor under it. She was clearly and obviously shot whilst lying on the bed.

There was bulletfragments underneath the bed.
And two pools of blood. Each small pool had high velocity blood spatter.
Do you think she shot herself twice?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Does anyone have really good photo enhancing capabilities?

When I try to enlarge, it is too blurry to get much detail, but I know with some programs there are ways around. I'm curious about all of the photos now. So very strange.

I doubt it. These will be photos taken on 35mm film cameras and what is available on the internet will be copies from who knows where. The only place to get actual best quality versions are the original negatives. Small details in these photos tell us absolutely nothing. They are most likely irregularities over various copies or enhancements or simply lighting tricks. They don't look like spent cartridge cases to me. As I say before, I think that people are actively looking for "anomalies" and that will become a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yep. That ‘test shot’ might have been the shot for all we know, the pillow used as a silencer. Not sure what the Norwegians are playing at.

I can't recall but didn't the evidence show that the muzzle of the gun was placed directly against the bed rather than being on a pillow on the bed?

 

[Beekarina]

from the Norwegian documentary above:

 

[Mireille]

I can't recall but didn't the evidence show that the muzzle of the gun was placed directly against the bed rather than being on a pillow on the bed?

It is believed that this was a test-shot for her suicide, but she missed and had to try again without it. Though, the gun could hold 10 bullets, and there was 7 in the holster. There is 3 bullets missing.

 

[Beekarina]

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[ApparentlyInDenial]

These will be photos taken on 35mm film cameras.

No, police use of digital cameras wasn't uncommon in rich countries by then.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I can't sleep so I'm rereading the article written about this.

It says 7 bullets were found in the holster of the gun. "missing 1 bullet" it says. The gun can hold 9. It was missing 2 bullets.

There was 2 gunshots. 1 into the pillow, and one into her head.

The pillow did not to have blood, so must have been used from a distance away. Which would make the one theory shot make sense. I think the shot the security guy heard was to scare him away. There was a peephole in the door. He could have seen security coming.

That being said, the one bullet that killed her was from the gun she was holding. Trying to scour for details of the other one but I don't see much. They mentioned cartridges. Plural.

Some bullet fragments were found under the bed. If you have read the article it points out a lot of, what I perceive to be, standard investigation things, that they did not do. Like they just decided it was a suicide and called it a day.

The ring she was wearing had the numbers 333000 inscribed. Which means 8 karat. Some countries use this instead of the 14k,8k,etc system.

Well, the gun didn't have a "holster" with it (and holsters generally don't hold ammunition but they sometimes hold spare magazines) and nine is not the capacity of the GP-35, it's thirteen plus one in the chamber if you want to do that. I don't know where this figure of nine comes from, quite honestly. I'd surmise that perhaps the magazine was restricted; some jurisdictions have magazine capacity limits so maybe that was the case with this mag? Nine is an unusual number and I doubt many places have that (if any) but it could be of note - it might at least tell us where the magazine came from.

 

[Marantz4250b]

There was bulletfragments underneath the bed.
And two pools of blood. Each small pool had high velocity blood spatter.
Do you think she shot herself twice?

Where were the two "pools" of blood located?

 

[Beekarina]

Same documentary:

 

[Mireille]

Where were the two "pools" of blood located?

I am not saying this to in any way insult you. But have you looked at the photos and what has been written in the last few pages? I know my english is not perfect, though here you are, asking 'where the pools are located' when , it is in my statement.

"There was bulletfragments underneath the bed" AND two pools of blood. Please, I ask of you, read what has been said and look at the images.

Here you go. Zoom in. There are two small pools of blood, almost equal in size. Both have high velocity bloodspatter. The lower one is probably the first one, as it is in part covered by the one above.

 

[Beekarina]

 

[Beekarina]

"You expect to find blood etc on hands when :


BOTH OF HER HANDS ARE CLEAN

 

[Mireille]

"You expect to find blood etc on hands when : View attachment 293893


BOTH OF HER HANDS ARE CLEANView attachment 293894

Wow O_O neither hand. Not any blood. Not even a drop.

 

[Beekarina]

At the 28:23 mark in the linked to video, there is a graphic video of the hands of someone who shot themself in a similar manner to how "Jennifer" supposedly did.

This is all incredibly odd.

 

[Mireille]

At the 28:23 mark in the linked to video, there is a graphic video of the hands of someone who shot themself in a similar manner to how "Jennifer" supposedly did.

This is all incredibly odd.

Yeah blood will spray back on impact. There is almost no chance that the hands won't be bloody. Not just blood. Brain matter.

 

[Beekarina]

Here we see the watch. I know people asked previously which arm it was worn on.

editing to add the video again so I'm not bumping up against TOS. All images are from this same link.

 

[Beekarina]

Her watch is clean......

AND SAYS IT IS NOON? OR MIDNIGHT????

 

[Marantz4250b]

No, police use of digital cameras wasn't uncommon in rich countries by then.

I'm not saying that that is incorrect but I think it highly unlikely. I had my first digital camera in around 1998, I think and it was crap, quite frankly. A top-end digital cameral was huge money back then. Also, those pictures do not have the very "stark" feel of early digital camera to them at all. They look very like standard police 35mm pics to me.

Do you have a source for what the Norwegian police were using back then?

 

[Mireille]

Her watch is clean......

AND SAYS IT IS NOON? OR MIDNIGHT????

Maybe 11.50 or something, the arm hasn't quite reached the "12" That just means this was most likely the time they took the photo though.