Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[Beekarina]

Same video....Ole Kaldager....

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

I'm not saying that that is incorrect but I think it highly unlikely. I had my first digital camera in around 1998, I think and it was crap, quite frankly. A top-end digital cameral was huge money back then. Also, those pictures do not have the very "stark" feel of early digital camera to them at all. They look very like standard police 35mm pics to me.

Do you have a source for what the Norwegian police were using back then?

You had a crap digital camera in ‘98, and that’s a supposition for why a police force CSI in a major city wouldn’t have had a good digital camera in ‘95?

 

[Mireille]

This looks much cleaner of a shot and pillwocasing than the other image I found...???? in the article.

 

[Beekarina]

OK. I want to compare @Mireille image above with the one with the watch.

From the video, the closest to Mireille's and then the watch photo. WHERE DID THE BLOOD GO???? [/QUOTE]

 

[Mireille]

OK. I want to compare @Mireille image above with the one with the watch.

From the video, the closest to Mireille's and then the watch photo. WHERE DID THE BLOOD GO????View attachment 293900 View attachment 293901

[/QUOTE]

just some observsations

Blood?
What dis?

And
What is the gun covered in, cause it does not look like this in the other photos.

If that is blood......?

 

[Mireille]

O_O They moved the gun.....? Lowest, 19-20
Here it shows to reach 31 cm at the "highest" on the......
Here...34 lowest point 22-23?

I hope they just moved the ruler. That's possible right.Even if it appears to be on the same place. A few cm up or down ...for some reason.

 

[Beekarina]

I need a coffee. Or 4.

I almost feel as though the wrists/frame in the "clean" images are a different, heavier woman.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think the staff were negligent and incompetent but I don't believe there's a conspiracy here, personally. I don't think the police did a great job either initially because they thought "just a suicide" and didn't realize until after the scene had been cleaned up and everything that they couldn't ID her, so there was no initial reason to suspect anything other than suicide.

I think she possibly got the ferry from Copenhagen to Oslo rather than flying. There's less checks in general with ferries within Europe.

I think it's possible that she could have disposed of all of her clothes and stuff herself if she was suicidal. It's quite a common thing to do to "prepare" for a suicide. However the lack of trousers/skirt leans away from that idea.

Or she lived in Norway?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Buses are another option. Think about 90s Europe, again, if you're old enough. How people dressed. How it was to travel. I know I keep saying this, but "Jennifer" doesn't seem as though she would have attracted attention from anyone. She could have been anyone, from anywhere.

She was so ordinary. Why care who she was, what she was doing? Look at her photo. Would you remember her if it was not for this case?

I entirely agree here, she was very normal for the time.

 

[Mireille]

Or she lived in Norway?

You keep repeating this. May I ask what makes you think she is norwegian? Other than the murder happening in norway?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Obviously, if you find anything REALLY weird, don't share it if it could be unsafe. No one has said that for awhile, but I think it is worth saying.

As always, this case, while so interesting, might have an unsavory element to it.

How could it be "unsafe"?

 

[Marantz4250b]

You had a crap digital camera in ‘98, and that’s a supposition for why a police force CSI in a major city wouldn’t have had a good digital camera in ‘95?

No, it's saying that digital camera technology was generally crap in 1995.

As I say though, do you have a source for your statement that digital cameras were not uncommon in the police forces of rich countries at that time? I very much doubt that they were, to be honest. Digital cameras were very new technology at the time and the judicial system, regardless of jurisdiction, is notoriously slow in adoptign new technology, especially where it is used for evidential purposes. I'm not saying that you are wrong but I think it unlikely that a potential murder scene would be photographed with a digital camera at that time. Also, these do not lok like digital camera pics to me, especially not ones shot with 1995 technology.

 

[Marantz4250b]

You keep repeating this. May I ask what makes you think she is norwegian? Other than the murder happening in norway?

I don't, necessarily. I'm merely proposing it as a reasonable possibility, one which no one seems to be considering. The assumptions seem to be that she was recently arrived from outside Norway and that may be true. Apart from her registration card though (which she filled in) there is nothing to suggest any foreign origin, when you think about it.

 

[Mireille]

I don't, necessarily. I'm merely proposing it as a reasonable possibility, one which no one seems to be considering. The assumptions seem to be that she was recently arrived from outside Norway and that may be true. Apart from her registration card though (which she filled in) there is nothing to suggest any foreign origin, when you think about it.

As I pointed out before, when she booked her room, she spoke first in english, then in a later call, in german.
At no point did she converse in Norwegian with anyone. That is a second point.
Her dental work, is not something found in norway at the time either. The isotope analysis pointed to a sliver of norwegian land she could be from, and large other european areas as well. Not saying this excludes her, but it is food for thought.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Another bullet casing (I've lost count of them now). And that feather again from another angle.

That thing on the right categorically is not a 9mm cartridge case. 100% guaranteed it isn't. It's way too small.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

The whole front section of the gun is missing at the crime scene, but present in the artefact photo.

The gun is not the same. Or the image is not the same.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Beekarina]

These are both screenshots taken from the Norwegian Documentary

and


Was the gun cleaned between photos?

It appears longer in the first image.

 

[Beekarina]

I'm not sure why the second image is so small. Trying something else. Again the image is from the Norwegian Documentary.

 

[janewall]

I'm not sure why the second image is so small. Trying something else. Again the image is from the Norwegian Documentary.
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This discrepancy in gun images is disturbing. It looks like the gun itself was tampered with, not just photographic manipulation. If it is even the same gun. The muzzle is visibly shorter, and blunter looking – as though the end has been removed or cut off.

Everything about the evidence record in this case is awfully hinky for something all of officialdom has been trying to pass off for decades as a sad, but simple, instance of a traveler's suicide.