Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[Beekarina]

Where is Jennifer's body in that shot? Completely disguised by the duvet??

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Where is Jennifer's body in that shot? Completely disguised by the duvet??

Pretty much - there's some of her black clothing in-view just at the top of the duvet, but not much.

 

[Beekarina]

I really wish we could see a full body image of her, holding the weapon.

I also find the removal of the papers, menus, whatever was in that stand very odd. I cannot come up with a reason for it?

 

[noodlefreak]

Yes, people have killed themselves in hotels. What I am getting at is the full picture. It is very odd. She at least *claimed* to be from another country. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I can't imagine going to that sort of trouble while despondent.

If she was being trafficked and controlled, why was she the one who phoned the hotel on both occasions in reference to the room reservations?

How do we know that she was the one who called the hotel for the reservations?

 

[noodlefreak]

Jennifer s RESERVATIONS
The original reservation was for Thursday 1st June to Friday 2nd of June.
Which means that originally she is planning to stay only for one night.
Then the reservation changes and it is now asked (i am not sure that she calls the hotel herself or someone else makes the reservations for her), to check in, one day earlier, on Thursday 31st of May. That is a quite big money difference to be paid for such a room and while she doesnt seem to leave her room at night (it is been said that after money excange she is back in her room) it makes me think that her job, date or what has brought her to the hotel, was as originally planned between Thursday and Friday and it is has not be changed, so why paying the extra money? Is she so rich or someone else is paying for her?
Then on friday morning went herself to the reception and asked to stay for one more night. Here i would like to make a parenthesis and say that reception at this point has to retrieve her data again. By this time they should have noticed that the check-in form is not complete and no ID or passport has been given...or were they ..again too busy?

So why is she prolonging her stay this time? Is her job not done or is she s been asked to?
On Friday morning she is for approximately two hours away from her room and it is the last time she is out.
On Friday evening she orders food and I guess is the last time she s been seeing alive.
On Saturday reception sends a message about the bill. The time is 19:36. The message is read. Then why would security go up in the room only 14min later? When a guest reads a message at 19:36 needs sometime to put clothes on, take his wallet and go to reception to pay..

 

[noodlefreak]

Another question. When police arrived on the scene they took a photo from the doorway, before entering the room. In the distance there's a table with a stand that has some papers in, not uncommon for a business hotel.

During CSI processing of the room, but before completion, those papers were all removed from the stand. You can see that in the photo of the food, just to the top of the shot.

CSIs don't remove objects during processing, it would break the chain of evidence and compromise a crime scene. So why were these removed? And why these, and not a whole bunch of other objects that were around?

After photos were taken, couldnt they have been removed for fingerprints? I guess it is a Menu Card and Hotel services Card.. (though possibly used by many other guests..)

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

After photos were taken, couldnt they have been removed for fingerprints? I guess it is a Menu Card and Hotel services Card.. (though possibly used by many other guests..)

Yeah they would have been removed for prints eventually, but the convention for crime scene processing is not to remove any item until the entire scene has been processed and photographed.

 

[Oakie]

There is so much about this case that is weird.

If you simply wish to end your life, why would you go to so much trouble?

Why would you:

-Make hotel arrangements, then alter them?
-Make hotel arrangements at an upscale hotel?
-Under an alias, using false address, etc.

(Assuming she traveled, why even bother to do this? Why not kill yourself in Belgium, or Germany or wherever?)

-Why leave the hotel for 20-24 hours? Why not just get on with it?

-Why cut all the labels so carefully out of your clothes?

-You want to end your life? OK. Why do all of your undies go away? Your toothbrush? Your skirt, and any other clothing for the bottom half of your body?

-Why bother ordering room service? OK, you want a last meal, maybe. Your last meal is a few bites of sausage and potato salad....A DAY AFTER YOU ORDERED IT??? Gross. And weird....very weird.

So then, you decide to shoot yourself, with a messed up hinky gun, with enough bullets to shoot up the entire floor you're staying on, and somehow your hands are nice and neat, everything falls just so....

Nope, not weird at all. If I was depressed & suicidal , I would definitely have the energy to coordinate all of this....

Exactly. I think that there is ZERO chance that this woman committed suicide. She was on the run from a (probably state-sponsored) killing squad, who finally caught up with her.

 

[PatLaurel]

Jennifer s RESERVATIONS
The original reservation was for Thursday 1st June to Friday 2nd of June.
Which means that originally she is planning to stay only for one night.
Then the reservation changes and it is now asked (i am not sure that she calls the hotel herself or someone else makes the reservations for her), to check in, one day earlier, on Thursday 31st of May. That is a quite big money difference to be paid for such a room and while she doesnt seem to leave her room at night (it is been said that after money excange she is back in her room) it makes me think that her job, date or what has brought her to the hotel, was as originally planned between Thursday and Friday and it is has not be changed, so why paying the extra money? Is she so rich or someone else is paying for her?
Then on friday morning went herself to the reception and asked to stay for one more night. Here i would like to make a parenthesis and say that reception at this point has to retrieve her data again. By this time they should have noticed that the check-in form is not complete and no ID or passport has been given...or were they ..again too busy?

So why is she prolonging her stay this time? Is her job not done or is she s been asked to?
On Friday morning she is for approximately two hours away from her room and it is the last time she is out.
On Friday evening she orders food and I guess is the last time she s been seeing alive.
On Saturday reception sends a message about the bill. The time is 19:36. The message is read. Then why would security go up in the room only 14min later? When a guest reads a message at 19:36 needs sometime to put clothes on, take his wallet and go to reception to pay..

BBM

And, why didn't they charge the room when she went to the front desk to extend the stay?
Wasn't this the reason they sent her the message on Thursday afternoon?

MOO JMOO

 

[Marantz4250b]

I need to go back and find which documentary or article has the mention, but I believe others are on record saying they checked in without ID as well. Basically just hurried through, front desk seemed rushed/super busy. I think Borghild Stradnes, or perhaps the couple from Switzerland who was on their honeymoon at the time.

The thing is though that everyone else would have had ID - Jennifer had none. No passport, no state issued ID card, no driving licence, no payment cards. No one would try to slide by hotel ID requirements by trying to hit on a busy time and hope that they weren't asked for ID if they had none. The chance of being refused entry would be very high. I'd also suggest that even if some people were just hurried through check-in as it was busy then that was probably uncommon for a very high-class establishment like that so it would be almost impossible to plan. She (or whomever she checked in with) knew that she would not be asked for ID, I believe. The hotel either knew her, the person she was with or whomever made to reservation and knew to not ask for ID.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Exactly. I think that there is ZERO chance that this woman committed suicide. She was on the run from a (probably state-sponsored) killing squad, who finally caught up with her.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support that.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I really wish we could see a full body image of her, holding the weapon.

Same. Does anyone know whether Norway has any sort of public disclosure law or anything? It would be nice get first gen pics from the original negatives of all the pics taken.

 

[PatLaurel]

Same. Does anyone know whether Norway has any sort of public disclosure law or anything? It would be nice get first gen pics from the original negatives of all the pics taken.

I emailed Kripos this afternoon but they only check the emails on weekdays from 08.00 to 15.00.

 

[Beekarina]

I can't be 100% certain, but I believe there is a discrepancy between the older female desk agent (a supervisor of some sort), and the younger male. Both have a memory of checking Jennifer in, and some type of recollection of seeing her with an older man. Their stories differ on when they saw the man.

The older female hotel employee describes the check in as a couple, and describes it as "ordinary procedure." If you watch the reenactment in the documentary, everything looks ordinary, including, I believe payment, etc. I personally think there could have been something a bit unusual there. She says "the couple checked in like ordinary people, like you and I..." (Paraphrasing)

Based on my own experiences, I find it absolutely possible and believable to check in without ID and to be on a cash basis, HOWEVER I do find it extremely weird to have run a tab, and extended her stay, without someone noticing and some sort of payment/deposit since this was a more upscale hotel. I did stay at places and settle on a cash basis. In Scandinavia, in particular, very few people cared about my ID. I do concede the point that *counting* on checking in without paying or ID would be strange. I'm guessing she had fake IDs, and she probably had the means to pay....and just did not? Otherwise, something most certainly was very, very wrong and someone at the hotel was involved.....

 

[Beekarina]

The thing is though that everyone else would have had ID - Jennifer had none. No passport, no state issued ID card, no driving licence, no payment cards. No one would try to slide by hotel ID requirements by trying to hit on a busy time and hope that they weren't asked for ID if they had none. The chance of being refused entry would be very high. I'd also suggest that even if some people were just hurried through check-in as it was busy then that was probably uncommon for a very high-class establishment like that so it would be almost impossible to plan. She (or whomever she checked in with) knew that she would not be asked for ID, I believe. The hotel either knew her, the person she was with or whomever made to reservation and knew to not ask for ID.

This is so very weird. I'm on the fence here as to if she had an ID. She may have had multiple IDs, along the lines of the Isdal woman.

I actually still have one of my old passports. It is almost comical how simple it is. I also have old International Student ID cards, and similar things saved as mementos. Jennifer was certainly young enough to have obtained one of those, or an international driver's permit. Both were pretty easy to get back then. I had other minor IDs too, like library cards, University IDs and other random stuff from a few countries where I had stayed. They were legit, but again, easy to fake. She could have waved something like that, and maybe it would have worked?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I emailed Kripos this afternoon but they only check the emails on weekdays from 08.00 to 15.00.

That's cool. Interested to see the results of that.

 

[PatLaurel]

Kripos does not handle enquires from the public.
Maybe I contacted the wrong agency?!

 

[Mireille]

Kripos does not handle enquires from the public.
Maybe I contacted the wrong agency?!

I think they are basically saying that a certain police dept "owns" the case and they merely provide support to police investigations. You may have to go to the police handling her case.

Which would be an Oslo police dept. Not sure what subsection.

 

[PatLaurel]

I think they are basically saying that a certain police dept "owns" the case and they merely provide support to police investigations. You may have to go to the police handling her case.

Which would be an Oslo police dept. Not sure what subsection.

I emailed the Oslo Police District this time. And also asked a Norwegian friend from Oslo to contact them by phone, just in case...

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

I emailed the Oslo Police District this time. And also asked a Norwegian friend from Oslo to contact them by phone, just in case...

If that doesn't work you have the right to ask your MP for assistance in dealing with public authorities. Not sure how the specifics of classified cases work, but an MP being involved might help.

I've been in touch with the journalist who leads VG's coverage of this case, I'll write a follow up to him today.