NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[jjenny]

-It is so mysterious at this point it’s not even feasible to believe anything about his role yet. I mean in regards to not knowing who he is employed by. We have nothing to go on as far as seeing his wages-forms-license-union. Is he full time-part time, contract employee, detail or 3rd party? He is the main character witness. We know more about ML employment and citizenship than his. Someone may be bribing him, or have set him up?

-If there has been a transcript from his interview posted I have missed that.

I really don't understand why people feel they are entitled to know everything about his life. Why do you feel you are entitled to any of this information? If the man doesn't want publicity, he doesn't want publicity. It's his life, it's not yours.

 

[Gooddeeds]

He is also a victim. He has been shot. As far as I can tell, he told all he knows to the authorities. He isn't obligated to give interviews to the press.

-A statement, not an interview. An interview is indeed a most personal choice.

 

[jjenny]

-A statement, not an interview. An interview is indeed a most personal choice.

What makes you think he didn't give a statement to LE?

 

[jjenny]

Because it's been reported that he has been interviewed and LE never said he didn't cooperate. So why would I think otherwise?

 

[Tricia]

I will time out for a very long time the next person who makes a personal post that is snarky or rude to another member.

Here is the deal; I don't care who starts what if you get personal you are gone for a long time.

This thread is testing our wonderful and overworked moderators patience.

Dial it back and stick to the rules, please

Tricia

 

[kittythehare]

Because it's been reported that he has been interviewed and LE never said he didn't cooperate. So why would I think otherwise?

Of course he has, of course they interviewed him, there is no doubt about that. Feds most likely reinterviewed everybody as well..

 

[MistyWaters]

The Snopes article has only part of her post. (I thought Snopes.com was to verify if false but I don't see they have said that?). IMO the CT part is false. Anyway her entire post is in the link. She even talks about fireworks. But this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. She was there. As were her friends who say the same thing. In fact the group was separated at one point then met up again and both groups have very similar accounts... (which is the answer to your question how is possible none were shot), there were 5 of them. They split into a group of 3 and 2. KS mentions about stepping over a body and feeling guilt. So it was all around her.
In fact, there is a victim who's wife died and he didn't. How was he so lucky? Same thing IMO.

The only thing I feel is disrespectful to the victims is again how people say, meh. They were panicked and full of terror.

None of these people have any creditability in people's eyes, and quite frankly some are pissed and I don't blame them..

If I continue to discuss this I'll end up banned because I'm utterly in disbelief how people are completely rude when it comes to these VICTIMS.

BTW. Victims are called on for many court cases. I would say they are a creditable source

And if you don't believe there are "tons of people", do your own research. CNN interviewed one. She seemed pretty calm at the time not panicked to me.

They are out there. Just because you choose not to believe any of them.

RIP KS.
MOO

I have a closing question open to anyone.

Since you don't believe the victims accounts who were there because they don't have a clue what they are taking about. Who exactly do you believe?

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Who exactly do I believe? I have an opinion based on everything I've read and viewed about the tragedy and that opinion might change based upon new information. As far as "believing", that requires a far deeper level of emotional commitment that is reserved for things that directly involve ones own personal life - in my opinion.

As the popularity of social media advanced, I've noticed a sort of a weird tendency for people to take sides, as if real life events are a game of win or lose. Websleuths doesn't allow links to SM, considering it's Tricia's right to determine the boundaries surrounding this forum, and it's actually one of the reasons I like it.

 

[Betty P]

-It is so mysterious at this point it’s not even feasible to believe anything about his role yet. I mean in regards to not knowing who he is employed by. We have nothing to go on as far as seeing his wages-forms-license-union. Is he full time-part time, contract employee, detail or 3rd party? He is the main character witness. We know more about ML employment and citizenship than his. Someone may be bribing him, or have set him up?

-If there has been a transcript from his interview posted I have missed that.

He's an employee of Mandalay Bay. The security employees there voted to join a union last December.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...t-mandalay-bay-votes-to-sign-3-year-contract/


They are employed by Mandalay Bay, with whom they have a union contract.

A spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International, which operates Mandalay Bay, said management’s labor team was notified of the results of the vote, which is an internal union process.

The contract gives officers with five or more years of service a $500 signing bonus and those with less than five years’ service, $250, Bello said.

All full-time officers and 10 percent of on-call officers are under the contract. Union officials wanted at least 25 percent of the on-call group included.

In December, security guards at the resort approved representation in a 163-79 vote, becoming part of Local 2121 within the union’s Casino Hotel Industry Police division.

He must be a legal worker to be in the union. Details of his personal life don't need to be shared with the public, the same as with other witnesses and victims. He's been interviewed by LE investigating the case, per information give in the press conferences.

The public knows as much about his work as we know about ML's. ML was in a long-term close relationship with the killer, JC was not.

 

[Gooddeeds]

What makes you think he didn't give a statement to LE?

-Nothing has made me think otherwise yet.

Timelines are not difficult to establish. All emergency communications are time stamped as well as most body cam videos, but it seems the parties involved can’t land any particular timeline. This is basic info. He was working, he had not clocked out as far as we know.

Has anyone seen a documented report that has dates for when the FBI spoke to JC? I recall MLs reading something like:
“ML met with the FBI on Tuesday for 5 hours to give her statement.
She was met at the airport by...
ML was born in...
She is not a POI at this time”

These are typical and standard for immediate and various surrounding persons to an alleged killer.

We know more about some of the gun shops from their given statements than we know about JC. Dates-transactions-store surveillance, etc

We are told JC was the first and last to ‘engage’ with SP. That I believe has been consistent, though nothing else has.

 

[MistyWaters]

To refer back to a prior discussion about (grimey) service elevators, it seems it was a VIP elevator that SP had access to. IMO perks such as that for MBs best customers makes much more sense.

"A third lawyer, Craig Eiland, questioned Paddock’s access to a VIP service elevator, saying that could have helped him carry weapons and larger luggage to his room without drawing attention."
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

 

[kittythehare]

-Nothing has made me think otherwise yet.

Timelines are not difficult to establish. All emergency communications are time stamped as well as most body cam videos, but it seems the parties involved can’t land any particular timeline. This is basic info. He was working, he had not clocked out as far as we know.

Has anyone seen a documented report that has dates for when the FBI spoke to JC? I recall MLs reading something like:
“ML met with the FBI on Tuesday for 5 hours to give her statement.
She was met at the airport by...
ML was born in...
She is not a POI at this time”

These are typical and standard for immediate and various surrounding persons to an alleged killer.

We know more about some of the gun shops from their given statements than we know about JC. Dates-transactions-store surveillance, etc

We are told JC was the first and last to ‘engage’ with SP. That I believe has been consistent, though nothing else has.

I know I stated the fBI are between useless and something worse in the past- I meant that in the context of giving information to the public about ongoing cases. They simply have a policy not to discuss investigations, they wont be discussing this one either.
Nobody will be giving statements from LE documenting their procedures..
MD was exceptional because of her relationship with SP.

 

[Gooddeeds]

He's an employee of Mandalay Bay. The security employees there voted to join a union last December.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...t-mandalay-bay-votes-to-sign-3-year-contract/


They are employed by Mandalay Bay, with whom they have a union contract.



He must be a legal worker to be in the union. Details of his personal life don't need to be shared with the public, the same as with other witnesses and victims. He's been interviewed by LE investigating the case, per information give in the press conferences.

The public knows as much about his work as we know about ML's. ML was in a long-term close relationship with the killer, JC was not.

-Thank you Betty for providing the link. We looked at that and he is not listed on there. I don’t think any of us are looking to hear about his personal life with the exception of hoping that he has family to support him. His employment info (schedule/description) is a direct key element to the timeline.

-A victims father inquires:

“Was the SG employee trained for A and B, or A?
If he was trained, licensed and union why haven’t you properly backed him with the responders narrative? Because it clearly shows he was stamped at 8:30 and the responding party waited until...8:40...

If he wasn’t trained for the adequate/necessary...response where was your employee(s) that is trained for such...?

-These are questions that many are grappling with, and sadly the answers are basic, and worse, they are not addressing it.

 

[canadiangirl]

......

 

[Gooddeeds]

To refer back to a prior discussion about (grimey) service elevators, it seems it was a VIP elevator that SP had access to. IMO perks such as that for MBs best customers makes much more sense.

"A third lawyer, Craig Eiland, questioned Paddock’s access to a VIP service elevator, saying that could have helped him carry weapons and larger luggage to his room without drawing attention."
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

-Agree. A service elevator and a VIP elevator are not one in the same.

 

[canadiangirl]

To refer back to a prior discussion about (grimey) service elevators, it seems it was a VIP elevator that SP had access to. IMO perks such as that for MBs best customers makes much more sense.

"A third lawyer, Craig Eiland, questioned Paddock’s access to a VIP service elevator, saying that could have helped him carry weapons and larger luggage to his room without drawing attention."
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

Makes way more sense and they clearly have them..

http://www.lasvegasrestaurants.com/foundation-room/

Originally a ‘members only’ secret, accessible only via a private elevator in Mandalay Bay,

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[Gooddeeds]

I know I stated the fBI are between useless and something worse in the past- I meant that in the context of giving information to the public about ongoing cases. They simply have a policy not to discuss investigations, they wont be discussing this one either.
Nobody will be giving statements from LE documenting their procedures..
MD was exceptional because of her relationship with SP.

-Agree. We have seen this to be true.

my question here though is if they are giving us something, why then be specific? As in, “at 8:33 on Wednesday night...a SG...”
Instead they could have said “late Wednesday evening an employee engaged a shooter...”
IMO that would have been better. On or Off, not falling on all sides of the middle����

 

[kittythehare]

-Agree. A service elevator and a VIP elevator are not one in the same.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...on-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay

[FONT=&quot]On two separate occasions, a Mandalay Bay bellman helped Paddock carry his luggage to his suite via the hotel's service elevator. MGM resorts said this about the service, "it is not a special perk and guests do request to remain with their bags, and they may be taken to their room via the service elevator."
[/FONT]strangely, same article
[FONT=&quot]As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.[/FONT]

 

[Betty P]

-Thank you Betty for providing the link. We looked at that and he is not listed on there. I don’t think any of us are looking to hear about his personal life with the exception of hoping that he has family to support him. His employment info (schedule/description) is a direct key element to the timeline.

-A victims father inquires:

“Was the SG employee trained for A and B, or A?
If he was trained, licensed and union why haven’t you properly backed him with the responders narrative? Because it clearly shows he was stamped at 8:30 and the responding party waited until...8:40...

If he wasn’t trained for the adequate/necessary...response where was your employee(s) that is trained for such...?

-These are questions that many are grappling with, and sadly the answers are basic, and worse, they are not addressing it.

The union does not provide a full list of members at their web site. That's why you didn't find his name there.

You will note at the web site that the union recently gave him an award for his heroism. Article with photos

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html

This article has been posted here before.



That was very nice of them.

ETA: Can you please provide a link for your quotes above, allegedly from a victim's father? TIA

 

[MistyWaters]

-Thank you Betty for providing the link. We looked at that and he is not listed on there. I don’t think any of us are looking to hear about his personal life with the exception of hoping that he has family to support him. His employment info (schedule/description) is a direct key element to the timeline.

-A victims father inquires:

“Was the SG employee trained for A and B, or A?
If he was trained, licensed and union why haven’t you properly backed him with the responders narrative? Because it clearly shows he was stamped at 8:30 and the responding party waited until...8:40...

If he wasn’t trained for the adequate/necessary...response where was your employee(s) that is trained for such...?

-These are questions that many are grappling with, and sadly the answers are basic, and worse, they are not addressing it.

What makes the media reporting of this tragedy somewhat different is because the perpetrator is dead, no charges are filed against anyone. Those charging documents would otherwise contain a wealth of information when they're released to the public.

And almost immediately the threat of civil lawsuits arose. The questions the father asks will be at the centre of any litigation filed on MB including JC's role. It'd be highly unusual that a corporation would let its position be known in advance of civil court proceedings in order to avoid undue speculation, under attorney advice. I have to say that I have huge empathy for JC because of any potential allegations that his response (or lack of) resulted in the death of 58 people and injuries to 500. The fight for money often has no mercy upon the innocent people it involves. JMO

 

[Betty P]

-Thank you Betty for providing the link. We looked at that and he is not listed on there. I don’t think any of us are looking to hear about his personal life with the exception of hoping that he has family to support him. His employment info (schedule/description) is a direct key element to the timeline.

-A victims father inquires:

“Was the SG employee trained for A and B, or A?
If he was trained, licensed and union why haven’t you properly backed him with the responders narrative? Because it clearly shows he was stamped at 8:30 and the responding party waited until...8:40...

If he wasn’t trained for the adequate/necessary...response where was your employee(s) that is trained for such...?

-These are questions that many are grappling with, and sadly the answers are basic, and worse, they are not addressing it.

The union does not provide a full list of members at their web site. That's why you didn't find his name there.

You will note at the web site that the union recently gave him an award for his heroism. Article with photos

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html