Found Deceased NV - Naomi Irion, 18, kidnapped from pkg lot, car fnd, Fernley, 12 Mar 2022 *POI died in jail before trial* #4

[OldCop]

That strange walk/gait is known as a “perp walk.”

It’s a common type of swagger in prison communities.

A perp walk is when LE leads a person who has been arrested for a nasty crime out the door of the station very slowly so that the press get some good camera/video shots.
A Prison walk is the gait taken on by inmates who have been in confinement for a while. It’s almost kind of a shuffle. The lower hierarchy inmates keep their heads down and avoid eye contact so they won’t be singled out by the prison bullies. The prisoners with the swagger or strut are higher in the hierarchy such as gang leaders, notorious criminals etc. Sometimes lower ranking prisoners will use the swagger to display a false confidence.

 

[Ilex]

A perp walk is when LE leads a person who has been arrested for a nasty crime out the door of the station very slowly so that the press get some good camera/video shots.
A Prison walk is the gait taken on by inmates who have been in confinement for a while. It’s almost kind of a shuffle. The lower hierarchy inmates keep their heads down and avoid eye contact so they won’t be singled out by the prison bullies. The prisoners with the swagger or strut are higher in the hierarchy such as gang leaders, notorious criminals etc. Sometimes lower ranking prisoners will use the swagger to display a false confidence.

Around these parts we call it the "Gangsta gait" or the "Saugus strut".

 

[evilwise]

In addition to what seems to me like a "Totally 90s" MO not thinking about so many cameras, another impression I get is that perhaps this guy is a serial rapist not necessarily killer and that another element of his MO is terrifying his victims so much they never report him - and Naomi here might have been the first to call his bluff and fight.

The contradictions I'm seeing skimming the thread seem like they might be explained by him engaging in the same calculated prowling + opportunistic "pouncing" we see in serial killers but there being no bodies attached to him.

Might we see other women coming forward now that his face is making the rounds?

 

[iQuill]

I'm catching up now, has the autopsy results been released yet? Any further charges? TIA

 

[mickey2942]

I'm catching up now, has the autopsy results been released yet? Any further charges? TIA

No. The autopsy results are not back yet. Let's hope TD never gets out of prison.

 

[sassyblue]

I am sincerely confused about those that are dismissing the young woman's video and claim that she was stalked and followed along the highway and various parking lots. And am also disheartened by the fact that the police did not bother to investigate her claims or view her video.

She did what we urge our own selves, our daughters and other women to do! She observed and paid attention and did her best to protect herself. She did it right and probably saved her own life.

Whether it was TD or not, whoever that man was in the video she took, he was up to no good and no one believed her.

And it makes me wonder about those that are dismissing her so easy. It seems us women are damned if we do manage to survive by doing our observant best but then we aren't believed when we say we were in danger.

And damned if we don't survive because then the words of wisdom are we weren't careful and aware of our surroundings at all times and the implication is we deserved what we got.

 

[Satchie]

Some people are risk takers, most are not. I think that people like Troy Driver are risk takers, where, in weighing the options, impulse control is a factor. The impulse to abduct Naomi that morning was stronger than the caution of abandoning the plan after a car pulled into the lot and shone headlights on him. He probably rationalized that he was unrecognizable with his hoody and mask, that there was no way to connect him to his truck, and that the risk associated with the headlights was low.

Some might view that as stupid, but for Troy it was not a significant enough risk to change his plan.

I agree. A person who does this is likely a psychopath. One of the defining traits of a psychopath is, they take risks most people never would, because they don't feel 'normal' fear of the consequences.

"the threat of injury, going to jail, or disapproval wouldn't stop a person with psychopathy from doing what they please."
4 defining traits of a psychopath, according to a researcher who studies them

With regards to the age of the perp, IMO there's too many recent cases of older first-timers to make his having done something similar before a certainty:

-the UK Sarah Everard policeman perp (age 48)
-the Canadian mall Santa/gardener (60s)
- the Canadian Colonel (50s)
- the pilot who allegedly murdered a couple in the Australian outback (55)

I think it's possible for someone to fantasize repeatedly about committing a crime, but not actually carry it out until they've become so secure in their job/life, that they become bored...

JMO

 

[housewife]

I am sincerely confused about those that are dismissing the young woman's video and claim that she was stalked and followed along the highway and various parking lots. And am also disheartened by the fact that the police did not bother to investigate her claims or view her video.

She did what we urge our own selves, our daughters and other women to do! She observed and paid attention and did her best to protect herself. She did it right and probably saved her own life.

Whether it was TD or not, whoever that man was in the video she took, he was up to no good and no one believed her.

And it makes me wonder about those that are dismissing her so easy. It seems us women are damned if we do manage to survive by doing our observant best but then we aren't believed when we say we were in danger.

And damned if we don't survive because then the words of wisdom are we weren't careful and aware of our surroundings at all times and the implication is we deserved what we got.

I couldn't agree more.
The stalking/pursuing/forced encounters the young woman experienced in her car could be pre-offense behavior for TD. Didn't Ed Kemper practice taxiing college girls around to observe and learn before he ultimately decided to start killing them? I think Kevin Bennett behaved this way as well.

In addition,
Police departments have a history of not believing stalking victims. They don't understand what stalking is and there has been an epidemic of disbelief when women report these crimes. It causes secondary victimization when your report is not "believed".
I believe this woman, that she felt unsafe and intimidated by another person with their car. But more importantly for this case, she has video evidence of it taking place and it was not an event she created in her head. I think it should be investigated like any other tip in this case.

 

[Eloise]

I am sincerely confused about those that are dismissing the young woman's video and claim that she was stalked and followed along the highway and various parking lots. And am also disheartened by the fact that the police did not bother to investigate her claims or view her video.

She did what we urge our own selves, our daughters and other women to do! She observed and paid attention and did her best to protect herself. She did it right and probably saved her own life.

Whether it was TD or not, whoever that man was in the video she took, he was up to no good and no one believed her.

And it makes me wonder about those that are dismissing her so easy. It seems us women are damned if we do manage to survive by doing our observant best but then we aren't believed when we say we were in danger.

And damned if we don't survive because then the words of wisdom are we weren't careful and aware of our surroundings at all times and the implication is we deserved what we got.

I don't dismiss her experience at all, and I think police should have taken it more seriously for its own merits. I do doubt that it was TD though IMO and I do doubt that it has any relevance to this thread about Naomi. JMO

 

[jdglove]

In my opinion it might have been TD following the other woman. The authorities should know by now if it was.

There's a way some men behave when they have a problem with women, especially if they are always being rejected or if they are strongly chauvinistic and they are angry that some women have control over them or have wronged them. Such men act out by harassing or demeaning or physically intimidating women as a show of power or to assert their manliness. Sexual assault may just be an extreme case of that.

My opinion is that's what the driver was doing by following her. If he was truly wanting to abduct her or attack her that day, he could have blocked her way in the tunnel. And if he was stalking her to learn her habits or vulnerabilities for a future abduction, he would have been more stealthy rather than tailgating her.

When he had her cornered and blocked in the parking lot, he was probably going to insult her with "What's your problem?" or worse and get a kick out of having upset her. But she didn't roll down her window and she filmed him instead. That must have infuriated him even more.

I don't know what you call that but it's common. And men who act that way at times (like when drunk or mad) rarely go further or escalate to physical abuse, but some do, and a rare few might escalate to rape or murder. Woman can sense that kind of danger and it's smart not to take chances when they are alone AND to call for help if they feel it is necessary.

JMO

 

[DutchTreat]

In my opinion it might have been TD following the other woman. The authorities should know by now if it was.

There's a way some men behave when they have a problem with women, especially if they are always being rejected or if they are strongly chauvinistic and they are angry that some women have control over them or have wronged them. Such men act out by harassing or demeaning or physically intimidating women as a show of power or to assert their manliness. Sexual assault may just be an extreme case of that.

My opinion is that's what the driver was doing by following her. If he was truly wanting to abduct her or attack her that day, he could have blocked her way in the tunnel. And if he was stalking her to learn her habits or vulnerabilities for a future abduction, he would have been more stealthy rather than tailgating her.

When he had her cornered and blocked in the parking lot, he was probably going to insult her with "What's your problem?" or worse and get a kick out of having upset her. But she didn't roll down her window and she filmed him instead. That must have infuriated him even more.

I don't know what you call that but it's common. And men who act that way at times (like when drunk or mad) rarely go further or escalate to physical abuse, but some do, and a rare few might escalate to rape or murder. Woman can sense that kind of danger and it's smart not to take chances when they are alone AND to call for help if they feel it is necessary.

JMO

In a way he ended up in jail because of his sister. So I don't know how that impacted his attitude towards women.

 

[OldCop]

I am sincerely confused about those that are dismissing the young woman's video and claim that she was stalked and followed along the highway and various parking lots. And am also disheartened by the fact that the police did not bother to investigate her claims or view her video.

She did what we urge our own selves, our daughters and other women to do! She observed and paid attention and did her best to protect herself. She did it right and probably saved her own life.

Whether it was TD or not, whoever that man was in the video she took, he was up to no good and no one believed her.

And it makes me wonder about those that are dismissing her so easy. It seems us women are damned if we do manage to survive by doing our observant best but then we aren't believed when we say we were in danger.

And damned if we don't survive because then the words of wisdom are we weren't careful and aware of our surroundings at all times and the implication is we deserved what we got.

I totally agree with you, @sassyblue. What would it take for an LEO to sit down with this woman for a few minutes, record her information, get a copy of the video, and maybe have a conversation with the person in the car. Maybe he did have some innocent reason for approaching her, but it also puts him on notice that the police know who he is and he might think twice about doing something like that again.

 

[DutchTreat]

I totally agree with you, @sassyblue. What would it take for an LEO to sit down with this woman for a few minutes, record her information, get a copy of the video, and maybe have a conversation with the person in the car. Maybe he did have some innocent reason for approaching her, but it also puts him on notice that the police know who he is and he might think twice about doing something like that again.

Yes.
Maybe there's video from these parking lots that have his licence plate.
And check TD's alibi for February 9.
This woman says she's convinced this was TD.

 

[indicolite22]

Yes.
Maybe there's video from these parking lots that have his licence plate.
And check TD's alibi for February 9.
This woman says she's convinced this was TD.

And she has his license plate on video, but didn't make it public. The police likely know who that man is if they looked him up.

 

[Emi]

Good morning everyone, marking my spot and is there a hearing today

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I questioned this (bolded) myself. Also he's said it was his girlfriends idea to go to Wal-Mart. What's the old saying, "If, it's and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas "? So tragic!!

I am amazed that the managers at Walmart let him view the footage. I was thinking there may be laws or rules, like only with a search warrant, or can only be provided to LE, etc. Thank God they let him!

 

[otto]

I do wonder - what if Naomi's brother did not go to Walmart on Monday morning to request access to security footage. Would police have eventually discovered the footage, or would it have been over-recorded and lost? Would her disappearance have been one of those very common scenarios that we hear about where someone simply vanishes and no one discovers what happened. Is that what happened with any potential earlier victims of Troy Driver?

Would the story be that Naomi wanted to experience life in the USA and ran away from her brother and family to do this? That's certainly one of the theories that was discussed earlier - that she staged her own kidnapping so she could life free from her family. Without the family's intervention and actions, this could have ended much differently.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I couldn't agree more.
The stalking/pursuing/forced encounters the young woman experienced in her car could be pre-offense behavior for TD. Didn't Ed Kemper practice taxiing college girls around to observe and learn before he ultimately decided to start killing them? I think Kevin Bennett behaved this way as well.

In addition,
Police departments have a history of not believing stalking victims. They don't understand what stalking is and there has been an epidemic of disbelief when women report these crimes. It causes secondary victimization when your report is not "believed".
I believe this woman, that she felt unsafe and intimidated by another person with their car. But more importantly for this case, she has video evidence of it taking place and it was not an event she created in her head. I think it should be investigated like any other tip in this case.

also golden state killer, he had a very clear progression. first he broke in and ransacked houses. her was prob stalking beforehand. then he progressed to stalking a woman alone or w a kid and rape and terrorizing. then he started raping women w their partner there. then he went on to rape and murder.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Good morning everyone, marking my spot and is there a hearing today

I believe the hearing is tomorrow (5th) and one for the 12th. Have not heard about any modifications to the schedule yet.

 

[Satchie]

I agree, and there are so many 'if's that I know her family and loved ones will play over and over, but probably none would have saved Naomi's life. I do want to comment on a couple of the 'if's posted here. Walmart was not yet open when Naomi was abducted, so security would not have been watching live cams. I do not know if it is standard procedure for them to review every minute of video from hours the store is not open, but even if it is, that would have taken some time to scan some 7 hours of video, By then, Naomi may well have already been far away, if not dead. Secondly, again, companies have procedures for reporting out from a work shift, and when Naomi did not show, I am sure it was noted, for future action. Her direct supervisor may have attempted to call her phone, but got no answer. That is as far as trying to track down an absent employee is going to go. Emergency contacts are for contacting if an employee is injured or has a medical emergency while at work, not for finding out why they are not at work, especially when the employee is an adult. Many times, an emergency contact may not even live with the person, they are just an immediate family member in close proximity to the work location. And finally, perhaps I am the only one who is, and I am thankful that they were, but I am very surprised that Walmart security allowed someone not affiliated with law enforcement to come in with a story, and allow them to sit and watch security video. Again, many things could have been, and should have been done more quickly, but even in one of your previous posts, you stated that most murders take place within 1-3 hours of abduction, and I do believe that is probably true. Perhaps some changes will be made to LE procedures, but I do not believe any perceived delays contributed to Naomi's death. JMO

I agree, returning again to the idea that this crime was not intended to be bungled, and the monster had anticipated all the things he needed to do, at least in the beginning, to accomplish what he intended.

(We don't know what mistake he made that lead to being caught, IMO it makes sense his planning about the end of the crime was not as careful as his plans to launch it).

IMO, it's a terrible thing what he did, but he is 100% responsible. It's not the case that he is only 98% responsible, and anyone else is 2%, etc. Psychopaths live among us, but this kind of attack is exceedingly rare. Nobody sane lives their lives assuming every highly improbable disaster is going to strike any minute.

JMO