NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[fasteddy4]

I don't know if he wore a watch; no one's ever mentioned it. Clocks in vehicles are notoriously wrong.
Phones are auto-synched, as are computers. If the security system was linked to a computer, the time should be pretty accurate. (IMO, someone as careful as Mr Security to have at least 7 security cameras, has the time synched pretty accurately.)

What makes sense to me, is that Steven sat in his car and checked his voicemails or even made a call, before he got out and started walking.

We really don't know. Really.

Clocks in cars are notoriously off. But many phones are not auto-synched. I had a regular phone through t-mobile and a Blackberry through AT&T. They were always a few minutes off. In fact, even when I tried to synch the Blackberry with the T-mobile, the Blackberry would eventually switch back. In fact, it wouldn't even change time zones when I would go back east.

As for computers, my Mac is five minutes ahead of Dell Laptop. And I don't think either of them is right on World Clock time.

All I am saying is that we have to give those camera clocks a bit of leeway. Probably a minute either way. And we still have no idea if Steven's clocks were on time or not. I think there is a bit more leeway in the "down to the second" timeframe than we think. We should not automatically think that because it is 30 seconds past noon on the clocks that he was going to be a minute late for whomever he was meeting. IF he was meeting someone, that is.

And we should not gauge the importance of that hypothetical meeting on the basis of two camera clocks that show him being a bit behind if he was headed to a noon meeting of some type on Evening Lights.

 

[fasteddy4]

You think so? If you take away the suicides, the cases I've been following recently show that men are also killed by people they knew -- although it's usually an (ahem) "business relationship" more than killed by a lover.



Really. I didn't know about her case, but had seen the reports of the body found in Pennsylvania.

I just had a heart-stopper a minute ago: a man's body has just been found in the Zion Narrows area of Zion NP. But what I didn't know, is that two men have been missing since yesterday, in that very area.

So that leaves motel man. And if motel man is an illegal or a suicide, we'll likely never find out anything more.

Only quoting what I have read before. Maybe I should have been more accurate in saying that women are most likely killed by someone close. . .boyfriend, husband, lover. Men. . .not so much.

 

[carbuff]

I think I saw in the threads that landlord contacted Steven's father as emergency contact. But not being able to be reached (SK's cell phone could be reached), two guys both not paying rent or utilities (and they didn't even like each other), and then the one leaving, the landlord claiming utilities in his name will be shut off, that's all very odd.

Maybe without rent mortgage couldn't be paid and place was going into foreclosure, in which case didn't matter if utiilities got turned off. Don't know. But concerning SK's aspect of it, laytonian's "downward spiral" about sums it up.

rd

The post with the rental information/behind on rent/hanging up on his father is here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV - Steven T Koecher, Missing Dec 13 Henderson

and here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #3

 

[laytonian]

The post with the rental information/behind on rent/hanging up on his father is here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV - Steven T Koecher, Missing Dec 13 Henderson

No matter how many times I read Post #440 (above), I find something new. And I just read through it an hour ago, looking for something else..and didn't catch the significance of the date.

"The second time I peeked into his room was just before he went missing. We stayed at the house overnight and I think it was the Monday of the 14th. We were on our way back to Orem and I again just wanted to make sure he hadn't up and moved out. This time his room looked cleaned up. The bed was made and the piles were gone/put away. Things looked neat and tidy but it still looked like everything was there and he was still living there."

(bbm)

 

[RubyRed]

Also this statement:

Jordan told me husband that we had no proof that he stold anything and my husband told him Steven had called us the day after the moved out wondering if the house was broken into because things were missing. Steven was a witness that things were taken.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV - Steven T Koecher, Missing Dec 13 Henderson

 

[laytonian]

Also this statement:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV - Steven T Koecher, Missing Dec 13 Henderson

That's the one I found (about Steven being the witness to the items which disappeared) and added to the timeline) previously. I can't believe I missed that "overlap", though.

I also found the statement about the neighbor not being able positively state that Steven didn't come back, more about the drugs ... AND I found the post about Z eating Steven's food and leftovers.

 

[Fairy1]

No matter how many times I read Post #440 (above), I find something new. And I just read through it an hour ago, looking for something else..and didn't catch the significance of the date.

"The second time I peeked into his room was just before he went missing. We stayed at the house overnight and I think it was the Monday of the 14th. We were on our way back to Orem and I again just wanted to make sure he hadn't up and moved out. This time his room looked cleaned up. The bed was made and the piles were gone/put away. Things looked neat and tidy but it still looked like everything was there and he was still living there."

(bbm)

This is interesting - I missed this too. I wonder if they were there that whole weekend...

 

[laytonian]

This is interesting - I missed this too. I wonder if they were there that whole weekend...

I dunno, but if they stopped overnight on their way home, they were going north -- so had been south? What's south? Just Mesquite, Overton/Logandale, Glendale and Vegas.

 

[Fairy1]

I dunno, but if they stopped overnight on their way home, they were going north -- so had been south? What's south? Just Mesquite, Overton/Logandale, Glendale and Vegas.

Yep. Sure would be interesting to know.

 

[RubyRed]

This is interesting - I missed this too. I wonder if they were there that whole weekend...

This sure is some interesting info, It pays to read back over posts.

 

[Fairy1]

This sure is some interesting info, It pays to read back over posts.

Sure does. If Steven came to harm there would, most likely, be motive and opportunity. Right?

 

[rd_jfc]

Why would someone use a pay phone?
Because it's untraceable.
You've never gone to a 7-11 or other C-store and seen a guys hanging around the phone? I think that's how many of them get their "directions".

I used a payphone about four years ago, when I locked my keys (and phone) in the car. There was a sign on the phone that told me how much to deposit. IIRC, it was 50-cents for three minutes.

well that's the part I was saying or expected LE to be examining his phone records and didn't want them to know about the call.

50 cents for three minutes to local land line. What about cell phones? Is a payphone call to any cell phone made for that amount or considered long distance, or what?

I did a bit of research on this in 2002 in Luray, VA and wrote about in chapter Luray. Condit called Anne Marie Smith's cell phone (who was in DC at the time). I don't know how much he put in, but when I tested calling my Ohio land line I believe it told me to put in a dollar. yep, checked chapter Luray and that's what it told me to put in. Don't know how long that covered, but I imagine the standard three minutes.

But the caller id of the pay phone showed up on Anne Marie's cell phone, and in answering the phone and talking to him she knew he was the one that made the phone call from a payphone.

Untraceable for all practical purposes though, yeah.

So, sure, a dollar or two for some illegal shenanigans phone call I guess SK could cover. In my opinion if reduced to that scenario, it might as well rest there for all the good any speculation after that does anyone, SK, or his family.

I can't see any basis for it other than we don't know why he went to Evening Lights Avenue in Henderson, parked, and walked away.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

I don't know if he wore a watch; no one's ever mentioned it. Clocks in vehicles are notoriously wrong.
Phones are auto-synched, as are computers. If the security system was linked to a computer, the time should be pretty accurate. (IMO, someone as careful as Mr Security to have at least 7 security cameras, has the time synched pretty accurately.)

What makes sense to me, is that Steven sat in his car and checked his voicemails or even made a call, before he got out and started walking.

We really don't know. Really.

We don't know, but of course the family does when they looked at the cell phone. Pretty important info, I would think (hope) something that critical is made known. I was thinking last call taken was from gw. Don't know if said what last call placed and when was.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

The post with the rental information/behind on rent/hanging up on his father is here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV - Steven T Koecher, Missing Dec 13 Henderson

and here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NV-Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson MSG 13 Dec 09 thread #3

wow, that was helpful, carbuff. They don't sound like they locked him out. In fact made suggestions as to where he may have spent night.

thanks

 

[rd_jfc]

No matter how many times I read Post #440 (above), I find something new. And I just read through it an hour ago, looking for something else..and didn't catch the significance of the date.

"The second time I peeked into his room was just before he went missing. We stayed at the house overnight and I think it was the Monday of the 14th. We were on our way back to Orem and I again just wanted to make sure he hadn't up and moved out. This time his room looked cleaned up. The bed was made and the piles were gone/put away. Things looked neat and tidy but it still looked like everything was there and he was still living there."

(bbm)

wonder what before he went missing means to her? as in just off by a couple of days, or only found out he was missing when car was found?

 

[dovebar]

The MySpace page name of one JZ is a reference originally from Frankenstein, and now lyrics by Metallica and another band, Militia.

OTOH, there is another JZ on the web with Sacramento as an alternate address.

 

[Sin City]

Good questions. Once I was on my own, my parents had a key to my apt for emergency sake (Get the pet), but never my auto. Of course they only lived 25 miles away too. Something "went wrong" with him along the way...As far as we know, he was ok with no problems when he was away at college. Just afterwards. I believe the one job as stringer was a full time, but I don't think he had an apt of his own. He lived with this parents, siblings, etc til his move to SG and then he just rented a room. Seems he was having a hard time even beginning to plant roots of his own.

I still want to know if the keys were locked in his car or if he had taken them with him....would seem to answer a basic question if he dumped the car...Why take the keys with him, if he was?

He could have been sent there by someone he knew from college or a friend from Salt Lake too. I'd like to know how involved he was with this volleyball league...Did he travel around on the week-ends and play in other areas like SG or Mesquite, etc. His only connections to the LV area that we know of would be his cousin, GW....and I have forgotten JZ before, but there was talk of him having relatives in LV and the discussion of him using SK's phone....if JZ was talking to someone or SK.

I was reminded of JZ using Steven's phone in hollyblue's post here. I'll try to find the original post where we received this information. Bare with me, as I think I'm going to have to go way back.

 

[believe09]

We don't know, but of course the family does when they looked at the cell phone. Pretty important info, I would think (hope) something that critical is made known. I was thinking last call taken was from gw. Don't know if said what last call placed and when was.

rd

I think the last call was from Seth Abboud at 11:10 or so according to the timeline.

 

[sbakker]

The MySpace page name of one JZ is a reference originally from Frankenstein, and now lyrics by Metallica and another band, Militia.

OTOH, there is another JZ on the web with Sacramento as an alternate address.

That is interesting, another JZ with Sacramento as an alternate address. Didn't Sk mention he might go to Sacramento to his friends parents when he went to visit them?

 

[carbuff]

well that's the part I was saying or expected LE to be examining his phone records and didn't want them to know about the call.

50 cents for three minutes to local land line. What about cell phones? Is a payphone call to any cell phone made for that amount or considered long distance, or what?

I did a bit of research on this in 2002 in Luray, VA and wrote about in chapter Luray. Condit called Anne Marie Smith's cell phone (who was in DC at the time). I don't know how much he put in, but when I tested calling my Ohio land line I believe it told me to put in a dollar. yep, checked chapter Luray and that's what it told me to put in. Don't know how long that covered, but I imagine the standard three minutes.

But the caller id of the pay phone showed up on Anne Marie's cell phone, and in answering the phone and talking to him she knew he was the one that made the phone call from a payphone.

Untraceable for all practical purposes though, yeah.

So, sure, a dollar or two for some illegal shenanigans phone call I guess SK could cover. In my opinion if reduced to that scenario, it might as well rest there for all the good any speculation after that does anyone, SK, or his family.

I can't see any basis for it other than we don't know why he went to Evening Lights Avenue in Henderson, parked, and walked away.

rd

I was thinking more along the lines of wanting to keep his parents out of it, being as he had just had that run-in over whether they were interfering in his life, rather than anything criminal. I only brought up the drug dealers as an example of how pay phones could work for you if you're looking for privacy.