GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[Hiandmighty]

According to the family's own story, that's exactly what she was doing.

Exactly. BM said they were combing the streets looking (and with a 9mm too)

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Another thing I was thinking about KK and Zach:
1) would they have any reason to set EN up?
2) are they reliable witnesses (for instance Zach didn't testify)..
3) both called crime stoppers, which is the reward until of LE (so to speak). Do they want reward money? Are they "junkies" (excuse me, but we don't know them....) motivated by money?
Of course I will assume that they are doing their civic duty as good citizens, and it may be KK testified because she had more complete information, but they say EN told them the story and then they waited until they found a news story that matches. But maybe they found a story that matched and then they filled in details of what EN would have said?

As far as I can tell they are the most credible witnesses out of anyone and I think they only smoke weed. I think they had to report it or else they may have been charged with a crime and I also think that's why they tried to get him out of their place as quickly as possible.

BTW, isn't Stan the one who called LE and had The guy arrested whose name is something like Jong...something)? There is a news article where the GF who was with this boy when arrested stated he did NOT threaten the man and son with a gun but had taken out his cell phone...

It could be that Stan, but it might not be

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yes, and I don't mean to suggest they are anything but pot smokers, which I have no problem with.

As I mentioned before, I am a witness to a crime (in addition to the meth head incident-- 2014 was eventful) and have done my civic duty as a witness and have aleady been to one hearing where based on my info, the case was upchaged to a felony. I'm awaiting my new supoena to see when I have to go again.

We are certainly out there-- people who do the right thing.

 

[SStarr33]

The comments on this story show exactly why the prosecution has a huge problem. The family is unlikeable and the majority of posters seem to perceive that TM was out for some vigilante justice.

She is perceived as the aggressor. (As much as one can establish from internet comments)

Reminds me of the GZ case. Exactly.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

So...... why did TM & BM set out to hunt for him? Why would TM have thought that a silver car sitting near the school was the same car that road-raged her earlier over on Durango or Westchase?

And TM is returning to the spot of 'unusual' activity that caused them to end the driving lessons and have TM get in the driver's seat.

 

[SStarr33]

Because the defense has PLENTY to work with and can fill in the holes with an entirely different story about how they Meyers were the aggressors who were out to get EN and that this incident frames in a much larger story of the M's threatening, intimidating and harassing EN to the point where he feared for his life, his mother's life and his one month old sister's life and since TM and BM hunted him down, he made a split second decision that it was him or them and in order to exit the cul de sac successfully, he would have to spray bullets so they could make the turn and leave.

Add into that fact that the Ms are unlikeable (by a lot and seem to have a lot to hide):


Hung jury, manslaughter, acquittal are on the table.

Um, no it isn't because the jury has to follow the law.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Reminds me of the GZ case. Exactly.

I didn't follow the GZ case. So which cast of characters is GZ?

 

[Hiandmighty]

Um, no it isn't because the jury has to follow the law.

They follow their conscience, the law, the instructions from the judge and there is always jury nullification (which granted likely doesn't apply here)... The jury always has an out if they reasonably don't want to convict.

 

[SStarr33]

I didn't follow the GZ case. So which cast of characters is GZ?

He's the guy who killed the kid who Obama said could be his son

 

[sonjay]

As far as I can tell they are the most credible witnesses out of anyone and I think they only smoke weed. I think they had to report it or else they may have been charged with a crime and I also think that's why they tried to get him out of their place as quickly as possible.

I believe ZA & KK to be very credible. I also believe that EN was truthful both in his conversation with ZA and KK, and in his statement to Mogg. The story as relayed by ZA & KK is so very similar to the story EN told Mogg, I think we can mostly take EN's statements as true. He probably got some of the details not quite right -- that's to be expected from anybody.

But the bare-bones facts as EN saw them? I tend to believe that he was telling the truth: i.e., he had gotten threats to himself, his mother and his baby sister; he was at the park; he saw the green car; he thought it was the people who were after him; he called his friend with the Audi; the green car chased them; he fired at the green car; he was shocked when they saw the green car pass by very close to EN's own house; they went into the cul de sac and he fired at a person at the car and at a person running from the car to the house. I believe those things happened.

EN, however, can't tell us what TM, KM & BM were doing or thinking prior to all of this. If there were driving lessons at the school, EN didn't recognize them as such when he saw the green car. If there was a road rage, EN wasn't present for it. If there was a spiky-haired dude, EN doesn't know him. EN doesn't know whether BM was in the house sleeping or playing xbox.

For those things, we have to rely on the words of known liars and on any physical evidence that might be available. Surveillance footage, phone & text records, any other witnesses, etc.

I'm convinced that we correctly know what EN saw, what he thought, and what he did.

I'm also convinced that the Meyerses are still not being truthful.

It could be that Stan, but it might not be

I'd bet money that it was that Stan -- but not very much.

 

[Hiandmighty]

He's the guy who killed the kid who Obama said could be his son

I mean who in the TM case is the GZ?

 

[SStarr33]

I mean who in the TM case is the GZ?

I was replying to your post where you said the Meyers were unlikable and talked about the comments on the story. GZ had those same type of comments made about him.

ETA, oh and everyone thought GZ was the aggressor.

 

[sonjay]

They follow their conscience, the law, the instructions from the judge and there is always jury nullification (which granted likely doesn't apply here)... The jury always has an out if they reasonably don't want to convict.

The law requires that the state prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. The law is that if the state fails to do so, the jury should find the defendant not guilty.

I hope the jury follows the law. It remains to be seen what the state will actually be able to prove.

 

[sonjay]

Exactly. BM said they were combing the streets looking (and with a 9mm too)

I suggest you do some reading on self-defense law in NV.

Does Nevada's self-defense law allow a woman and her son to take a gun and go hunting for a person that the mother was in a road rage incident with earlier?

Does Nevada's self-defense law allow that woman and her son to chase a person who was not involved in the earlier road rage incident?

I'm sure you don't mean to suggest that what TM & BM did was legal under Nevada's self-defense law.

 

[PaperDoll]

I've always thought it a possible all three M's were in the car for the whole event. And EN's testimony says that he saw "heads" in the plural inside the Buick at Mt. Shasta. There were heads in the car at the same time that someone with a beard was running out of the car.

Why would the Meyers lie about all 3 of them being in the car that night? To me that wouldn't make sense..

 

[sonjay]

Why would the Meyers lie about all 3 of them being in the car that night? To me that wouldn't make sense..

Because they wanted to paint it as an innocent driving lesson -- BM wouldn't be in the car while TM was giving KM driving lessons.

Remember, originally, the driving lesson and road rage story was the whole story. That's what they wanted us to believe had happened.

They wanted us to believe that there were driving lessons, then there was road rage, then the road rager followed TM & KM home and opened fire. They wanted us to believe that BM was innocently sleeping at home and that he came outside with his gun to return fire at the silver car as it left.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm convinced that we correctly know what EN saw, what he thought, and what he did.

What I'd like to get a sense of and what could be very revealing was how long was it between EN getting into the Audi and the Buick returning to be behind them at the school - was it 2 minutes or 20 minutes - and I'd hope there would be school CCTV footage to show that...not just for what the Buick was doing, but the timeframe in which it came and left the school area. Per the Meyers account it had to be have been at least like 20 minutes with going to the circuitous route to Durango until finally getting back home after the alleged road rage and then once BM got in the car also driving around some more before arriving back at the school, but with the way EN allegedly says it happened, it could have been much quicker than that.

 

[PaperDoll]

Because they wanted to paint it as an innocent driving lesson -- BM wouldn't be in the car while TM was giving KM driving lessons.

Remember, originally, the driving lesson and road rage story was the whole story. That's what they wanted us to believe had happened.

They wanted us to believe that there were driving lessons, then there was road rage, then the road rager followed TM & KM home and opened fire. They wanted us to believe that BM was innocently sleeping at home and that he came outside with his gun to return fire at the silver car as it left.

Ok so this still doesn't make sense to me.. lol sorry, I'm senseless when I think.. :blushing: So say there really wasn't a driving lesson going on, why would all 3 be in the car during both shootouts? If they all wanted to locate EN that night, they could have when he was in the park alone, that would have been a good time to take care of business..

 

[SStarr33]

What I'd like to get a sense of and what could be very revealing was how long was it between EN getting into the Audi and the Buick returning to be behind them at the school - was it 2 minutes or 20 minutes - and I'd hope there would be school CCTV footage to show that...not just for what the Buick was doing, but the timeframe in which it came and left the school area. Per the Meyers account it had to be have been at least like 20 minutes with going to the circuitous route to Durango until finally getting back home after the alleged road rage and then once BM got in the car also driving around some more before arriving back at the school, but with the way EN allegedly says it happened, it could have been much quicker than that.

No doubt the State has all that surveillance video ready to go and it will show the driving lessons.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Ok so this still doesn't make sense to me.. lol sorry, I'm senseless when I think.. :blushing: So say there really wasn't a driving lesson going on, why would all 3 be in the car during both shootouts? If they all wanted to locate EN that night, they could have when he was in the park alone, that would have been a good time to take care of business..

It would not surprise me if somewhere down the line it turns out RM Jr was involved somehow. MM was accounted for with him out on his birthday with his girlfriend, but I've not seen where RM Jr was even though KM says BM was in RM Jr's room. It could have been an unarmed TM/KM/RM Jr in the car, which KM then was replaced by an armed BM. For EN's confession to be believed, there was at least two people still in the car after BM got out of it.