GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[Miss Muffet]

There are many schools all over the place. But if EN started texting him from the park before the murder (which is what the story appears to be), then he would have been asking DA to pick him up near Johnson's middle school. Now, I presume police recovered these texts so they would know the time and what directions were given.

But we don't know where EN was located by the time DA relented.

 

[jjenny]

We don't know how long the texts went on before DA relented and went to get him. He says he was asleep when DA called at 11. Even if they only texted for 10 minutes, that's not enough time for him to get dressed and drive to the park in time for the first shooting. It's 12 minute drive from DA's house to the Johnson Middle School. The second shooting happened at 11:20. What time was the first shooting? 11:15? We don't know. But there's not even enough time for him to get there for the second shooting.

Right. Because it was 11 o'clock on the dot when he got that first text. I wonder what actual cell phone records show, as opposed to what he claims.

 

[jjenny]

But we don't know where EN was located by the time DA relented.

How did he know where to go pick him up? Is he suggesting that after he refused to pick him up the first time, EN contacted him again? Why would EN think he would agree this time, if he was sleeping the first time and refused to come. Are there any texts proving that EN contacted him again after the murder?

 

[Miss Muffet]

If that was by a different school, how did he get these new directions?

I just noticed you added this. I know where different schools are located for different school districts in my metro. If he didn't know the exact location, EN could certainly explain to him where he was at.

 

[jjenny]

I just noticed you added this. I know where different schools are located for different school districts in my metro. If he didn't know the exact location, EN could certainly explain to him where he was at.

Then there should be texts confirming all these, shouldn't there be?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Yes, I certainly think police presented DA with evidence (most likely trying to get him to talk) and he is trying to explain it away and is claiming police want to frame him (so his claim that this evidence is fake).

He doesn't actually claim the evidence is fake. He claimed that the evidence they have is being twisted - he's basically saying yes that he doesn't deny that he had called and texted EN and even given him a ride, just he didn't give him the ride during the shooting but instead gave him the ride after the shooting.

 

[Miss Muffet]

How did he know where to go pick him up? Is he suggesting that after he refused to pick him up the first time, EN contacted him again? Why would EN think he would agree this time, if he was sleeping the first time and refused to come.

He would know where to pick him up via EN telling him where to pick him up. He said there were texts before and after the phone call. He didn't say they were immediate. A significant lapse of time could cause DA to feel EN was truly stranded and couldn't get anyone else to pick him up as opposed to just being harassed within a short time period. One thing is clear, EN did send texts after the phone call so DA refusing to come didn't stop him from repeatedly asking for a ride.

 

[jjenny]

He would know where to pick him up via EN telling him where to pick him up. He said there were texts before and after the phone call. He didn't say they were immediate. A significant lapse of time could cause DA to feel EN was truly stranded and couldn't get anyone else to pick him up as opposed to just being harassed within a short time period. One thing is clear, EN did send texts after the phone call so DA refusing to come didn't stop him from repeatedly asking for a ride.

Right. Show me his cell phone records and if they match these claims, I will believe this story. There should have been calls/texts before the murder and some time after it, if his story is to be believed. I know that police arrested him despite having his phone records, so what does that tell me?

 

[Miss Muffet]

Then there should be texts confirming all these, shouldn't there be?

Or phone calls.

 

[jjenny]

Or phone calls.

Cell phone company would have exact times as to when these phone calls were made. Yet police still arrested him. So what does that tell you?

 

[Miss Muffet]

He doesn't actually claim the evidence is fake. He claimed that the evidence they have is being twisted - he's basically saying yes that he doesn't deny that he had called and texted EN and even given him a ride, just he didn't give him the ride during the shooting but instead gave him the ride after the shooting.

When you think about it, the shooting was a very brief period of time. It could have easily occurred and concluded while DA was on the way to pick EN up. EN did call multiple friends. One could have arrived sooner, went on a shooting spree with EN and then DA could have arrived after it was over. The shooting lasted just over 5 minutes for both shooting scenes together. 10 minutes tops. DA could have even arrived in the area right around the time of the Mt. Shasta shooting saying, "Where are you, dude? I'm here."

 

[SpanishInquisition]

How did he know where to go pick him up? Is he suggesting that after he refused to pick him up the first time, EN contacted him again?

Yes, that is what he's suggesting. That EN had asked him to come beforehand and he declined, but he relented the second time after the shooting had taken place.

Why would EN think he would agree this time, if he was sleeping the first time and refused to come. Are there any texts proving that EN contacted him again after the murder?

I don't know how you'd expect any of us to have access to Andrews' texts but as far as why EN would think that, Cameron Frye can explain: "He'll keep calling me, he'll keep calling me until I come over. He'll make me feel guilty. This is uh... This is ridiculous, ok I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go. What - I'LL GO." Also legally speaking it's not required for Andrews to prove he wasn't there, but instead it is up to the DA to prove he was beyond reasonable doubt, so even if the jurors think Andrews is a lying ex-con it doesn't mean the jury will think the DA has sustained its burden of proof.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I don't know how you'd expect any of us to have access to Andrews' texts...

You mean you don't??!?! I thought you did!!!

 

[Miss Muffet]

Cell phone company would have exact times as to when these phone calls were made. Yet police still arrested him. So what does that tell you?

It doesn't tell me Jack Squat.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, that is what he's suggesting. That EN had asked him to come beforehand and he declined, but he relented the second time after the shooting had taken place.



I don't know how you'd expect any of us to have access to Andrews' texts but as far as why EN would think that, Cameron Frye can explain: "He'll keep calling me, he'll keep calling me until I come over. He'll make me feel guilty. This is uh... This is ridiculous, ok I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go. What - I'LL GO." Also legally speaking it's not required for Andrews to prove he wasn't there, but instead it is up to the DA to prove he was beyond reasonable doubt, so even if the jurors think Andrews is a lying ex-con it doesn't mean the jury will think the DA has sustained its burden of proof.

Then it's very simple, really. EN would have to call/text him before and after the murder. Did he?

 

[jjenny]

You mean you don't??!?! I thought you did!!!

I know you don't have Jack Squat. But police do.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I know you don't have Jack Squat. But police do.

Things are not always as they appear. His phone call could be showing up at 11:15, and the police could think that's him arriving to pick up EN just before the shootings. Meanwhile an 11:15 phone call could be DA agreeing to get out of bed and leave his house to head out and pick up EN.

 

[jjenny]

When you think about it, the shooting was a very brief period of time. It could have easily occurred and concluded while DA was on the way to pick EN up. EN did call multiple friends. One could have arrived sooner, went on a shooting spree with EN and then DA could have arrived after it was over. The shooting lasted just over 5 minutes for both shooting scenes together. 10 minutes tops. DA could have even arrived in the area right around the time of the Mt. Shasta shooting saying, "Where are you, dude? I'm here."

So then based on this little story, the Driver delivered EN back to the exact same location where he picked him from?
Otherwise, how did DA find him?

 

[jjenny]

Things are not always as they appear. His phone call could be showing up at 11:15, and the police could think that's him arriving to pick up EN just before the shootings. Meanwhile an 11:15 phone call could be DA agreeing to get out of bed and leave his house to head out and pick up EN.

EN wouldn't need to be picked up at 11:15 because he was already picked up.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Four more minutes and the news is on again.