Match! NY - Caledonia, WhtFem 1UFNY, 13-19, Turquoise Necklace, Nov'79 *Tammy Alexander*

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I have a question about dates people are reported missing. How common is it that the dates are incorrect? Anyone know?

Now, I am asking the same question in my mind that I think LucyOso seems to have had earlier. Could she be one of the many missing children that was not reported as missing until after she was found. Maybe she was first classified as a runaway, or maybe she was not missed right away, for whatever reason. So perhaps the secret to her identity is in the listing of girls reported after she was found.

 

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Okay, so after reading through this again.......this time after I had a nap.......
Cali was seen the night before at a diner in Lima. Waitress can not recall anything else about her. Stomach contents showed she had ate.
Truckers said they saw her hitchhiking possibly towards Boston.....so she was apparently heading further inland.
Older posts says she had some dental work trained by someone outside of the US, later reports state no dental work.
Her pockets had been turned inside out after death, possibly to remove any type of identification. This would make one think her killer was linked to her in some fashion. Almost as if they feared that if her identity was known, LE would know to focus on them. (Just a theory)
She was shot in the back first. This would indicate to me she had turned to walk or run away from her killer.
The testing done on her teeth and the pollen tests on her clothing indicate she was raised in the SW region, most likely the sw region of California. Tan lines would indicate a warmer climate also.
The condition of her teeth indicates that she may have been on her own for awhile. They have changed her listing to 14-17 yrs of age. At first she was listed as 13-19? ( I think) Yet her estimated years of birth span 9 years. I notice on the missing sites it says she was found on 11/9/79......but the NAMUS site says 11/10/79? Is there 24 hours not accounted for, or is it just a typo that occurred on a update?
I would love to see some of these sites add a classification of formerly listed as a runaway. I'd also like to see states that still have any files classified as runaways list them on the missing persons websites. That would still leave so many not listed anywhere. Many states simply discarded the reports once the "runaway" turned of legal age.
Now that we are becoming more aware that some perverts keep their victims for years......especially in cases of pediphiles........could she have been abducted as a small child and then discarded when she became to old for her captive? Or perhaps instead of being "to old" she simply found a way to get free so she started out on her own?
So many possibilities............

 

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Snipped by me...A- is not a very common blood type. Interesting.

Frequency of A- is about 6% in the US rare in south west.

A tidbit from wikapedia


Blood group A is associated with high frequencies in Europe, especially in Scandinavia and Central Europe, although its highest frequencies occur in some Australian Aborigine populations and the Blackfoot Indians of Montana.[52][53]

 

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Now, I am asking the same question in my mind that I think LucyOso seems to have had earlier. Could she be one of the many missing children that was not reported as missing until after she was found. Maybe she was first classified as a runaway, or maybe she was not missed right away, for whatever reason. So perhaps the secret to her identity is in the listing of girls reported after she was found.

If she was reported subsequently we should be seeing her now. Although this did delay a match on another case I read about.

More likely she may have been like the third Cleveland woman. Reported as a runaway as a minior and the case was dropped / lost when she became 18 and it was just assumed that she was on her own.

 

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Okay, so after reading through this again.......this time after I had a nap.......
Cali was seen the night before at a diner in Lima. Waitress can not recall anything else about her. Stomach contents showed she had ate.
Truckers said they saw her hitchhiking possibly towards Boston.....so she was apparently heading further inland.
Older posts says she had some dental work trained by someone outside of the US, later reports state no dental work.
Her pockets had been turned inside out after death, possibly to remove any type of identification. This would make one think her killer was linked to her in some fashion. Almost as if they feared that if her identity was known, LE would know to focus on them. (Just a theory)
She was shot in the back first. This would indicate to me she had turned to walk or run away from her killer.
The testing done on her teeth and the pollen tests on her clothing indicate she was raised in the SW region, most likely the sw region of California. Tan lines would indicate a warmer climate also.
The condition of her teeth indicates that she may have been on her own for awhile. They have changed her listing to 14-17 yrs of age. At first she was listed as 13-19? ( I think) Yet her estimated years of birth span 9 years. I notice on the missing sites it says she was found on 11/9/79......but the NAMUS site says 11/10/79? Is there 24 hours not accounted for, or is it just a typo that occurred on a update?
I would love to see some of these sites add a classification of formerly listed as a runaway. I'd also like to see states that still have any files classified as runaways list them on the missing persons websites. That would still leave so many not listed anywhere. Many states simply discarded the reports once the "runaway" turned of legal age.
Now that we are becoming more aware that some perverts keep their victims for years......especially in cases of pediphiles........could she have been abducted as a small child and then discarded when she became to old for her captive? Or perhaps instead of being "to old" she simply found a way to get free so she started out on her own?
So many possibilities............

I am not sure how much stock to put in the waitresses report as there I not alot of detail. Lima is a few miles east and south so she was not headed to Boston directly although she may have been taken to this somewhat remote site against her will.

I think that she may have been on her own, based on the minimal medical care I that if her family was around they were not able to do much for her.

I am not clear what the motive to kill her would be as she could not have had much money.

 

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Below is a comparison of Davis and Cali -- Mostly from NamUs some from the Doe Network. I am not sure that the scars match up enough to say match.

I also notice that Cali has type A blood, which might help

CALI

Date found November 10, 1979 10:00
Minimum age 13 years
Maximum age 19 years
Race White
Weight (pounds) 120, Measured
Height (inches) 63, Measured
Dental Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete
-1/2" scar on forehead at the hairline
-1" scar on front left shoulder
-1/2" scar on outer left ankle
-tiny scar on left knee, right knee, top of right foot, right ankle, inner right thigh
-skin defect that is 3"x1" that resembles an old burn scar on inner right thigh
-Z shaped scar on right shin
-1/2" scar on left forearm
-3 small scars on left index finger
-small mole about 1.5" below outer corner of left eye
Both ears pierced once
Blood Type A Neg
Dentals: Available. She has some serious decay and tooth #14 was decayed to the extent that only three roots of the tooth were left. She had not had any dental care.
Fingerprints: Available. Her fingerprints were sent to FBI headquarters, but her prints weren't on file.

DAVIS

Date last seen June 21, 1979 02:00
Age last seen 17 to 17 years old
Race White
Height (inches) 62.0
Weight (pounds) 110.0

Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair - shoulder length, curly; brown eyes.
Height and Weight: 5'2"; 110 lbs
Scars: Scar on lower lip, birthmark on right wrist.
Medical: She was 4 months pregnant at the time of her disappearance.
Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Is this worth submitting? There are a few inconsistacies but nothing that I can see to definitively rule her out.

 

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http://www.nampn.org/cases/carrier_diane.html

http://www.nampn.org/cases/shea_kathleen.html

http://www.nampn.org/cases/gill_elizabeth.html

http://www.nampn.org/cases/prevost_diane.html
I know she was mentioned in a earlier post. Was she ever ruled out?

http://www.nampn.org/cases/elwell_judith.html

These are the very young girls I found missing between 1956 and 1969. I excluded children who had went missing with their mothers, but in hindsight.....if it was someone after the child, I probably should have listed them also.

I did not omit any child based on area last known, because just because a child is raised in a region......that does not mean they were not relocated there as a small child......am I correct on this assumption?

Someone way better on comparing will have to give me thoughts on these girls. I also did not omit any child by hair color. Many children with blonde hair at a young age has dark hair by teenage years.

I did not see any of these names on the list of rule outs for Cali on the NAMUS site.

 

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Is this worth submitting? There are a few inconsistacies but nothing that I can see to definitively rule her out.

Davis is not listed in her rule outs.....while several factors indicate they are not going to match......I see nothing that would indicate she should not be submitted.

I tried to look at Davises dental charting on NAMUS, but all I can see is that it says dentals are available? Has NAMUS removed us being able to see the dental charting or am I having a malfunction?

 

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I am not sure how much stock to put in the waitresses report as there I not alot of detail. Lima is a few miles east and south so she was not headed to Boston directly although she may have been taken to this somewhat remote site against her will.

I think that she may have been on her own, based on the minimal medical care I that if her family was around they were not able to do much for her.

I am not clear what the motive to kill her would be as she could not have had much money.

I agree on the waitress. I did not like the sketchiness of that report. It does not even say she actually ate at the diner, only that the waitress saw her.

She could have easily been taken to that location against her will. The fact that she was first shot in the back indicates to me an attempt to get away. I think the motive may have been that the killer had a direct link to her, and was afraid of what she might say. Which would also explain why he emptied her pockets. ( In cases like this I always think of Steven Steiner?(sp) I always see him in that police station saying I know my name is Steven.......) If the trucker was correct in his memory and she was headed to Boston, what was there that she was trying so hard to get to? Maybe her real family?

I know, several what if's and many maybe's.......but we were raised dirt poor.....and never saw a dentist, but yet...if we were in bad tooth pain we would at least get taken to the local ER.....you did not have to pay for services as soon as they were rendered back then......and I can recall having teeth removed in the actual ER back then.....I do not know if they called in a dental student......(which could also explain a dentist not being trained in the US) or if the ER doc pulled them.

 

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She has been ruled-out by default.

In a case this baffling, I don't think anyone should be ruled out by default. Look at Colleen Osborne. It took almost thirty years to get a match because the UID didn't appear to have any previously broken bones.

Oh, I am the one that entered Barbara Glueckert. I didn't say no DNA was available, although I picked that - I clarified I didn't know.

 

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Davis is not listed in her rule outs.....while several factors indicate they are not going to match......I see nothing that would indicate she should not be submitted.

I tried to look at Davises dental charting on NAMUS, but all I can see is that it says dentals are available? Has NAMUS removed us being able to see the dental charting or am I having a malfunction?

Namus has recently taken the dental charts off as well as some of the DNA details and has limited the number if cases that you can follow. Seems to be a permanent change.

 

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Namus has recently taken the dental charts off as well as some of the DNA details and has limited the number if cases that you can follow. Seems to be a permanent change.


To me it makes no sense to make matching people even harder. A simple look at Davises dentals could tell us if she is a rule out.

 

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Agree completely. It guess that this is some kind of privacy issue. But there is also an element of law enforcement that wants to do it on their own. Don't know which force is at work on this. I can raise it with someone at name us that I have recently been in contact with and see.

 

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I agree on the waitress. I did not like the sketchiness of that report. It does not even say she actually ate at the diner, only that the waitress saw her.

She could have easily been taken to that location against her will. The fact that she was first shot in the back indicates to me an attempt to get away. I think the motive may have been that the killer had a direct link to her, and was afraid of what she might say. Which would also explain why he emptied her pockets. ( In cases like this I always think of Steven Steiner?(sp) I always see him in that police station saying I know my name is Steven.......) If the trucker was correct in his memory and she was headed to Boston, what was there that she was trying so hard to get to? Maybe her real family?

I know, several what if's and many maybe's.......but we were raised dirt poor.....and never saw a dentist, but yet...if we were in bad tooth pain we would at least get taken to the local ER.....you did not have to pay for services as soon as they were rendered back then......and I can recall having teeth removed in the actual ER back then.....I do not know if they called in a dental student......(which could also explain a dentist not being trained in the US) or if the ER doc pulled them.

One of the compelling aspects of this case is that it seems that not only was her family lacking resources - it seems that they were not functioning in any reasonable way -- such as finding a dental clinic or ER or potentially even looking for her. It seems that Cali barely had a chance and yet it seems that she was resourceful and tried.

 

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Agree completely. It guess that this is some kind of privacy issue. But there is also an element of law enforcement that wants to do it on their own. Don't know which force is at work on this. I can raise it with someone at name us that I have recently been in contact with and see.

I think that would be great. Dentals help in so many of the cases.

 

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I am not sure how much stock to put in the waitresses report as there I not alot of detail. Lima is a few miles east and south so she was not headed to Boston directly although she may have been taken to this somewhat remote site against her will.

I think that she may have been on her own, based on the minimal medical care I that if her family was around they were not able to do much for her.

I am not clear what the motive to kill her would be as she could not have had much money.

Boston, NY or Boston MA? Boston NY is in Erie County, by Buffalo. I think the motive for the shooting may have been the perp thought Cali stole from him/her- hence the out-turned pockets.

 

[CarlK90245]

:bump: for revision to my facial reconstruction of Cali:

 

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Thank You. I love the reconstructions you draw!! Can you please answer the burning question, are we permitted to discuss people who are not listed on one of the sites as missing, but perhaps are missing?

 

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Boston, NY or Boston MA? Boston NY is in Erie County, by Buffalo. I think the motive for the shooting may have been the perp thought Cali stole from him/her- hence the out-turned pockets.

I did not know there was a Boston NY. Is where she was found a possible route to there from where she was last seen?

I am curious as to how they know for sure the pockets were turned out after she was killed?

I remember things were so much different back then. Kids hitchhiked all over the place. It was safer getting into cars with strangers, or so people thought. Truckers were known for picking up hitchhikers, and often even buying them a meal. My dad was an over the road driver, and he used to say if you ever break down or needed help always trust the truckers.

Something else that strikes me as odd, whoever killed her drug her into the cornfield to shot her the second time......but did not really make any real effort to hide her body.

 

[CarlK90245]

Thank You. I love the reconstructions you draw!! Can you please answer the burning question, are we permitted to discuss people who are not listed on one of the sites as missing, but perhaps are missing?

If they are reported missing, yes. If just speculation, probably not.