GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[KristinSchmistin]

I have the link for the tax lookup site for that county on my laptop, and I'm out right now but I can get it later for
You or you can dig through my posts to the beginning of the first post on this and there is a tax link and you can change the info and look it up


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'd also like to thank Ontario Mom for bringing this story to Websleuths. :tyou: :yourock: This is such an interesting case because the children are safe and sound and we have the perps to examine under the microscope. Indeed a rarity in this day and age! Thanks again OM! :canada: rocks!

Ain't that the truth ?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'd also like to thank Ontario Mom for bringing this story to Websleuths. :tyou: :yourock: This is such an interesting case because the children are safe and sound and we have the perps to examine under the microscope. Indeed a rarity in this day and age! Thanks again OM! :canada: rocks!

I just have to say, while I appreciate the determination and dedication everyone here has, there was some kind of mixup for me being credited for bringing this case to the the forum. It wasn't me (I don't really know how to do that) but it was someone else who has a HUGE heart for missing kids. While I've been lurking here for several years, and only recently participating, I still have a hard time finding my way around.

 

[lern2fli]

http://tinyurl.com/m6ukag2 (edited link, original wouldn't post)

Some strange car was following Stinson while he drove the girls home. Will be interesting to see if this was the same friend of SH who lives close by.

 

[Ontario Mom]

All I really did was edit the sketch to make the older sister look more like a 12 yr old girl than a 20 year old male with a five o'clock shadow. I always feel like my hands are tied whenever I read these kinds of threads so it was the least I could do at the time.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I lived in the country here in ON for nearly 12 years and while uncommon, every once in a while you do get a bumper-rider jerk. However, in that area, considering it was NOT random, remote locale, it's very interesting the Stinsons had a bumper-rider.

I have a feeling there will be many, many more arrests/charges in this case.

 

[Dion]

BBM- totally agree. I feel like they are "amish friendly" and probably called the police to notify, and explain that the girls seemed traumatized- the parents who were probably w police said "yeah yeah bring them over we'll meet you or escort, etc" and that's probably how it went down. The amish do not have a lot of involvement with the police. It probably would have terrified the girls if they weren't familiar with LE, KWIM?

It's not uncommon to do something like that- especially since the police escorted them part-way. It's a good little drive on those roads so I can totally see it happening that way. Also- in theory IF they were the kidnappers (which they aren't obviously) they would be literally driving right to the police- and likely wouldn't call the police and let them know the girls came to their house.

The Stinsons said they were getting a lot of flack for not calling the police, so I take it that they just drove the children home, because that's where they wanted to go. In hindsight maybe they should have done things differently, as this was such a serious crime, that LE should have been called to their home. But they acted with good intentions.

 

[blue22]

The Stinsons said they were getting a lot of flack for not calling the police, so I take it that they just drove the children home, because that's where they wanted to go. In hindsight maybe they should have done things differently, as this was such a serious crime, that LE should have been called to their home. But they acted with good intentions.

I agree. I think they had terrified and confused little girls who were cold, hungry, and wanted home. I don't fault them for just getting them home, but I understand where LE is coming from.
There intentions seemed to be pure of heart.

 

[Abigail]

http://tinyurl.com/m6ukag2 (edited link, original wouldn't post)

Some strange car was following Stinson while he drove the girls home. Will be interesting to see if this was the same friend of SH who lives close by.

Oh wow! What a scary story! Maybe this link will work better. http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140825/NEWS05/140829307

OK, Kristin, getting back to my question about how to get from the Stinsons to the Millers -- it obviously wouldn't have taken then past the Howells' residence. But SH has a very close friend who lives less than a mile up the road from the Stinsons -- on Dekalb Junction-Richville Road (33/18). So, I was wondering if the Stinsons happened to take that route to the Millers -- they could have taken that road to 112/19, turned left, then turned left again on 11/33 and hooked up with 812. (Or they could have turned right on 11/33 and then turned left on 17 and taken that to 812). If they had taken that route (Dekalb Junction-Richville Road), they'd have gone right past the house where SH's friend lives. SH may have parked there. That would have been a very likely spot for the girls to see SH and the red car.

This cream-colored cadillac also makes me wonder -- apparently there was someone else involved. It would be interesting to know when that car started following them. If it were just on 812, that wouldn't mean a lot -- just some jerk riding their bumper. But if the car started following BEFORE they got on 812 -- that would be super scary. Do you guys remember on the night the girls were returned, the media was reporting two men? That could have been a mistake on the part of the media, but maybe it wasn't. What if another guy was in the car with SH and the girls, to help control them, while NV drove on ahead to scout out road blocks? With the drop off spot being less than a mile from a certain friend's residence, they could have let the girls out there, then run the friend home. And then, what if the friend had second thoughts about leaving the girls there -- afraid they'd ID him (or SH or NV which would lead back to him). Maybe he decided to drive back and capture the girls again, or even to kill them.

 

[sophiebelle]

They should ask the female perp if anybody else knew. She came right out spilling the beans, and getting her story together. She could rat the other person (s) out and get a restraining order on them as well! She could say an entire group made her help kidnap these children. Sickos!

 

[dawn929]

I agree. I think they had terrified and confused little girls who were cold, hungry, and wanted home. I don't fault them for just getting them home, but I understand where LE is coming from.
There intentions seemed to be pure of heart.

Somewhere along the way, among the multitudes of news articles, I remember the Stinsons saying that because the girls walked to their door they were concerned the kidnappers were still in the area and didn't want a police scene at their house. I remember him seeming concerned that the kidnappers would get spooked and go on the run or go on the attack with the girls there.

 

[Inthedetails]

http://tinyurl.com/m6ukag2 (edited link, original wouldn't post)

Some strange car was following Stinson while he drove the girls home. Will be interesting to see if this was the same friend of SH who lives close by.

Great article - gives some support to the suspicion that more people were involved. The Stinsons seem like nice people with good intentions, though I can't help but wonder how LE feels about them sharing the details about the cream-colored Cadillac with the press. I'm guessing LE would prefer to provide information to the public themselves.

The detail is a good clue, if it's not just a random tailgater.

If this is indeed a "ring," I hope it is brought down in its entirety.

FWIW, the link to the article didn't work for me, but I found it on the main page of the newspaper's website.

JMO.

 

[Abigail]

They should ask the female perp if anybody else knew. She came right out spilling the beans, and getting her story together. She could rat the other person (s) out and get a restraining order on them as well! She could say an entire group made her help kidnap these children. Sickos!

She (and SH, who also did give a statement) may have been careful what they did share to avoid more charges than what they already knew were coming. For instance, if they were part of a child sex ring, or were intending to sell the girls or whatever. If they ratted out their friend, he may have given more details.

My mind keeps wandering back to a statement SH made on his FB before it got shut down. He shared a posting that he said was from a "former student." I can't imagine a nurse having students, unless perhaps he taught nursing school at some point. So...what sort of students would he have had? I did notice that one of the "visitors" to "Steve's Place" appears to be underage -- and that young man mentions meeting an "amaising girl" at "Steve's Place." Could SH have been hosting parties for underage teens? And "teaching" them something?

 

[Inthedetails]

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With the drop off spot being less than a mile from a certain friend's residence, they could have let the girls out there, then run the friend home. And then, what if the friend had second thoughts about leaving the girls there -- afraid they'd ID him (or SH or NV which would lead back to him). Maybe he decided to drive back and capture the girls again, or even to kill them.

Just thinking aloud here...maybe the plan was to drop off the girls and then the friend would "find" them in the woods and spin a story that they must have been there all along. (What's with the detail that the girls were wet??)

Nothing (so far) leads me to think any of these people are killers. Their plan was sick from the beginning and incredibly selfish and cruel, but I'm not getting a murder vibe. I think they never thought beyond the sick thrill of capture and confinement.

If the girls were indeed instructed, as reported, to run into the woods but they defied to comply and instead ran for a house, well....HOORAY for them!! I'm really proud of these girls.

JMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

She (and SH, who also did give a statement) may have been careful what they did share to avoid more charges than what they already knew were coming. For instance, if they were part of a child sex ring, or were intending to sell the girls or whatever. If they ratted out their friend, he may have given more details.

My mind keeps wandering back to a statement SH made on his FB before it got shut down. He shared a posting that he said was from a "former student." I can't imagine a nurse having students, unless perhaps he taught nursing school at some point. So...what sort of students would he have had? I did notice that one of the "visitors" to "Steve's Place" appears to be underage -- and that young man mentions meeting an "amaising girl" at "Steve's Place." Could SH have been hosting parties for underage teens? And "teaching" them something?

BBM

I could be mistaken, but I *think* that post was something he shared - the original post was made by someone else about that someone else's student, not SH's student. I don't even remember what the post was about, however, so my memory might not be trustworthy. I *think* the post was something being passed around, like things do on FB. I could be entirely wrong.

 

[Abigail]

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Just thinking aloud here...maybe the plan was to drop off the girls and then the friend would "find" them in the woods and spin a story that they must have been there all along. (What's with the detail that the girls were wet??)

Nothing (so far) leads me to think any of these people are killers. Their plan was sick from the beginning and incredibly selfish and cruel, but I'm not getting a murder vibe. I think they never thought beyond the sick thrill of capture and confinement.

If the girls were indeed instructed, as reported, to run into the woods but they defied to comply and instead ran for a house, well....HOORAY for them!! I'm really proud of these girls.

JMO.

Good catch! I hadn't thought about the "wet" part. I do remember it was cool on the day the girls were released, so that would explain the "cold" part. But was it rainy? Will have to go look that up.
The Stinsons said the younger girl was shaking uncontrollably. That could have been from being cold and wet, or from shock and trauma. But that could also have been from whatever drugs may have been given her.

ETA: Weather for August 14 (Watertown) was .2" precipitation, high of 63, low of 59 http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

 

[Abigail]

BBM

I could be mistaken, but I *think* that post was something he shared - the original post was made by someone else about that someone else's student, not SH's student. I don't even remember what the post was about, however, so my memory might not be trustworthy. I *think* the post was something being passed around, like things do on FB. I could be entirely wrong.

Hmmm...that might be true. I do that I remember commenting on it way back on the first thread, just after he was arrested. Will go back and find my comment to see if it gives any clues. It was one of those things that gets shared, but can't remember what it was either.

ETA: ok, went back to this page on thread #1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...velton-13-August-2014&p=10864294#post10864294

And all I said was, Something that caught me eye on one of his FB postings is that he shared a posting from "one of his former students"

But in this posting, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...velton-13-August-2014&p=10862948#post10862948

I said, "He describes himself a "prank-Ninja," and appears to have been a teacher of some sort, and more recently a senior caregiver."
This was posted within an hour of his arrest, so the media hadn't yet posted many details about the couple, and I believe this was what I was scoping out on his FB page (darn -- so wish I'd done some screen shots!). So, not sure if I just surmised the teacher part from his comment about "a former student" or if there was something else. Obviously, I was also wrong about the senior caregiver (I hope), since he was actually working in wound care. Now, how in the world did I come up with senior caregiver?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://tinyurl.com/m6ukag2 (edited link, original wouldn't post)

Some strange car was following Stinson while he drove the girls home. Will be interesting to see if this was the same friend of SH who lives close by.

This car that followed the Stinsons home while they were driving the girls home has me very curious...

:websleuther:

 

[Bootsctr]

This car that followed the Stinsons home while they were driving the girls home has me very curious...

:websleuther:

Yeah me too! And scared! Maybe they were PO'd at the Stinsons and wanted the girls back. Sounds as if SH was going to pass them off to someone else - MAYBE! My imagination could be working overtime. I believe the 12 y/o mother's instinct kicked in and she had the wherewithal to NOT do what the kidnappers told them to do and run into the woods, but instead went to a house. Smart girl! I hope the Stinsons are watching their backs. Especially if there is someone suspicious in their neighborhood - I'd be doing double-takes and getting a big dog and locking doors, posting alarm signs, etc. al. This is a very strange case! :twocents: If I had a child or children I would be afraid to let them outside right now until we know more about these two creepers and whom else they are involved with locally. :escape:

 

[Bootsctr]

All I really did was edit the sketch to make the older sister look more like a 12 yr old girl than a 20 year old male with a five o'clock shadow. I always feel like my hands are tied whenever I read these kinds of threads so it was the least I could do at the time.

You did that? That's amazing! Thank you. You did help in a big way!