GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[Abigail]

Ok I'm not seeing 33/18 rt anywhere on their travels but it also looks like on google maps directions routing from the stinsons to millers , all three routes cross rt 11 (which looks like dekalb junction Richville road) check out the pic- I bet it is the hi lighted route that I speculated before bc it puts them on 11 for a little ways (longer than the other route which is the longest anyway and unlikely IMO) - can you get me the address of friend so I can add it to our map?

Sent from my not so humble opinion.

If you look at your original map (the one with the numbers for important places, and zoom way in on #6 (Stinsons), you will see Dekalb Junction - Richville road (it's marked Co Rd 18 on google maps) just above their house (not 11 -- a smaller road) -- it looks like all 3 of your potential routes go right down it. So...it's entirely possible that SH was parked at his friend's house when the Stinsons passed by with the girls.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Nooooooo! lmbo! Are you kidding? I just let my black lab in and Oh my! She has found something to roll in because yep she too smells like a$$ too. We killed a HUGE chicken snake that has been eating my eggs all summer. Moth balls ran him off for a bit, but I finally got him night before last. Hung him upside down belly up because that's supposed to make it rain, but I think the dog found him and drug him off the barbed wire. She cannot stay inside tonight! By the way she's acting you would think she had doused herself in Chanel No 5. My eyes are watering....... Gag!

BTW, *awesome* map! Love it.

Lol the map was really easy to make and screenshot on my phone w the maps app. It's not what I would consider one my *awesome* things

I would die if my wolf did that. Die. There's some huge woodchuck living under our deck that she tries to get at every time she's out back. The other day I heard scrapping - she was growling and tearing at the edge of the deck with her paws. She somehow broke through the wood there (it's pressure treated 2x4! And pretty new, too) - and I heard her snap, growl, yelp, growl again. She got into a fight with it! She got a tiny scratch on her nose and was covered in mud. I had to lure her away from that pest with an entire tub of peanut butter while physically dragging her by the scruff.

Which was stupid. I could have gotten hurt in the mix. I should have let my h deal w it but I was pissed bc she was loud. And I didn't want her to wake the baby. Ha. Priorities!


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I guess this winner of a human being discovered just how awesome he actually was. I suspect he'll be reminded of it often, once he's carted off to prison for many years. No doubt, his fellow inmates will help him remember how "awesome" he really is/was.

He's gonna end up being someone's slave in there- which will be his worst nightmare realized. Bc he's a self proclaimed master... I wonder what a mind that will be.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

If you look at your original map (the one with the numbers for important places, and zoom way in on #6 (Stinsons), you will see Dekalb Junction - Richville road (it's marked Co Rd 18 on google maps) just above their house (not 11 -- a smaller road) -- it looks like all 3 of your potential routes go right down it. So...it's entirely possible that SH was parked at his friend's house when the Stinsons passed by with the girls.

Ok I had the wrong google map... So sorry! I updated My post w the correct one.. Do me a fav and delete the one in your quoted post so noone gets confused? So sorry!


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[Abigail]

I agree. It sure sounds like they have samples to verify...ugh that makes me sick to even think about. I'm just
surprised that it won't go before the judge until the 10th, it seems so long to wait for something that could be so important.

Makes me sick too -- those poor darling girls.

I think it takes a little while to get full DNA results back. I found this interesting article that explains the process and about how long each step takes (and that's not even taking into consideration if the analyst has other jobs ahead of this one).

ETA: http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtm :bedtime:

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Makes me sick too -- those poor darling girls.

I think it takes a little while to get full DNA results back. I found this interesting article that explains the process and about how long each step takes (and that's not even taking into consideration if the analyst has other jobs ahead of this one).

ETA: http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtm :bedtime:

good article! I'll be willing to bet that they are sending it off to some of the really high tech and huge labs near atlanta where I had my labs sent when I was pg with my son - what my docs were looking for was not full dna- just different chromosomal things. But at any rate- these labs are crazy and have people working around the clock running the clean rooms, lab equipment, etc. I'd be willing to bet they can get them back within a week or two timeframe if need be. Maybe even quicker.

We have an awesome crime lab here in Roc, but still I am pretty sure stuff like DNA is sent off bc there are certain procedures that need to be followed and a clean room environment with all of the equipment they need to extract dna is pretty insane. And you'd want specifically a geneticist (? is that the term? a dr of genetics?) reviewing it.... IMO. Guesses. It seems like it would need to be super official since its such a big deal.

Why are they asking for DNA? To compare to other possible victims? Other crimes that have happened that are unsolved? The article said "elimination purposes" but... what are they looking for- to see if there was a third person? Or if these two were involved in.... (speculation)

 

[Abigail]

Ok I had the wrong google map... So sorry! I updated My post w the correct one.. Do me a fav and delete the one in your quoted post so noone gets confused? So sorry!


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

oops! didn't see this post til this morning, and now I can't edit yesterday's post. At any rate, your new map shows heading through Richville as the quickest route, but the two other alternate routes (personally I'd take the middle one, which is a bit more direct and takes only 3 min. longer) do go down Co. Rd. 18, which is where I'd bet that SH was parked.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

oops! didn't see this post til this morning, and now I can't edit yesterday's post. At any rate, your new map shows heading through Richville as the quickest route, but the two other alternate routes (personally I'd take the middle one, which is a bit more direct and takes only 3 min. longer) do go down Co. Rd. 18, which is where I'd bet that SH was parked.

[modsnip] I agree that is the route they took. It makes sense.

 

[Abigail]

good article! I'll be willing to bet that they are sending it off to some of the really high tech and huge labs near atlanta where I had my labs sent when I was pg with my son - what my docs were looking for was not full dna- just different chromosomal things. But at any rate- these labs are crazy and have people working around the clock running the clean rooms, lab equipment, etc. I'd be willing to bet they can get them back within a week or two timeframe if need be. Maybe even quicker.

We have an awesome crime lab here in Roc, but still I am pretty sure stuff like DNA is sent off bc there are certain procedures that need to be followed and a clean room environment with all of the equipment they need to extract dna is pretty insane. And you'd want specifically a geneticist (? is that the term? a dr of genetics?) reviewing it.... IMO. Guesses. It seems like it would need to be super official since its such a big deal.

Why are they asking for DNA? To compare to other possible victims? Other crimes that have happened that are unsolved? The article said "elimination purposes" but... what are they looking for- to see if there was a third person? Or if these two were involved in.... (speculation)

OK, checked w/ hubby on that (he's in Pathology at URMC). He said they'd most likely be doing a basic DNA profile, and that from up there in the north country, it could be sent to Albany, Syracuse or Rochester (he thinks Watertown and Plattsburgh probably wouldn't have that sort of lab). He said that for what they're doing, it wouldn't require a special geneticist and such -- they probably just need the basic profile (to ID the perps).

URMC in Rochester has a great lab, but extremely busy. And hubby says they're a bit shorthanded at the moment.

"Elimination" might mean they want to discover if anyone other than SH and NV were involved in harming these little girls, and also, as you brought up, they might want to see if this pair were involved in other unsolved cases.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

OK, checked w/ hubby on that (he's in Pathology at URMC). He said they'd most likely be doing a basic DNA profile, and that from up there in the north country, it could be sent to Albany, Syracuse or Rochester (he thinks Watertown and Plattsburgh probably wouldn't have that sort of lab). He said that for what they're doing, it wouldn't require a special geneticist and such -- they probably just need the basic profile (to ID the perps).

URMC in Rochester has a great lab, but extremely busy. And hubby says they're a bit shorthanded at the moment.

"Elimination" might mean they want to discover if anyone other than SH and NV were involved in harming these little girls, and also, as you brought up, they might want to see if this pair were involved in other unsolved cases.

Oh yeah, watertown will not have much :sad trombone: unfortunately the healthcare up in the north country is awful.

URMC however is amazing. I wonder if they'll send it there.... I bet my lab work got sent to a lab in ATL bc it was a very new and complex test that just came out in the past couple years. The test was specific to that company and the lab they used so that explalins it.

That's cool your hubby is in pathology. Great field.

 

[atthelake]

http://tinyurl.com/m6ukag2 (edited link, original wouldn't post)

Some strange car was following Stinson while he drove the girls home. Will be interesting to see if this was the same friend of SH who lives close by.

The link doesn't work for me, can you paraphrase what it says? :giggle: about 10 different cut/pastes will also get around the 10% rule to have the complete article

ETA: As I continued scrolling, found that this one works... http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140825/NEWS05/140829307 Good follow-up story, thanks for posting it

 

[dawn929]

Makes me sick too -- those poor darling girls.

I think it takes a little while to get full DNA results back. I found this interesting article that explains the process and about how long each step takes (and that's not even taking into consideration if the analyst has other jobs ahead of this one).

ETA: http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtm :bedtime:

"A hearing has been scheduled for Sept. 10 after St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain filed a motion seeking to have DNA samples submitted by the Hermon couple"

It just seems to me that this hearing is something they would want to be a priority in the courts and waiting 2 weeks for it seems odd to me...ok, maybe I'm just impatient but if they are looking for other perps then I would think they would want this information ASAP.

 

[human]

This is worth watching. Please share

http://www.thisblewmymind.com/my-dirty-little-secret-a-powerful-confession/#_

 

[SilkySifaka]

"A hearing has been scheduled for Sept. 10 after St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain filed a motion seeking to have DNA samples submitted by the Hermon couple"

It just seems to me that this hearing is something they would want to be a priority in the courts and waiting 2 weeks for it seems odd to me...ok, maybe I'm just impatient but if they are looking for other perps then I would think they would want this information ASAP.

I don't think they are looking for other perps. Kink may be popular but assaulting children is not so i don't assume they met with any like minded creep. I think LE would be looking to hurry it up, normally you can get a warrant in a day for DNA if they thought there was someone else out there currently assaulting children. So my guess is unsolved cases.

 

[human]

Maybe they drugged other kids who could not remember

 

[blue22]

I don't think they are looking for other perps. Kink may be popular but assaulting children is not so i don't assume they met with any like minded creep. I think LE would be looking to hurry it up, normally you can get a warrant in a day for DNA if they thought there was someone else out there currently assaulting children. So my guess is unsolved cases.

I think you might not be aware of the child sexual abuse statistics. It's very, very common. Trying to exploit children by using the internet is very, very common. Viewing child is rampant and governments are unable to even scratch the surface. If they are putting it out there that they will have children to assault...there will be A LOT of people who would inquire about that.

If they were recording their assaults, you better believe LE wants to know who was potentially viewing, and who the perps were recording for...and they will work to find out if there are additional perps...or potential additional perps that just didn't have the time, because the girls were found.

 

[Sillybilly]

I think you might not be aware of the child sexual abuse statistics. It's very, very common. Trying to exploit children by using the internet is very, very common. Viewing child is rampant and governments are unable to even scratch the surface. If they are putting it out there that they will have children to assault...there will be A LOT of people who would inquire about that.

If they were recording their assaults, you better believe LE wants to know who was potentially viewing, and who the perps were recording for...and they will work to find out if there are additional perps...or potential additional perps that just didn't have the time, because the girls were found.

ITA blue. I'd be interested in knowing if the perps had an online payment method for viewing. IF so, that could have a real domino effect in bringing down a lot of kiddy creeps.

 

[Abigail]

I think you might not be aware of the child sexual abuse statistics. It's very, very common. Trying to exploit children by using the internet is very, very common. Viewing child is rampant and governments are unable to even scratch the surface. If they are putting it out there that they will have children to assault...there will be A LOT of people who would inquire about that.

If they were recording their assaults, you better believe LE wants to know who was potentially viewing, and who the perps were recording for...and they will work to find out if there are additional perps...or potential additional perps that just didn't have the time, because the girls were found.

You're absolutely right that it's common, and the travesty is that most child molesters and child viewers/promoters are given nothing more than a slap on the wrist -- at least here in upstate NY. In my zip code there are currently 9 sex offenders on the registry, 7 of whom are child sex offenders:
1) Child sex offender #1 - assaulted a 13 year old (when he was 24) - got probation only
2) Child sex offender #2 - child - 30 months in prison
3) Child sex offender #3 - sexually abused a 5 year old child (multiple times) - 5 months jail
4) Child sex offenders #4 & 5 - (two woman, btw) - sexually abused a 4 year old child, tried to traffic child, deviate sex w/ child - 42 months state prison
5) Child sex offender #6 - sexually abused a 4 year old (he was in a position of authority over her) - 8 years prison (arrested & convicted in Texas)
6) Child sex offender #7 - assaulted a 14 year old (when he was 37) - probation only

 

[Ontario Mom]

ITA blue. I'd be interested in knowing if the perps had an online payment method for viewing. IF so, that could have a real domino effect in bringing down a lot of kiddy creeps.

If they were creating videos or recording live streaming events (notice how I'm carefully wording that?) for sale, then yes, they had some kind of electronic payment method and the records of that and whatever accounts/passwords they used to collect payment will be on their hard drive(s).

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Yeah, Uhm, they found recording equipment. They weren't just making home movies over there. There are definitely more- victims and perps. Who knows how far it's spread at this point- anyone who views any hypothetical material put on the internet becomes a perp. And then if they did put it online or it was distributed across state lines? It's federal and jail time goes WAY up.

I am scared to think of the potential. I hope to god it's not bigger than this. But my gut feeling is yes. It is.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.