GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[Ontario Mom]

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You mean like this, from today's news headlines:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...onvicted-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges-article-1.1918467

"Timothy DeFoggi, who had been the lead IT specialist at the Department of Health and Human Services, was found guilty Tuesday for accessing and viewing child , and discussing his fantasies — which included the rape and murder of children — on message boards."

ETA: He was top-security level working on cyber security.

Yep, exactly like that. We all hear about it every day, and for all the cases we DO hear about, I can assure you there are countless others we never hear about.

 

[Amster]

I doubt that LE has any more or any less pervs than any other profession. And, they don't make the laws. For the light sentences, look to the DA, attorneys, judges....

 

[Ontario Mom]

I doubt that LE has any more or any less pervs than any other profession. And, they don't make the laws. For the light sentences, look to the DA, attorneys, judges....

I've never read the stats to say LE specifically does or doesn't but I did say "EVERY walk of judicial-related life... cops, judges, lawyers, politicians, therapists, etc." in my comment up-thread. One thing I do know for certain is that they (pedophiles) often gravitate toward child-related careers, where they have easy access.

 

[Abigail]

I've never read the stats to say LE specifically does or doesn't but I did say "EVERY walk of judicial-related life... cops, judges, lawyers, politicians, therapists, etc." in my comment up-thread. One thing I do know for certain is that they (pedophiles) often gravitate toward child-related careers, where they have easy access.

Such as substitute teacher or residential counselor for developmentally disabled children? (N. Vaisey's jobs before washing dogs)

 

[AnaTeresa]

Such as substitute teacher or residential counselor for developmentally disabled children? (N. Vaisey's jobs before washing dogs)

Seriously. I don't know how we ended up talking about how pedophiles are taking over the legal field and some vast conspiracy regarding sentencing that's not even bourne out by statistics.

To me, it makes more sense to focus on the defendants in this case, and not broad generalities. And to me, it's pretty pertinent that Vaisey's taken jobs in other areas which would make it easier to abuse kids, particularly given LE's statements about prior victims.

 

[SCHMAE]

You're absolutely right that it's common, and the travesty is that most child molesters and child viewers/promoters are given nothing more than a slap on the wrist -- at least here in upstate NY. In my zip code there are currently 9 sex offenders on the registry, 7 of whom are child sex offenders:
1) Child sex offender #1 - assaulted a 13 year old (when he was 24) - got probation only
2) Child sex offender #2 - child - 30 months in prison
3) Child sex offender #3 - sexually abused a 5 year old child (multiple times) - 5 months jail
4) Child sex offenders #4 & 5 - (two woman, btw) - sexually abused a 4 year old child, tried to traffic child, deviate sex w/ child - 42 months state prison
5) Child sex offender #6 - sexually abused a 4 year old (he was in a position of authority over her) - 8 years prison (arrested & convicted in Texas)
6) Child sex offender #7 - assaulted a 14 year old (when he was 37) - probation only

This post says it all!!!!!!!!! No child molester was ever rehabbed ! The only ones I have one inkling of ' respect' for are the ultra rare ( in fact maybe only one that i can think of ) who go to authorities , turn themselves in , say they have a problem, say they will re offend and BEG for a snip snip to protect kids. I remember one case like that ever and I use the word respect loosely, but at least this guy knew he was a monster and he did not want to be a monster. Why do they let them go ?

 

[Minette]

I have a solution for child rapists. Without going into detail it is the same as for rabid dogs and for the same reasons. I don't always mention it, but when I do someone always says, "You don't have the right to play God!" To which I say, "I don't have the right, but maybe we have the responsibility, and I'm willing to take it since God is only concerned with them after they are already dead." I'd be OK with locking them up forever, but that isn't going to happen, especially not so long as we're filling up the jails with addicts and small time dealers from our War on Drugs. How about legalizing the substances (not all of them, but some, and tax those), penalizing actions taken under the influence just like we do with alcohol and declaring a War on Pedophiles, instead? One strike, you're out of society forever. You rape and kill a child, DP.

Sorry, but I'm fresh from reading updates on the Christina Regusters trial and the Jenise Wright rape & murder case and I'm not in a very tolerant mood. I'll go over here in the corner for a while.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Seriously. I don't know how we ended up talking about how pedophiles are taking over the legal field and some vast conspiracy regarding sentencing that's not even bourne out by statistics.
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I don't think anyone assumes pedophiles are taking over the legal field (or any other field, for that matter), or that there is any vast conspiracy anywhere. That being said however, the comments made in this case in msm indicating possible federal charges do lend to the idea that there was at least someone else involved. And, that possibility alone got me to thinking about how pedophiles are very, very well networked via modern tech, with others that share their interests.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Why do they let them go ?

There are countless reasons they let them go but the #1 reason is (despite how everyone cries how despicable and unthinkable it is) those who pass the laws do not believe raping a child warrants a harsher punishment. If they DID, the punishments would reflect it. I realize that is an oversimplification but I believe that's pretty much it, in a nutshell.

 

[Sin]

I would think the case is federal because the Judge decided to give it up to a Superior (federal court) last week. We had a discussion about it on here I believe. Because the FBI was brought in to investigate that gave them the option of giving the case up to a superior court, right?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I would think the case is federal because the Judge decided to give it up to a Superior (federal court) last week. We had a discussion about it on here I believe. Because the FBI was brought in to investigate that gave them the option of giving the case up to a superior court, right?

You could be right about that. I was just going by what I'd read qualifies as federal kidnapping charges. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Abigail]

I would think the case is federal because the Judge decided to give it up to a Superior (federal court) last week. We had a discussion about it on here I believe. Because the FBI was brought in to investigate that gave them the option of giving the case up to a superior court, right?

I may be wrong, but my understanding of the NY court system is that when someone is arrested, they usually show up for a preliminary hearing in the local municipal court (town or village), to determine if there's enough evidence to proceed to trial (probable guilt). Sometimes this step is skipped (like SH waived his) and goes directly to the Grand Jury. If the judge decides there's sufficient evidence, then the case (if a felony charge) is sent to the Grand Jury for an indictment. The Grand Jury (16 to 23 citizens) decides if there's reasonable cause that the case should proceed to trial, and if so, give an indictment (the defendant can waive this step as well). The case is then sent back to the county court (or "superior court)," where the defendant(s) hear the decision of the GJ, and enter a plea. If "not guilty" -- then the case is sent to trial (in that same court, usually). This is the point where plea bargains can be made.

In some sparsely populated areas, the same judge might sit at the prelim and also the superior court trial.

 

[Inthedetails]

"Hospital that employed NY Amish abduction suspect investigating possible drug theft"
http://www.startribune.com/nation/273020001.html

 

[blue22]

Title 18, U.S.C., section 1201(g) provides special rules for offenses involving children. Where the victim is under the age of 18 years and the offender has obtained such age and is not a parent, grandparent,brother, sister, aunt, uncle, or person having legal custody, sentencing levels are increased to reflect the severity of the treatment and situation in which the child has been placed.

I apologize that I can't get this thing to paste a link. A federal kidnapping charge can apply to children, to reflect the severity of the crime. It can also be federal kidnapping if they are held for 24 hours, or their is commerce involved. But I think that's already been discussed.

 

[Inthedetails]

"Hospital that employed NY Amish abduction suspect investigating possible drug theft"
http://www.startribune.com/nation/273020001.html

More information about possible drug theft from local media: http://bit.ly/1qLTZRK

 

[Abigail]

"Hospital that employed NY Amish abduction suspect investigating possible drug theft"
http://www.startribune.com/nation/273020001.html

No big surprise there! Thanks for posting the link. Here's the link to the original Watertown Daily article, where the hospital administrator explains the safeguard system: http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140828/NEWS05/140828819

However, as Mrs. Shea pointed out, "hospital officials know that if the desire is great enough, an individual will find a way to obtain medications."

Even with a computerized system in place to track where the drugs are going, a nurse can circumvent it. Especially in ER, when things get busy. A nurse can "check out" a drug for a patient, simply not give it to the patient, and no one would notice. Most folks don't check their itemized bill after being treated in the hospital, and even if they did, they might not remember (or even know) what was injected when in an ER crisis. That would be hard for an internal hospital review to discern as well, for that reason.

Some of the articles referenced syringes and meds found at SH's place. I wonder if they could track the code on the med bottles/vials/syringes back to the hospital where SH worked?

 

[KristinSchmistin]

No big surprise there! Thanks for posting the link. Here's the link to the original Watertown Daily article, where the hospital administrator explains the safeguard system: http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140828/NEWS05/140828819

However, as Mrs. Shea pointed out, "hospital officials know that if the desire is great enough, an individual will find a way to obtain medications."

Even with a computerized system in place to track where the drugs are going, a nurse can circumvent it. Especially in ER, when things get busy. A nurse can "check out" a drug for a patient, simply not give it to the patient, and no one would notice. Most folks don't check their itemized bill after being treated in the hospital, and even if they did, they might not remember (or even know) what was injected when in an ER crisis. That would be hard for an internal hospital review to discern as well, for that reason.

Some of the articles referenced syringes and meds found at SH's place. I wonder if they could track the code on the med bottles/vials/syringes back to the hospital where SH worked?

They can prob trace the bottles. They have barcodes on the side that are scanned out here in NY. Unless the labels were removed.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[Inthedetails]

Amish gather with hammers and nails to show their gratitude
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140829/DCO/140828587

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I don't know if you all saw this article but they are investigating theft of drugs from the hospital

http://www.13wham.com/news/features...igates-amish-kidnap-suspect-15231.shtml?wap=0


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[Abigail]

Amish gather with hammers and nails to show their gratitude
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140829/DCO/140828587

heartwarming! :balloons::sunshine::grouphug: