NY - Female passenger died after being set on fire by man on subway - NYC - December 22, 2024

[jennytrevor]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

I'm sorry but this is just sad. Not to mention in this case, helping someone who is burning up in a fire is completely different than putting a person in a chokehold.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

Wow, harsh.

 

[Marysmith]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

What a wonderful, caring society we've become.

 

[airportwoman]

Okay, this "he was not a high school student" game of telephone got out of hand. He was spotted by three teenagers, who were high school students, and they all agreed that he looked a lot like the man pictured on the WANTED posters. I don't think any of them actually knew him.

 

[airportwoman]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

Are you willing to call 911 if you see a person in distress?

 

[LordMo]

If someone was already on fire to the point of being "engulfed," I don't imagine there's much that your average bystander could do without also becoming a victim. LE were alerted quickly and attempted to respond appropriately with training and equipment, I don't really see the need to make this an issue about bystanders not doing something.

 

[jjenny]

If someone was already on fire to the point of being "engulfed," I don't imagine there's much that your average bystander could do without also becoming a victim. LE were alerted quickly and attempted to respond appropriately with training and equipment, I don't really see the need to make this an issue about bystanders not doing something.

I agree. It wasn't a small fire that could be put out without special equipment. Which again makes me think an accelerant had to be involved.

 

[jjenny]

Okay, this "he was not a high school student" game of telephone got out of hand. He was spotted by three teenagers, who were high school students, and they all agreed that he looked a lot like the man pictured on the WANTED posters. I don't think any of them actually knew him.

Yep. Nothing to suggest high school students knew him.
"Federal immigration officials said he was an undocumented immigrant from Guatemala who had been deported in 2018, only to illegally return to the United States. The address he gave the police after his arrest was a homeless shelter in Brooklyn for men with drug problems."

Suspect in NYC Subway Fire Is Charged With Murder in Woman’s Death

The man charged with murder in the woman’s death was identified by federal officials as a 33-year-old from Guatemala who was in the United States illegally.

www.nytimes.com

 

[caradana]

Times Square wasn’t that great in the late sixties and early seventies either . I lived on 44th street then.

Agreed, excellent point

 

[caradana]

I believe you mean the E train, whose final stop (Jamaica Center) provides a connection to the JFK AirTrain? At no point along its route is the 7 train anywhere near JFK. Its final stop, in Main Street, Flushing, is in Northern Queens, some 6.5 miles from the more southerly-located JFK.

I apologize, you are absolutely right, too many early morning runs out of Hudson Yards. Yes, take the 7 to the A/E and see what the de facto shelter for the severely mentally ill looks like in post-COVID 2024 in a subway system that administers to more people in 1 day than the United States TSA administers to in an entire year, nationally (isn’t that a stunning stat?).

Every day, there are more than 4M human rides on the NYC MTA.
Wyoming’s population is about 800K. Imagine the entire state of Wyoming rode the subway six times a day. That’s this system. With that frame, the propensity for the occasional wild and revolting crime becomes clearer.

 

[Sundog]

https://pix11.com/news/morning/woman-who-died-on-subway-was-so-badly-burned-only-teeth-can-id-her-nypd/

So badly burned that she will need to be identified by her teeth.

If it’s true that she used a walker, she was elderly or disabled and couldn’t readily get herself up and out of the way.

The horror. Overwhelming.


Source is a local NYC news channel.

If the train car has video, would they be able to get an image of her while she was sleeping and enhance it and use that to try to identify her, get it out into the public in the hopes that someone might identify her?

 

[jjenny]

If the train car has video, would they be able to get an image of her while she was sleeping and enhance it and use that to try to identify her, get it out into the public in the hopes that someone might identify her?

Train car definitely has video, but maybe they don't have a clear video of her face?

 

[swanniee11]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

I am very sad to read this. I would like to think if you or I were in trouble someone would do something. I would rather be helpful than useless. IMO

 

[LadyL]

dbm

 

[justtrish]

Who knows. And guess what, who dares to stop him? Who needs a trial hanging over their heads to try to stop crime in NYC?! If nothing else, the "Penny Trial" taught everyone to just MYOB on the subway in NYC.

The first thought that popped into my head. WHY would anyone risk helping when they could be charged with a crime.

 

[LadyL]

I absolutely will not stop to help anyone, due to the possibility of being charged with manslaughter. People judge and find guilt with anyone who attempts to keep another person safe. Why bother? just turn you head and walk on by. JMO

yes there are nasty people but there's more people who appreciate the help and are givers themselves

 

[Arkay]

If the train car has video, would they be able to get an image of her while she was sleeping and enhance it and use that to try to identify her, get it out into the public in the hopes that someone might identify her?

Train car definitely has video, but maybe they don't have a clear video of her face?

All the train cars have video, as well as all the platforms.

I’ve been puzzled myself as to why there’s been no at least basic description of her.

If she were asleep with her head down, or wearing a mask, or anything else that would obscure her face prior to the fire, that may be an issue——except that there should also be video from the train platform before she got on the train.

I’ve also not heard that someone is missing….usually when NYPD is alerted to a missing person, we get notifications on Notify NYC or another emergency site.

It’s possible, if she lived on the subway, that no one has in fact called about a missing wife, or mother, friend, sister, daughter etc.

 

[LadyL]

dbm

 

[HMSHood]

Really disturbing case all around.

 

[SusanDonim]

Respectfully, please quote your source for 'hundreds of thousands'.