NY - Former President Donald Trump charged with 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records, Apr 2023

[FLmom777]

Stormy Daniels testified before the Grand Jury. Apparently, they believed her. It is not a giant leap to believe she had proof. An indictment is the result. Gosh, shucks.

There is nothing illegal about hush money anyhow even if true. Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones to drop her case.

 

[Lilibet]

There is nothing illegal about hush money anyhow even if true. Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones to drop her case.

The illegality can come into it if it has to do with the campaign and is not accounted for correctly and honestly. This thread is about Donald Trump, not Bill Clinton. The mod has asked us to leave other people out of the discussion.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

"Hush money" language is so salacious by MSM, it was a nondisclosure agreemnt (NDA) which is not illegal, but MSM enjoys the salacious narrative and is milking it for all it is worth. NDA's are quite common, especially among politcians.

RBBM

That's like saying entering a building is not illegal. Sometimes it is. Sometimes agreements are.

And if the NDA was so above board and squeaky clean, why was the hush money falsely reported?

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1642475223973855232

‘Like lighting a match’: Trump ramps up rhetoric as legal walls close in

‘Like lighting a match’: Trump ramps up rhetoric as legal walls close in

The former president has responded to his indictment with invective and dire warnings amid an already polarised situation

www.theguardian.com

 

[GRT]

I doubt the jury will have any problem convicting Trump.

I think Trump is going down the same way as Al Capone. How ironic that will be.

I think that's wishful thinking, but only time will tell.

 

[GRT]

The fact that Trump was indicted in the first place. In the end I think he will be exonerated. JMO.

I don't think he will be "exonerated," but at the most, he will face fines for campaign finance violations even though those related charges are past the statute of limitations.

Candidates often violate campaign finance rules, but the vast majority of the time, they are fined by the Federal Elections Commission. When the FEC looked at these violations (after Cohen pleaded), they publicly stated they would not be fining Trump. You can download and read that letter here.

If the FEC opted not to pursue the violations, I don't think Bragg has a good chance of obtaining any felony conviction, and I'd be willing to bet the FEC will be called to testify as to why they didn't pursue the matter.

The only thing (JMOO) that might change the outcome would be the inclusion of charges we know nothing about so far.

 

[Telltale]

Hats off to Stormy Daniels for doing what we all can only daydream of. Holding the man to account. I am sure he has done similar things to many people, but she was the witness willing to go the distance. Now she's made no secret of the fact the publicity has benefitted her career these last six years, but it has also upended her life and become very scary at times.

I highly doubt the name recognition is worth becoming a top target for the Trump Cult. Especially at this point when everyone knows who she is. She could have quietly stepped back. Who could have blamed her? She has a young daughter and no doubt some of the many death threats she has received have been serious.

While they could have compelled her, a reluctant star witness would be a significant obstacle when it came to a trial. So it's no small thing that she's stuck with it to the end (and this is far from the end.)

Also, does anyone else find it odd how much people are flapping over the fact he's going to get -gasp- photographed and fingerprinted and treated (nothing like) inditied person for about half a day? He's a grown man, <modsnip>

 

[waldojabba]

I don't think he will be "exonerated," but at the most, he will face fines for campaign finance violations even though those related charges are past the statute of limitations.

Candidates often violate campaign finance rules, but the vast majority of the time, they are fined by the Federal Elections Commission. When the FEC looked at these violations (after Cohen pleaded), they publicly stated they would not be fining Trump. You can download and read that letter here.

If the FEC opted not to pursue the violations, I don't think Bragg has a good chance of obtaining any felony conviction, and I'd be willing to bet the FEC will be called to testify as to why they didn't pursue the matter.

The only thing (JMOO) that might change the outcome would be the inclusion of charges we know nothing about so far.

If past is prelude - this case will be dragged/drug ? out for as long as possible by DT lawyers.
This obvi is not their first rodeo. So imo there will be no quick outcome. I do not believe he will plea. JMO

 

[whatsupp]

DeSantis brands Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg a 'menace to society'

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis slammed Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg in a not-quite-campaign speech over the weekend in New York.

www.dailymail.co.uk

DeSantis derided Manhattan DA for his politically motivated indictment of former President Donald Trump at a speech over the weekend in New York

The Florida governor lambasted the progressive DA, calling him a 'menace to society,' in addition to slamming President Joe Biden

The recently indicted former president is polling 26 points ahead of DeSantis, according to a poll that shows his lead tripled in recent weeks

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Michael Cohen on the Trump indictment: "I expect complete and total mayhem"

The former Trump attorney says the ex-president is "petrified" at the prospect of being fingerprinted and having his mug shot taken following his criminal indictment.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[tara83]

Michael Cohen on the Trump indictment: "I expect complete and total mayhem"

The former Trump attorney says the ex-president is "petrified" at the prospect of being fingerprinted and having his mug shot taken following his criminal indictment.

www.cbsnews.com

It must be a shock to a man like Trump who thought he would never face any consequences for his actions.Ironic since he always judged others actions but thinks he's off limits.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

How will Trump react to Tuesday's arraignment?

As Donald Trump prepares to surrender to New York authorities on Tuesday, what's his new reality as the first former President of the United States ever to face criminal charges? Trump's niece, Mary Trump, joins Katie Phang to discuss.

www.msnbc.com

 

[FLmom777]

One of the details that immediately jumped off the pages of Southern District of New York (SDNY) prosecutors’ Friday sentencing memo for Michael Cohen has to do with “Individual-1,” also known as President Donald Trump.

Prosecutors were pretty open about who Individual-1 was from the start and how he came to “direct” Cohen to commit felonies:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/5453395/USDOJ-Cohen-20181207.pdf

Federal Prosecutors 'Concluded' Trump 'Committed a Felony' | Law & Crime

One of the details that immediately jumped off the pages of Southern District of New York (SDNY) prosecutors' Friday sentencing memo for Michael Cohen regards "Individual-1," also known as President Donald Trump.

lawandcrime.com

What felonies?

 

[FLmom777]

It must be a shock to a man like Trump who thought he would never face any consequences for his actions.Ironic since he always judged others actions but thinks he's off limits.

Sounds like your opinion here, without any facts to support the opinion.

 

[FLmom777]

Trump will plea...or get used to orange. 2 Cents

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty​

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants went to trial in 2018, and most who did were found guilty

Trials are rare in the federal criminal justice system: Just 2% of criminal defendants went to trial in fiscal 2018. Acquittals are even rarer.

www.pewresearch.org

Your link has nothing to do with this because this isn’t a federal case.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Donald Trump set to speak from Florida after arraignment

The former president is set to speak after being arraigned in New York City on an indictment by a grand jury that heard evidence on hush money paid to 🤬🤬🤬🤬 star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election.

www.reuters.com

Former President Donald Trump will speak in Florida on Tuesday evening, according to a statement from his office on Sunday, in remarks to be made after his expected court appearance in New York City stemming from his historic indictment last week.

Trump indictment live updates: Trump to speak at Mar-a-Lago on day of expected arraignment

Donald Trump was indicted by a New York grand jury last week. Get the latest news and live updates on Trump’s indictment and expected arraignment this week.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[FLmom777]

I think the most serious charges are tied to tax evasion.

If they were tied to his income tax return they wouldn’t be in state court.

 

[FLmom777]

The illegality can come into it if it has to do with the campaign and is not accounted for correctly and honestly. This thread is about Donald Trump, not Bill Clinton. The mod has asked us to leave other people out of the discussion.

The only felony charge relies on proving the intent, and even then it isn’t something that is under the jurisdiction of a state court. I only mentioned Clinton because it was the same thing.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Former Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance warns Trump could face further legal trouble if he threatens judicial system

Cyrus Vance Jr. said on “Meet the Press” he was "disturbed" to hear Trump's recent attacks on the Manhattan DA's office.

www.nbcnews.com

Vance, who left the Manhattan DA's office at the end of 2021, suggested that Trump could face further legal backlash if he continues to wage attacks against Bragg and the judicial system, which he says could sway the jury in the case.

 

[cady]

The only felony charge relies on proving the intent, and even then it isn’t something that is under the jurisdiction of a state court. I only mentioned Clinton because it was the same thing.

We don.t know what the exact charges are nor do we know what is in evidence. Stay tuned jmo