VERDICT WATCH NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #3

[otto]

Why didn't the defense call these witnesses?

One refused to reply to a subpoena and they needed time to track that person down, one had covid, some did not want their names to be publicly released, and the 81 year old who would testify that Maxwell did not live at a particular location at the time that it was referenced by a witness was unable to travel at that time.

Initially, the prosecution stated a much longer time to present evidence. When they wrapped up early, the defence has claimed that they were unable to move up the timeline of witnesses.

 

[citygirl]

One refused to reply to a subpoena and they needed time to track that person down, one had covid, some did not want their names to be publicly released, and the 81 year old who would testify that Maxwell did not live at a particular location at the time that it was referenced by a witness was unable to travel at that time.

Initially, the prosecution stated a much longer time to present evidence. When they wrapped up early, the defence has claimed that they were unable to move up the timeline of witnesses.

I know about them . I was referring to the people they said the pros didn't call from the above post at 7:25.

 

[whitelilac]

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but if convicted I wonder if she will meet a similar fate to JE. There may be someone out there (or more likely many people) that would rather their name not be mentioned.

Conversely, if found not guilty, it would be easier to arrange an "accident" or hit if she was free. Who knows whether she'd talk or want to write a book.

 

[Ontario Mom]

We will never know the full story.

I have no desire to know the "full" story if that has to include the salacious details of the predatory depravity of GM and the company she kept.

That said, I think it's crystal clear that these are/were degenerate human beings that prey on the vulnerable for personal gain and/or degenerate pleasure.

Essentially, they're the monsters every parent warns their kids about.
Nothing new under the sun.

 

[MrsWatson]

Ghislaine Maxwell’s sex-trafficking trial: jury begins deliberations

 

[MrsWatson]

My prediction, based on MOO, is that she will be found guilty, her attorneys will immediately file notice of appeal, and will plead for another chance at bail. And if Madame Maxwell gets bail, she'll never be seen again. I have never understood why she was found holed up in that mansion in New Hampshire in the first place. She had the money and the access to go anywhere in the world and to effectively disappear herself, yet she chose not to. My guess is that her arrogance made her feel immune to the laws that apply to us little people.

 

[sds71]

I really hope she’s found guilty.
I think she stayed in NH because her husband wanted to be close to his children.
They had to leave Manchester by the Sea and now he’s back there.
She also thought she was one of co-conspirators protected from prosecution because of Epstein’s FL plea deal.
I guess she wasn’t.

 

[BUF]

Yes, it has been reported that her husband(?) is back in Manchester by the Sea…and with a new lady friend…and no mention of him attending GM’s trial. So strange that her siblings didn’t even know she was married until she was arrested.

I do think that her arrogance made her think that nothing would come of criminal proceedings against her…up until the point of concern that they purchased that new property in NH under the guise of another name…but then it’s possible that she got wind of charges coming. Even with her duo citizenship passport, at that point she could have been detained leaving the country. She was concerned enough that her phone was found wrapped in tin foil trying to avoid being traced.

 

[sds71]

Yes, it has been reported that her husband(?) is back in Manchester by the Sea…and with a new lady friend…and no mention of him attending GM’s trial. So strange that her siblings didn’t even know she was married until she was arrested.

She was concerned enough that her phone was found wrapped in tin foil trying to avoid being traced.

I bet her husband told her it would work.
Then made plans to move back to Mass.

 

[BUF]

From Comey’s rebuttal…

Who is the Real Ghislaine Maxwell: Epstein’s Perverted Madam or His Clueless Girlfriend?

“The victims are the evidence,” Comey said, adding that people who prey on children don’t leave behind memos documenting what they did.
……..
Maxwell never imagined the teenage girls she abused would be the adult women testifying against her, Comey said. “In her eyes, they were just trash,” the prosecutor told jurors. “Beneath her.”

more about closings at link

 

[MrsWatson]

I'd forgotten about the phone in tinfoil. Did they not have google? She could have hired the best private security adviser, but instead they wrapped the phone in foil.

 

[Legally Bland]

Twitter thread from Adam Klasfeld on "conscious avoidance".

@KlasfeldReports

Good morning from New York. The first full day of jury deliberations begins in the case of Ghislaine Maxwell. In an interview yesterday, I was asked about an instruction given to the jury in considering their verdict: "conscious avoidance." How it begins—and a quick thread.

To be clear:

The claims against Maxwell are NOT that she avoided knowledge of alleged crimes.

Maxwell is accused of facilitating and participating in Jeffrey Epstein's abuse of minors. Three accusing witnesses testified that she touched their breasts.

If the jury accepts the defense's efforts to distance Maxwell from Epstein, however, this charge could become significant.

Now, jurors have been instructed to consider whether she was "willfully blind" to what was going on—and multiple witnesses called her Epstein's "No. 2."

Jurors will then need to be asked whether Ghislaine Maxwell, described by two of Epstein's ex-pilots under oath as his "No. 2" and by his ex-house manager as the "lady of the house," knew what the late sex offender was up to.

The first major trial that I ever covered in the legal beat hinged upon the concept of conscious avoidance: the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings case of Ahmed Ghailani, the first Guantánamo detainee to be tried in a civilian court.

—Right here in the Southern District of New York.

The defense in that case was that Ghailani was an unsophisticated errand boy by hardened terrorists to obtain the bomb-making materials.

Their summations went: "Ahmed did not know."

Jurors acquitted on more than 200 counts and convicted on one—leading to his life sentence.

There was a jury note in that case seeking guidance on the concept of conscious avoidance.

The instructions may seem like arcane legalese, but believe me, 12 jurors can and do pay attention to this stuff.

Time will tell how they assess this case. </thread>

Just a follow-up point:

All of this makes things significantly **harder** for Maxwell. "Conscious avoidance" charges are quite common — and the bane of defense attorneys.

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1473294013524582411

 

[grammieto5]

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but if convicted I wonder if she will meet a similar fate to JE. There may be someone out there (or more likely many people) that would rather their name not be mentioned.

YEP! And I wonder if any of the Clinton's friends are on her visitation list?

 

[BUF]

Talk about verdict watch before the Christmas break! 3 that I know of…

 

[sds71]

@KlasfeldReports

Ghislaine Maxwell's prosecutors and defense attorneys returned to their tables. Judge Nathan enters: "I have a note." "We would like the transcripts/testimony of 'Jane,' Annie and Carolyn

The judge says that she'll note stating they're getting the transcripts ready and will send them into the jury room.


They want to look at a broad swath of evidence: all of the testimony of all the alleged victims. (Remember: "Kate," whose transcript they did not request, is not Maxwell's alleged victim, per the judge's instruction.)

 

[sds71]

Maxwell closing presentation slides:
https://t.co/1nMkYYL5C1
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21165753/usvmaxredactedicp.pdf

 

[grammieto5]

Does anyone know what will happen with the jury if they do not come to a decision by Friday, December 24th? Will they be able to go home for Christmas, and then come back on Monday?

 

[BUF]

Sounds like this was a very attentive jury…

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports

If you want to hear my analysis of conscious avoidance or other matters regarding jury deliberations in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial,
@LBC asked me about these topics in this recent interview.

Interview with LBC at the start of Ghislaine Maxwell deliberations

 

[BUF]

Does anyone know what will happen with the jury if they do not come to a decision by Friday, December 24th? Will they be able to go home for Christmas, and then come back on Monday?

I think I read somewhere that court closes Wednesday afternoon (end of day) for the holiday. If the jury doesn’t have a decision by then, they will return after the holiday. They are not sequestered.


ETA: A verdict could come as soon as Tuesday. The judge in the trial has said that would reconvene next week if they can’t reach a verdict by the end of Wednesday.
Ghislaine Maxwell Trial: When Will the Verdict Be Announced?

 

[Chelly]

Talk about verdict watch before the Christmas break! 3 that I know of…

I know, right? It's feast or famine for us trial addicts.