GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

[Chelly]

Concerning the outraged family of GM... Let them blather on news shows, BBC, wherever. Filthy-rich privileged, blowhard elitists who believe they are above the law, live in their own universe. They don't care about normal people, and we normal people don't give a whit about them. "The Lady of the House" has been tried and convicted. Shame on her family; they can all go suck up at $50k a plate dinner parties for all anyone cares...in my humble opinion.

 

[887sMtreme]

Yes, of course she is, but I wouldn't give him the tiniest bit of slack. Every single person involved needs prison.

I don't think the poster is talking about GM. At least that's the way I took it.

You are correct. We’re talking about comments made about GM by Virginia Giuffre.

 

[887sMtreme]

GM is a "victim"? Seriously? She is a convicted predator.

We’re talking about comments made about GM by Virginia Giuffre.

 

[887sMtreme]

Maybe he is talking about how in the UK the media is restricted on what they can publish about someone who is accused. DM even turns comments off on their articles.

I’m interested in the statement that seems to suggest we don’t have such a thing as “contempt of court” in the US because of our First Amendment right to freedom of speech. That just isn’t true.

 

[Gardenista]

I’m interested in the statement that seems to suggest we don’t have such a thing as “contempt of court” in the US because of our First Amendment right to freedom of speech. That just isn’t true.

Yes, but he says it in relation to the media, not to everyone. My guess is he really doesn't understand American laws, just like I don't understand UK laws.

 

[Cool Cats]

Snipped for focus


Thanks for this. Really interesting. I just wonder about the bit BBM above. We don’t? Judges hold people in contempt of court all the time. Does this mean something different in the UK? Asking for education

Ian Maxwell, Ghislaine’s older brother, said:

“US First Amendment rights are in clear conflict with a defendant’s rights to a fair trial – the USA has no equivalent of contempt of court, no guidelines of any description to prevent overt media manipulation by both the prosecuting authorities and the highly paid lawyers who represented both accusers in court and also the accusers who did not appear in court to have their allegations questioned,” he said.

I found this:

CONTEMPT OF COURT (#GS II)

CONTEMPT OF COURT (#GS II)
What is Contempt of Court

• The ability of the court to maintain its own majesty and respect is known as "contempt of court." The 1971 Contempt of Courts Act regulates but does not limit this power.
• The term "contempt of court" is not defined in the United States Constitution.
• Article 129 of the Constitution, on the other hand, gives the Supreme Court the authority to penalize itself for contempt.
• The High Courts were given an equivalent power under Article 215 of the Constitution.
• Both civil and criminal contempt are defined under the 1971 Contempt of Courts Act.
• Willful defiance of a court's judgement is referred to as civil contempt.
• Criminal contempt can be used if an act has the potential to embarrass or undermine the court's authority.
• It has a tendency to obstruct the proper conduct of any judicial action.

 

[citygirl]

(slashed to a single line quote by me!)

Not enjoying the baseless renewed attacks on the victims by MSM under the guise of interviews, but the entire Maxwell family are all very well versed in the art of MSM having been brought up and trained within a major news empire & in several cases followed careers around it.

I presume that IM will use his quote “memory is faulty” when he is asked to explain the blatant omission when describing that ‘Her cell consists of a 6ft x 9ft space, with a concrete bed and toilet’ ‘her isolation cell - where she is held approximately 12 hours every day’ with ‘no flat surface in her cell for her to work on the legal documentation for the long hours she is left to languish in there’ were ‘appalling conditions in which she has been held for over 18 months and which seriously impacted her ability to participate in her own defence’ & hence have a fair trial. (clipped from various sources)

It surely has to be poor memory that made him forget to mention the ‘day room’ she has access to for 13 hours a day, seven days a week (& yes she is very likely held in the cell where she sleeps at night for 11 hrs - it’s a detention center).

As prosecutors explained in a letter to the Court:
'The defendant is permitted to review her discovery thirteen hours per day, seven days per week.
During the entirety of that time, the defendant has access to both a desktop computer provided by the MDC and a laptop computer provided by the Government on which to review discovery.
Also during those thirteen hours per day, the defendant may use the MDC desktop computer to send and receive emails with her attorneys. This discovery review takes place in a day room that is separate from the defendant’s isolation cell.
Accordingly, the defendant is permitted out of her cell from 7am to 8pm every day.
While in the day room, the defendant has exclusive access to the MDC desktop computer, the laptop, a television, a phone on which to place social or attorney calls, and a shower.
The defendant is also permitted outdoor recreation every day, although she has the option of declining such recreation time if she wishes.'
‘…the defendant receives five hours of video-teleconference (“VTC”) calls with her counsel every weekday, for a total of 25 hours of attorney VTC calls per week.’
Letter – #196 in United States v. Maxwell (S.D.N.Y., 1:20-cr-00330) – CourtListener.com

I am sure he will remember to mention the day room soon...

JMOO

Great post. Never saw this before.
Thanks for the reminder.
MOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

The Fight Against Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s Sex Ring Is Far From Over

Here are five civil cases that are still in federal court against Epstein’s estate and associates.

Virginia Giuffre v. Alan Dershowitz
Virginia Giuffre v. Prince Andrew
Priscilla Doe v. HBRK Associates
Russian Jane Doe v. Epstein Estate
Caroline Kaufman v. Epstein Estate

 

[Gardenista]

Ian Maxwell, Ghislaine’s older brother, said:

“US First Amendment rights are in clear conflict with a defendant’s rights to a fair trial – the USA has no equivalent of contempt of court, no guidelines of any description to prevent overt media manipulation by both the prosecuting authorities and the highly paid lawyers who represented both accusers in court and also the accusers who did not appear in court to have their allegations questioned,” he said.

I found this:

CONTEMPT OF COURT (#GS II)

CONTEMPT OF COURT (#GS II)
What is Contempt of Court

• The ability of the court to maintain its own majesty and respect is known as "contempt of court." The 1971 Contempt of Courts Act regulates but does not limit this power.
• The term "contempt of court" is not defined in the United States Constitution.
• Article 129 of the Constitution, on the other hand, gives the Supreme Court the authority to penalize itself for contempt.
• The High Courts were given an equivalent power under Article 215 of the Constitution.
• Both civil and criminal contempt are defined under the 1971 Contempt of Courts Act.
• Willful defiance of a court's judgement is referred to as civil contempt.
• Criminal contempt can be used if an act has the potential to embarrass or undermine the court's authority.
• It has a tendency to obstruct the proper conduct of any judicial action.

Also found this. Looks like it applies to UK citizens as well as the media

Contempt of court
‘Contempt of court’ happens when someone risks unfairly influencing a court case. It may stop somebody from getting a fair trial and can affect a trial’s outcome.

Contempt of court includes:

• disobeying or ignoring a court order
• taking photos or shouting out in court
• refusing to answer the court’s questions if you’re called as a witness
• publicly commenting on a court case, for example on social media or online news articles

If you’re found to be in contempt of court, you could go to prison for up to 2 years, get a fine, or both.

Publicly commenting on a court case
You might be in contempt of court if you speak publicly or post on social media.

For example, you should not:

• say whether you think a person is guilty or innocent
• refer to someone’s previous convictions
• name someone the judge has allowed to be anonymous, even if you did not know this
• name victims, witnesses and offenders under 18
• name sex crime victims
• share any evidence or facts about a case that the judge has said cannot be made public

Report contempt of court
If you’ve seen something that you think risks the fairness of a future or ongoing case, you can either:

• contact the court
• email the Attorney General’s Office at [email protected]

If you’re reporting something you’ve seen online, include screenshots of the posts if you have them.

 

[RickshawFan]

Also found this. Looks like it applies to UK citizens as well as the media

Contempt of court
‘Contempt of court’ happens when someone risks unfairly influencing a court case. It may stop somebody from getting a fair trial and can affect a trial’s outcome.

Contempt of court includes:

• disobeying or ignoring a court order
• taking photos or shouting out in court
• refusing to answer the court’s questions if you’re called as a witness
• publicly commenting on a court case, for example on social media or online news articles

If you’re found to be in contempt of court, you could go to prison for up to 2 years, get a fine, or both.

Publicly commenting on a court case
You might be in contempt of court if you speak publicly or post on social media.

For example, you should not:

• say whether you think a person is guilty or innocent
• refer to someone’s previous convictions
• name someone the judge has allowed to be anonymous, even if you did not know this
• name victims, witnesses and offenders under 18
• name sex crime victims
• share any evidence or facts about a case that the judge has said cannot be made public

Report contempt of court
If you’ve seen something that you think risks the fairness of a future or ongoing case, you can either:

• contact the court
• email the Attorney General’s Office at [email protected]

If you’re reporting something you’ve seen online, include screenshots of the posts if you have them.

We have a lot of this in the US, surely! The only ones I can think of that we don't have are:
-refer to someone's previous convictions
-name sex crime victims unless they agree
-I can't tell from the list whether "publicly commenting on a court case" would apply to private individuals; looks like it would apply to commercial media. Unclear what "public" would mean. A forum that you have to register for where you can comment freely, is presumably a private medium, not public. Maybe we have a UK attorney here?

In the US, the media cannot say whether someone is guilty or innocent before the case has reached its conclusion.
If the judge imposes a gag order, you have to comply.

 

[Gardenista]

We have a lot of this in the US, surely! The only ones I can think of that we don't have are:
-refer to someone's previous convictions
-name sex crime victims unless they agree
-I can't tell from the list whether "publicly commenting on a court case" would apply to private individuals; looks like it would apply to commercial media. Unclear what "public" would mean. A forum that you have to register for where you can comment freely, is presumably a private medium, not public. Maybe we have a UK attorney here?

In the US, the media cannot say whether someone is guilty or innocent before the case has reached its conclusion.
If the judge imposes a gag order, you have to comply.

It it was like this in the US, then WS would not be a thing, or it would be very different. I believe it's why the thread for the UK cop who murdered the young woman has a media thread only now for the new charges. I'm can't believe it, but I'm blanking on her name right now.

 

[citygirl]

Can't help but think , there but for the grace of God go I.
Would never want to end up like this woman, Miss Maxwell.
Warm and cozy in my own house. Coffee, tea and wine at close hand on this Hallowed Eve.
Couldn't feel more grateful.
MOO.

 

[Kemug]

I wonder how GM will fill in the time in the next couple of decades if she doesn't take to sewing, gardening or whatever (you know, all those things that the little people do). Perhaps she could write a book? However, I for one would not believe a word of it.

 

[minusfour]

Can't help but think , there but for the grace of God go I.
Would never want to end up like this woman, Miss Maxwell.
Warm and cozy in my own house. Coffee, tea and wine at close hand on this Hallowed Eve.
Couldn't feel more grateful.
MOO.

She has made a lot of bad choices, for a very long time. She was ruthless, reckless and just plain awful. There is no sign of regret, or apology. She is not sorry for the harm she created, not at all. There are not many like her, thank goodness. Enjoy your comfortable home, I'm sure there is more than the grace of God between you and her.

 

[sds71]

Her daughter feels 'ashamed' of what she did as a teenager, Dorothy says, and for the past six months has been too traumatised to look after her own children
That burden now rests with her 60-year-old mother who in June moved into Carolyn's home in Florida. Carolyn has moved out indefinitely.

'My daughter suffers nightmares. She's on medication. She's got fears that her kids are going to be kidnapped and moles-ted . . . She's devastated and all she does is cry.'

A few days after Carolyn gave evidence, she sent her mother a YouTube video featuring a song called I Don't Feel Any More.

Dorothy plays it to me and, for the first time in our interview, she weeps as she listens to the lyrics: 'I have always felt like I don't belong here, it's been a long year, it's been a long life.'

Tears fill Dorothy's eyes as she reflects on her daughter's mental state.

'Nobody knows how deep this goes,' she says. 'I don't whether she is going to be alive from one day to another.'

Mother of Ghislaine Maxwell victim asks the questions that have haunted her | Daily Mail Online

 

[CrimeAway]

It it was like this in the US, then WS would not be a thing, or it would be very different. I believe it's why the thread for the UK cop who murdered the young woman has a media thread only now for the new charges. I'm can't believe it, but I'm blanking on her name right now.

Sarah Everard ?

The UK has very strict sub-justice rules. JMO.

 

[Gardenista]

Sarah Everard ?

The UK has very strict sub-justice rules. JMO.

Yes! thank you, that's her name. Terrible case, complete nightmare.

 

[Luna20]

Her daughter feels 'ashamed' of what she did as a teenager, Dorothy says, and for the past six months has been too traumatised to look after her own children
That burden now rests with her 60-year-old mother who in June moved into Carolyn's home in Florida. Carolyn has moved out indefinitely.

'My daughter suffers nightmares. She's on medication. She's got fears that her kids are going to be kidnapped and moles-ted . . . She's devastated and all she does is cry.'

A few days after Carolyn gave evidence, she sent her mother a YouTube video featuring a song called I Don't Feel Any More.

Dorothy plays it to me and, for the first time in our interview, she weeps as she listens to the lyrics: 'I have always felt like I don't belong here, it's been a long year, it's been a long life.'

Tears fill Dorothy's eyes as she reflects on her daughter's mental state.

'Nobody knows how deep this goes,' she says. 'I don't whether she is going to be alive from one day to another.'

Mother of Ghislaine Maxwell victim asks the questions that have haunted her | Daily Mail Online

Did the parents not ask more questions? I’m not blaming them I’m genuinely asking how this happened. If my 14 year old wanted to take a job offer cleaning a mans home I wouldn’t allow it. It’s also odd that she didn’t feel inclined to meet the the single millionaire who her daughter was working for.

Iirc Virginia has disclosed that her relationship with her Mother was strained. Is that the case with the other victims?

 

[tayaway]

Did the parents not ask more questions? I’m not blaming them I’m genuinely asking how this happened. If my 14 year old wanted to take a job offer cleaning a mans home I wouldn’t allow it. It’s also odd that she didn’t feel inclined to meet the the single millionaire who her daughter was working for.

Iirc Virginia has disclosed that her relationship with her Mother was strained. Is that the case with the other victims?

There are so many variables involved so each case is different. Only parents who have the capacity to care will actively attempt to protect their teens from predators. As somebody who grew up in a violent, depraved, neglectful home, who also had friends who suffered similar horrors and then went on to work with both teen victims and rapists, I can confidently tell you that a sizeable percent of parents out there, for whatever reasons, can't even begin to care about their teens. The red flags are there, if the teen is open to talking to a parent about some old guy who wants to train her as a 'massage therapist' or give her free music lessons and tuition b/c she's got 'talent', but if the family is broken...

 

[Puzzles]

Ah, Tayaway, you are proof the hand one is dealt in childhood does not necessarily cause one to fail the game of life.