GUILTY NY - Kenneth White, 5, Berne, 18 Dec 2014

The other reality is that it is incredibly easy to get a bipolar diagnosis. It's the trendy diagnosis. It is also misdiagnosed a lot in women by the old guard of psychology/psychiatry who think women should act a certain way. Bipolar NOS (not otherwise specified) is a catch all diagnosis. ADHD (which used to be a trendy diagnosis) is on the differential with bipolar and has a lot of similarities with a manic episode. The DSM criteria for bipolar includes such subjective symptoms as "risky behavior" which are applied more stringently to women than men.

Is it really that easy to get a Bipolar diagnosis in the US? In the UK at least it is very difficult to get the diagnosis confirmed and people usually have to wait many years to get appropriate treatment.

Perhaps in the US with insurance picking up the tab for treatment they are more willing to diagnose it. More likely as you've said it is a trendy diagnosis (or rather a self-diagnosis). People without knowledge of the condition just decide they have it to explain their behaviour.
 
My wife-to-be and I attended the candlelight vigil at the school. I was pleased at the turn-out, not only by many members of the community but also many from surrounding areas, as well as a fairly large contingent of law enforcement officials. The question of "how can something like this happen" looms even larger for a small, quiet community such as this.

We've followed the story closely from the beginning, and the family ties in this tragedy are confusing to say the least. From what I have gleaned-and this is from a variety of sources, so feel free to correct me-the mother (CV) had five children from a previous marriage who were given over to the sister (BV) and later were all adopted out. This occurred some 11 years ago. Then she met JW, and in '05 they lost their first child (a son) in infancy. They later had five more children. The two oldest reside with JW, and the three younger (including Kenny) were sent to stay with BW. The now 18 year-old came to stay with BV when he was around 8. (All the above is from the various family-member Facebook pages, most of which are now private).

What I definitely don't know is what role Child Protective Services played in any of this. According to one post, JW was scheduled to be in court this coming Tuesday in regard to custody of the three younger children, but I've also read (as has been posted here) that both parents missed their court dates.

Again, I dont how much of the above is fact and how much is fiction.
 
My wife-to-be and I attended the candlelight vigil at the school. I was pleased at the turn-out, not only by many members of the community but also many from surrounding areas, as well as a fairly large contingent of law enforcement officials. The question of "how can something like this happen" looms even larger for a small, quiet community such as this.

We've followed the story closely from the beginning, and the family ties in this tragedy are confusing to say the least. From what I have gleaned-and this is from a variety of sources, so feel free to correct me-the mother (CV) had five children from a previous marriage who were given over to the sister (BV) and later were all adopted out. This occurred some 11 years ago. Then she met JW, and in '05 they lost their first child (a son) in infancy. They later had five more children. The two oldest reside with JW, and the three younger (including Kenny) were sent to stay with BW. The now 18 year-old came to stay with BV when he was around 8. (All the above is from the various family-member Facebook pages, most of which are now private).

What I definitely don't know is what role Child Protective Services played in any of this. According to one post, JW was scheduled to be in court this coming Tuesday in regard to custody of the three younger children, but I've also read (as has been posted here) that both parents missed their court dates.

Again, I dont how much of the above is fact and how much is fiction.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience at the vigil. Very hard to understand how this frail little 'Spidey' died, I imagine even if everything about the relations were plain as day. I see so many people hurt by what happened to him, so hope that makes life better for the other kids in his family seems like the only thing left.
 
So, people with Bipolar Disorder should not be allowed around children without supervision? Because they can snap at any minute? I very strongly disagree with these statements and feel there's a pervasive need for education when it comes to mental health issues. This is a perfect example. I have 20 years experience as a mental health therapist and behavior analyst and can tell you that patients with psychiatric disorders are viewed unfairly as inherently dangerous. In TV's case, her impulsive aggression was most likely linked to her Bipolar Disorder, and probably a comorbid personality disorder as well and maybe drugs too, but to infer that people with Bipolar Disorder shouldn't be left alone with children is unfair, and unsupported by any data and peer reviewed research. Should people with OCD, depression, and ADHD also be required to be supervised around children?

RIP sweet, little man.

It is a shame that for one, we don't have better mental health care available and two like you said, there is a huge need for people to be educated on the effects of all mental illnesses. Bipolar in itself, does not automatically place the person in a category of being dangerous, there are many people in the world with bipolar who have never hurt anyone. I believe you need to look at the individuals current & past behavior around children, look at how they are able to care for themselves, history of violent of aggressive behavior, their maturity level and thing like that in order to decide if they are capable of taking care of a child.
 
http://news10.com/2014/12/23/custody-hearing-scheduled-for-kenny-whites-sisters/

It says in this article that Albany County accuses TV AND BV of abusing the girls. That's the first I heard about BV.

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I'm not at all surprised. The yellowish discoloration on the right side of Kenneth's head in that picture looks to me to be healing bruising and I said so at the beginning of this thread. I know kids bonk their heads off things all the time but that looks (to me) more like the left overs of someone hitting him. If that was in fact the case, there's every reason to suspect they abused the other kids as well.
 
I've looked, but haven't located why Kenneth was murdered? The cousin was bipolar...supposedly...but people diagnosed with that generally don't murder. I've read he was strangled, but have also read suffocated and beaten. So sad for this child and anyone who cared about him.
 
I've looked, but haven't located why Kenneth was murdered? The cousin was bipolar...supposedly...but people diagnosed with that generally don't murder. I've read he was strangled, but have also read suffocated and beaten. So sad for this child and anyone who cared about him.

Sheriff Apple said during the presser they have a motive but aren't releasing that information.

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http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/feat...heduled-kenneth-white-case-21886.shtml?wap=0&

Sisters will remain in foster care. Parents allowed supervised visits. Aunt BV not allowed visitation.

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"Albany County is accusing Tiffany VanAlstyne and her mother, Brenda, of abusing the girls, which is a civil charge. Both of them denied those accusations.

In court it was said that Brenda VanAlstyne has an untreated mental health condition that includes anxiety and PTSD. She was the legal guardian to Kenny and the two girls because the biological parents walked away, according to the court."

From your link.

BBM I don't understand what that means, a civil charge? (sorry being dense) And please don't tell me BV is using that excuse for herself too. I have a mental health condition that includes anxiety and PTSD. I do not have any children but believe me I am competent and caring and would never harm a fly, nor endanger anyone.
 
"Police confirm that dad was arrested in 2010 for endangering the welfare of a child" http://news10.com/2014/12/23/custody-hearing-scheduled-for-kenny-whites-sisters/

Has anyone looked up the court records for the father. Apple thinks it is not a good idea that they go back to him. I did check on the go fund me account and no one has donated any money as yet. If he can not afford a bigger apartment on his own how will he ever provide for them..I just don't understand. Give them up for adoption now while they still have a fighting chance to forget all the tragedy in they lives.
 
Has anyone looked up the court records for the father. Apple thinks it is not a good idea that they go back to him. I did check on the go fund me account and no one has donated any money as yet. If he can not afford a bigger apartment on his own how will he ever provide for them..I just don't understand. Give them up for adoption now while they still have a fighting chance to forget all the tragedy in they lives.

I looked him up on a link that was posted upthread - when we were trying to decipher how everyone was related & another VanAlstyne did - but his name didn't come up.

Maybe it is in another county. We need to widen the search I guess. :thinking:


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I looked him up on a link that was posted upthread - when we were trying to decipher how everyone was related & another VanAlstyne did - but his name didn't come up.

Maybe it is in another county. We need to widen the search I guess. :thinking:


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Amsterdam, NY is in Montgomery County.

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There's something very re-assuring about the news today about what Albany is doing with the children of this family. I hope it works out for little Kenny White's siblings as best possible. They will need so much TLC and the right kind of help to deal with their brother's murder and what got them there. They're so young.
 
"Albany County is accusing Tiffany VanAlstyne and her mother, Brenda, of abusing the girls, which is a civil charge. Both of them denied those accusations.

In court it was said that Brenda VanAlstyne has an untreated mental health condition that includes anxiety and PTSD. She was the legal guardian to Kenny and the two girls because the biological parents walked away, according to the court."

From your link.

BBM I don't understand what that means, a civil charge? (sorry being dense) And please don't tell me BV is using that excuse for herself too. I have a mental health condition that includes anxiety and PTSD. I do not have any children but believe me I am competent and caring and would never harm a fly, nor endanger anyone.

Civil charge vs criminal charge, but I'm not sure exactly what the difference is. In the disappearance of Christina Morris, Enrique Arochi is charged with Aggravated Kidnapping and it's filed as a civil case too.
 

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