NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

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Thinking about the girls leaving phones behind I realized this: even though the killer was able to convince the girls to leave their phones behind, there is still NO GUARANTEE that they wouldn't tell someone who they were going out with. The killer couldn't risk this. This leaves one conclusion:

THE GIRLS DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW WHO THEY WERE GOING TO SEE OR WHERE THEY WERE GOING

But why?
 
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@Sherlock: According to the Costello case, the client demanded, they left their cell phones back. But here's the rub: All we know about this details is from so-called boyfriends aka pimps. Now such a pimp, when the police comes to him can't just say: "May she did, may she didn't, I didn't care as long as I got my share." They had to say: "She didn't tell me!" because otherwise, they would may have involuntary confessed to be pimps.
And don't forget: Maureen deposited money at an atm after she visited the client and made even later phone calls. That proves (at least to me), she survived that visit. So, either you change the theory, it wasn't all the time the same client or this John isn't the killer.
 
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truthspider said:
he also had to declare bankruptcy in the past to settle a case out of court.
I think others, like me, would like to hear more about this lawsuit you keep mentioning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated that it was a malpractice lawsuit and that there was another too?

Just curious since according to the New York state department of health, the CPH who is the OD who resides in Oak Beach has a perfect stellar career without a single malpractice case on record.

I'm not questioning whether or not the law suits existed. I'm more concerned that they might be for bodily injury that was caused outside of the normal parameters of the medical field. For instance, if the bodily injury was sustained by the other party while being treated at some sort of unlicensed makeshift rehab facility run by the doc out of his home, such a lawsuit could likely bypass the standard reporting procedures for malpractice cases since the the injury was allegedly not caused by a traditional medical procedure.
 
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Thinking about the girls leaving phones behind I realized this: even though the killer was able to convince the girls to leave their phones behind, there is still NO GUARANTEE that they wouldn't tell someone who they were going out with. The killer couldn't risk this. This leaves one conclusion:

THE GIRLS DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW WHO THEY WERE GOING TO SEE OR WHERE THEY WERE GOING

But why?

Good thought. Maybe other girls do know but are scared to death of him. Did you watch the show "The Killing" on AMC, there was a guy that went by the name "Othello" that tried to kill a prostitute and a few people knew about it and all stayed the heck away. She wouldn't even divulge who "Othello" was to police. Obviously that's a TV show but it explains what I mean.
 
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I agree with this idea, or another; if someone was at the house, but now denies it, and says you can't prove I was there (it's my word against his, "drifter" vs. JB), so you can't say I was there or I will sue, and he has lawyer, guess what the police would be forced to do?

Not use his name.

I wonder if the "drifter" actually moved to Salt Lake City and MP moved to Georgia and someone at that news outlet got the info mixed up.
 
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I think the SK has a really nice car. A big money car. One that shows that he has a nice sum of money but isn't too flashy. Not like a Ferrari or a Maserati. Maybe a Porsche or maybe a Land Rover or something like that. Any thoughts on this?
 
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...Still want to believe that all of these bodies are the work of single serial killer(s) or can someone at least agree with me that it's remotely possible that they are being dumped by self-declared professional cleanup crews or "fixers"?
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Given that we simply don't know at this point, I certainly would not disagree with you Seaslug. Up here in Canada, we have the hunt on for the Edmonton serial killer(s?), and while the bodies of prostitutes have been found in and around the city, there is a dump site that seems to have been used in Fort Saskatchewan, east of the city.

So far, the only person convicted in any of the deaths is Tom Svekla, who (if one is to believe a killer) said in his interrogation that he was "just doing his job" and that "others are involved". Svekla had travelled 700 kms with Theresa Innes' body in a hockey bag, and was arrested at his sister's home in Fort Saskatchewan after she discovered the gruesome contents of the bag. Had Svekla NOT been arrested when he was, it is my belief that the Fort Saskatchewan dump site was his destination for Terry's remains.

I don't discount that organized crime could be disposing of prostitutes that are past their prime (young age in that business), who have ripped off johns or pimps, haven't paid their drug debts, etc. I do however question the wrapping in burlap, which IMO seems to denote the killer extending a "dignity" to the victims that I would not expect to see with OC.
 
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@Sherlock: According to the Costello case, the client demanded, they left their cell phones back. But here's the rub: All we know about this details is from so-called boyfriends aka pimps. Now such a pimp, when the police comes to him can't just say: "May she did, may she didn't, I didn't care as long as I got my share." They had to say: "She didn't tell me!" because otherwise, they would may have involuntary confessed to be pimps.
And don't forget: Maureen deposited money at an atm after she visited the client and made even later phone calls. That proves (at least to me), she survived that visit. So, either you change the theory, it wasn't all the time the same client or this John isn't the killer.

1. We don't know when Maureen deposited that money, or where it came from. I'm not sure why you keep insisting the money came from one specific client. There isn't one shred of evidence to support that.

2. I've seen interviews with ALC's room mate, DS. This guy was torn UP over her death. To the best of my knowledge, he was a friend and room mate who helped her do her work, not her pimp. But even if he was her pimp,I tend to believe the guy. JMO

3. The only girls who left their cell phones behind were Megan and Amber. Maureen had hers, and so did Melissa.
 
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I think the SK has a really nice car. A big money car. One that shows that he has a nice sum of money but isn't too flashy. Not like a Ferrari or a Maserati. Maybe a Porsche or maybe a Land Rover or something like that. Any thoughts on this?

I was thinking the exact same thing just yesterday. :)
 
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One last thing before I try to go back to bed.
We do NOT have a complete picture of the 10 individual bodies found on Ocean Parkway, and their corresponding body parts found elsewhere. In another thread, Seaslug pointed out a glaring mistake we'd made wrt the location of the toddler and her mother. I know I'm a pain about accuracy (can't help it), but can we all just stop a second, re-read the recent articles about the remains found, and try to get a clear, concise picture when it comes to this? Otherwise, you guys are going to have to put up with me constantly interjecting that something isn't right...and this could go on for a very long time. ;)
 
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I think others, like me, would like to hear more about this lawsuit you keep mentioning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated that it was a malpractice lawsuit and that there was another too?

Just curious since according to the New York state department of health, the CPH who is the OD who resides in Oak Beach has a perfect stellar career without a single malpractice case on record.

I'm not questioning whether or not the law suits existed. I'm more concerned that they might be for bodily injury that was caused outside of the normal parameters of the medical field. For instance, if the bodily injury was sustained by the other party while being treated at some sort of unlicensed makeshift rehab facility run by the doc out of his home, such a lawsuit could likely bypass the standard reporting procedures for malpractice cases since the the injury was allegedly not caused by a traditional medical procedure.

I have attached the 2 short order forms summarizing both cases to posts in the past, they should be easy enough to search for, if you cant find them, pm me your address and i will send them to you.

Since, I am not an attorney, I couldn't be certain of my interpretation of the documents. So, I sat down and read them over with my father who is currently a criminal defense attorney and a former Suffolk county DA homicide prosecutor (we have a deal of fun discussing this case). He told me that, it looks like CPH settled, so I don't believe there ever would have been anything on his DO record. Though, even if you don't settle and are found guilty, I believe the "record" only shows malpractice cases that occurred in last 7 or 10 years. The events he stood trial for occurred in 89 and 90-ish) and the trial was in 1999 and 2000 (good job CPH attorney). So his "record" would be clean now regardless. The expert witness physician in the case stated that CPH acts amounted to gross negligence.

The 2 events happened during his residency at Long Beach Hospital, when he was away from the hospital and on site as a physician/EMT. When you are in the field, and away from an actual hospital or emergency room, you are protected by the "good samaritan law" which makes it difficult for anyone to file malpractice suits against you, he still racked up 2. The law was specifically designed to protect doctors when you are 'away from a hospital' and trying to save someones life.


Regardless of conviction, the BIG takeaway from the 2 cases is this:

We now know he had a substance abuse problem himself that caused him to need rehab treatments for 3 years 88, 89, 90.


We know he settled the suit and paid up.

We know he declared bankruptcy.


We know that his actions were severe because the good samaritan law
couldn't even protect him.


We know that he misrepresented himself in court as an MD in the first trial, then properly identified himself as a DO in the second.


We know he lost the job at Long Beach hospital.

In case you don't know, almost any action that occurs between doctor and patient falls under "malpractice", including: molestation, rape, intentional physical abuse, or simply doing nothing to help someone and watching them slowly suffer or die.

Simply put, being found to have acted "grossly negligent" even when you are protected by the good Samaritan law is not common, it means the doctor did something very wrong. For this to happen to the same doctor twice, and both times against juveniles, means it was no accident.

I found the short order forms describing the cases shortly after CPH was in the news in April. We all know serial killers don't just wake up and murder people out of the blue, they have a track record, they do harmful things to people or animals and progress up to murder. I felt in April as I feel now, that these 2 incidents are important pieces of CPH's track record.
 
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the 3 docs are attached for your convenience.

Don't know how I missed this one document before, it specifies that one of the things being paid for from the victims trust is a wheelchair accessible van....

If this young victim lost the ability to walk due to CPH actions....HOLY $h1t.....
that isn't an accident! feeling sick right now..:sick:

I hope that this sick individual never gets a day in court, and that one of his victims family members or friends just feeds him a hot copper sandwich, its sickening
 

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Hey Truth, I just sent you a PM. I might have sent it twice accidentally, sry!
 
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1. We don't know when Maureen deposited that money, or where it came from. I'm not sure why you keep insisting the money came from one specific client. There isn't one shred of evidence to support that.

2. I've seen interviews with ALC's room mate, DS. This guy was torn UP over her death. To the best of my knowledge, he was a friend and room mate who helped her do her work, not her pimp. But even if he was her pimp,I tend to believe the guy. JMO

3. The only girls who left their cell phones behind were Megan and Amber. Maureen had hers, and so did Melissa.

1.) Logic dictates she did it afterwards. Unless the client has an ATM in his bed.

2.) Well, yes, so I do too. But humm
http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/threatsmadegilgobeachvictim-042111.html It appears, he did a little more than just help her with her business
And btw, Costello's roommate is David Schaller, not Terry who got the phone calls from "Mickey Mouse"

3.) Answer me an interesting question: Why only phone calls in the Melissa case?
 
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1.) Logic dictates she did it afterwards. Unless the client has an ATM in his bed.

2.) Well, yes, so I do too. But humm
http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/threatsmadegilgobeachvictim-042111.html It appears, he did a little more than just help her with her business
And btw, Costello's roommate is David Schaller, not Terry who got the phone calls from "Mickey Mouse"

3.) Answer me an interesting question: Why only phone calls in the Melissa case?

HI PB! I am not MK but someone tried to access Maureen's voice mail and the phone pinged in Massapequa. This was after she went missing but I'm not sure how long. Maybe MK can clear this up.

ALC and MW didn't take their cell phones per request of the, ahem, client.

HTH

wm
 
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HI PB! I am not MK but someone tried to access Maureen's voice mail and the phone pinged in Massapequa. This was after she went missing but I'm not sure how long. Maybe MK can clear this up.

ALC and MW didn't take their cell phones per request of the, ahem, client.

HTH

wm

WM, that is correct. Melissa's voicemail pinged in Massepequa the day she went missing, and subsequently her phone was traced to the Budget Inn and Best Western, dates are unknown.

ALC and MW did not have their phones when they left, and the throwaway phones registered to Mickey Mouse were used to call Johnny Terry. Dave Schaller was never called by the SK.
 
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1.) Logic dictates she did it afterwards. Unless the client has an ATM in his bed.

2.) Well, yes, so I do too. But humm
http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/threatsmadegilgobeachvictim-042111.html It appears, he did a little more than just help her with her business
And btw, Costello's roommate is David Schaller, not Terry who got the phone calls from "Mickey Mouse"

3.) Answer me an interesting question: Why only phone calls in the Melissa case?

I've been on this case for a VERY long time, Peter...I don't need you to set my facts straight.

As for your last question...couldn't tell ya. But I do know that he kept Maureen's phone for at least 6 months after she disappeared. So keeping the phones was important to him at some point. And then, he switched gears. I can only guess as to his reasons for that.
 
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HI PB! I am not MK but someone tried to access Maureen's voice mail and the phone pinged in Massapequa. This was after she went missing but I'm not sure how long. Maybe MK can clear this up.

ALC and MW didn't take their cell phones per request of the, ahem, client.

HTH

wm

Yes, that was later and Maureen was already abducted at that time. But since it was Maureen's phone, it's a pretty safe bet, it was the killer who tried it.

And right, as far as I can see, the client requested, they don't bring phones. That can have a lot of reasons, for example ringing phones are a mood breaker. But it doesn't prove, the client was the killer. We know in one case (Maureen), she was well and alive after she visited that client (or whatever you want to call him) because she deposited money at an atm and she was later robbed and called friends.
 
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Yes, that was later and Maureen was already abducted at that time. But since it was Maureen's phone, it's a pretty safe bet, it was the killer who tried it.

And right, as far as I can see, the client requested, they don't bring phones. That can have a lot of reasons, for example ringing phones are a mood breaker. But it doesn't prove, the client was the killer. We know in one case (Maureen), she was well and alive after she visited that client (or whatever you want to call him) because she deposited money at an atm and she was later robbed and called friends.

What about the idea that he was calling when he was drunk. So lets say he has an alcohol problem, where he is compulsive when drunk and makes the calls. After he sobers up, he realizes how much risk he put himself into and with the last 2 murders, he requested the girls leave their phones so he would not be tempted to call them when he is drunk.
 
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Yes, that was later and Maureen was already abducted at that time. But since it was Maureen's phone, it's a pretty safe bet, it was the killer who tried it.

And right, as far as I can see, the client requested, they don't bring phones. That can have a lot of reasons, for example ringing phones are a mood breaker. But it doesn't prove, the client was the killer. We know in one case (Maureen), she was well and alive after she visited that client (or whatever you want to call him) because she deposited money at an atm and she was later robbed and called friends.

You seem pretty convinced that it was one client who paid Maureen $900, and that she was alive after seeing that particular client. So...do YOU know something we don't know, Peter? If so, do tell.
 
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